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Champion Hurdle - Hurricane Fly
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dwn 767 this is a pure guess work and not based on fact
JP McManus bought Jezki because AP told him My Tent Or Yours wasn’t a Cheltenham horse jp mcmanus likes the family, as has bought jered and jenari from the owner/breeder...the reason he payed so much for jezki is because the owner/breeder said this was the best horse that had been produced by the mare, not that jered and jenari weren't decent sorts in there own right, but that jezki was on a different level hence mccmanus buying the horse for 500k nothing to do with my tent or yours, just that jezki is a top prospect in his own right and mccmanus's liking for the family |
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dwm...thats the bad thing about NH racing. Very little festivals with one big one in March. On the flat there are big festivals month in month out
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I actually like the fact that it all gears towards Cheltenham. It's something to look forward to all year; there's no flat meeting that compares. It also leaves us with far more time to debate about it. We'd have far less excuse for these pointless discussions if it wasnt for the Festival
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What would we do with our lives? :p
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Harry Callaghan, sorry, you're wrong.
I'm not contesting JP likes the family, but he bought Jezki at the time he did because at that point, My Tent Or Yours wasn't being considered for the Supreme Novice Hurdle. I know for a fact the Henderson yard have never considered My Tent Or Yours to be a Cheltenham horse - he's a flat bred, speed type, suited to flat, speed tracks. |
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Sunday is massive for Hurricane Fly, because if he doesn't win I don't believe he can win the Champion Hurdle. I'd suggest he's a little further forward than he has been previous years at this stage given the quality of the opposition he's had to face.
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Dwn. I agree the season is not all about Cheltenham, but for the fly I believe it is. He has proven to be an exceptional racehorse so his main target is to stamp his legacy by winning a 3rd champion hurdle. Yes there are other grade 1's to win and he will win them, but his main target is the champion.
Your theory on JP buying Jezki because McCoy thinks My Tent Or Yours can not win at Cheltenham is surely pure guess work!!! Unless you know tony personally of course? |
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It's possible that MTOY may not be at his best at Cheltenham, but I don't think we've seen enough to be sure of that yet, and he was backed well enough there last year. He also drifted at Kempton, which suggests to me that connections probably didn't think he was fully wound up.
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So Willie Mullins and Nicky Henderson are plundering the winter prizes while Jessica Harrington, Dessie Hughes and Nigel Twiston-Davies peak their horses for the spring festivals. Sounds right!
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Barnesy
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Let me clarify my points here...
1) My Tent Or Yours & Hurricane Fly are taking a punt at the Champion Hurdle; The New One, Jezki & Our Conor are investing their season's in the one race. 2) My Tent Or Yours was trained for the Christmas Hurdle; that was his seasonal target, mission accomplished, anything else is a bonus. 3) Hurricane Fly is ahead of Jezki & Our Conor as regards condition; the latter pair will not peak until March 11th. I'll leave this alone now; just making the point for consideration that you might not want to take everything you've seen and heard to date on face value. I wouldn't be surprised if Our Conor repeats his Triumph Hurdle feat and wins going away on the bridle, I wouldn't be surprised if Jezki outstays them all to the line given a more prominent ride, and I wouldn't be surprised if The New One emulates Rooster Booster, cruises through the race and leaves them for dead jumping the last. I would be surprised if Hurricane Fly wins, and I would be even more surprised if My Tent Or Yours wins. Best of luck. |
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Absolutely bonkers theory!! MTOY's main target as Xmas hurdle - wow
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I have to agree. The only sane part of that argument is that Jezki and Our Conor are being trained to peak in the spring. Anybody who doesn't think that The Fly is being aimed to join the immortals with a third champion is out of his mind. Similarly with the Tent. If connections were giving serious consideration to going chasing this season then there's only one race which would make such a calculation logical.
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I think it's likely that Jezki was the fittest of the three principles in the Ryanair Hurdle. He had two runs under his belt and isn't a big gross horse. Mullins has said the Fly wasn't at 100%, and given that he was blatantly well below peak fitness in the Morgiana I'd be inclined to believe that there's more to work on. It was basically Our Conor's first run of the season and he was probably the least ready of the three.
