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I was surprised they just let Ruby dictate the pace CV. It's his biggest asset as a jockey IMO. I appreciate it's easier when you're on the best horse, but he made the win on Faugheen and UDS look slightly easier than they actually were IMO.
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I'd possibly give a mention to l'Ami Serge as well WC. Think we haven't seen the best of him by a long way, and he didn't get the best of runs in the Supreme. Think he could improve and improve and at least be a contender. If NJH can get the yard back to its brilliant best.
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I think it's clear to see that Faugheen is always going to attract criticism. Firstly, it was that he hadn't beaten anything and had only beaten trees. Now here he is a Champion Hurdle winner and it was gifted to him after Ruby was allowed to dictate the pace. Have a day off, he's a machine and a very profitable one at that! I wonder if Nigel Twiston Davies has tried renaming his horse to "The Nearly One" yet? Shame.
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Faugheen, Arctic Fire, Peace and Co, Hargam. It's between those imv. Top Notch would find likely decent ground on the old Course too sharp.
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Cant Catch I did not see him up closely on the way back in but he did a circuit and a half of the parade ring afterwards and the lad had difficulty holding him the whole way around.
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I agree CCM, they let Ruby have the run of the race and were not going to really have a great chance if they did that. It was a bit complacent by his rivals. NTD is so full of sh1t I'm not surprised he didn't worry about tactics he thought his horse was a world beater. But JP knows racing and he should have sacraficed Kitten Rock or put in a pace maker.
Un De Sceaux won with a lot more in hand than people think. Mullins has managed to train the horse to settle better now as he has a big turn of foot he doesn't need to burn them off, just set a good gallop and quicken. Which he did. He has utterly no rivals for the Champion Chase. Douvan is 100% going for the Arkle next season. |
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Totally agree about Douvan going the Arkle next season! The only reason Vautour wasn't in the Arkle this year was down to UDS