In the Christmas Hurdle I'd strongly disagree with dwm. The New One had had two previous runs, one of which was less than two weeks before Kempton. I very much doubt he was lacking for fitness. My Tent Or Yours is a bigger type of animal, harder to get fit I would think, and also was having just his second run. |
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imo the tent was trained specifically for the xmas hurdle, whereas TNO went there as an afterthought, he was trained to win the bula
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dwm are you saying that Hurricane Fly is not being trained to peak for one race, the Champion Hurdle? That MTOY was trained to peak for the Christmas Hurdle!!?
I believe TNO given the lowly connections is out to pick up as many good races as possible and collect important prize money. While Jezki had 2 runs before xmas to be fit as he could be to lower Hurricane Fly's colours. To say I disagree with your opinion would be understating it. I hold a completely contrary opinion. That idea that Hurricane Fly would not be trained to peak at exactly one race, his bid for a 3rd Champion Hurdle is - in my view and likely the view of the majority of people - quite proposterous. |
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I think in 21 years of following this great game, that statement from dwn is one if the worst I've read/heard.
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Darn phone. Of of of
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Agree.
I am still getting over "the fly hasn't shown his best form at cheltenham to date" walofs |
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Don't disagree with that part Jasey, I think you could put together a rock solid case to support that claim.
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I completely agree with that barnesy. To me it's pretty clear that he hasn't shown his best form at Cheltenham.
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Even Ruby has said Fly hasn't shown his best at Cheltenham. But I don't worry about it too much, first year he was beyond keen as the pace wasn't that fast. The next year he was a sick horse all season. So it leaves last year where I think he went to sleep too much and had to be woken up earlier to not let them get too much of a lead. But Fly was cantering all over them coming to 2 out and he won it well.
He gets to run so often in Ireland we get to forget his less than impressive performances and just remember his two awesome wins at Punchestown in April. |
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Well his record suggests otherwise
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Disagree Jasey. When he is bang on in Ireland he laughs at them. At Cheltenham his record is all out to beat Peddlers, out with the washing behind Rock On Ruby and scrubbed along behind the same horse until the suicidal early pace played into his hands. In no way does his Cheltenham form represent his best.
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I disagree there, Fly won very well last year. He was cantering all over them coming to 2 out and was in front miles too soon. People are tying to see him being shaken up early as a sign he was in trouble. If he was in trouble he wouldn't have been back on the bit coming to 2 out even after he had to jink to avoid Grandouet after he fell. In 2011 he was far too keen and pulled hard, 2012 I maintain he wasn't himself, anyone who honestly believes Overturn is a better horse well....
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Horses aren't machines and don't simply bend to the whims of owners or trainers. My view is that the course at Cheltenham or the travelling don't quite agree with The Fly and he isn't quite as good there as he is in Ireland. Which as I've said before simply proves how great the horse is.
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WILLIE MULLINS revealed on Friday that Hurricane Fly suffered a bruised foot during the week but will line-up for the BHP Insurance Irish Champion Hurdle on Sunday, when he will attempt to win the Leopardstown event for the fourth consecutive year.
Mullins said: "Hurricane Fly gave us a scare during the week. One of his bits of work was well below what he usually shows us on the gallops. He disappointed me and his regular work rider Paul Townend and it transpired later that evening that he had bruised a foot. "We discovered the bruise when we took him out for a walk. Our blacksmith removed the shoe and we poulticed the foot overnight. "Hurricane Fly was fine the following morning and has been fine since. We're happy to let him line-up on Sunday and, hopefully, what happened during the week won't have a detrimental effect on his chance of winning the race and retaining his unbeaten record at Leopardstown." |
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Mullins getting excuses ready for when jezki turns the tables
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Big Bucks 6/5 & Hurricane Fly 4/6ish this weekend!! treat them prices like they deserve to be treated! smash there back doors in!!!!!
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Think Lads are gonna go 6/4 Big Bucks I hear !!
Will have to back both in a double. Think this track and the sharper inner course the use on Sunday suits Fly more than any other. |
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Ladbrokes?they will lay me 24.37 on that double CV....
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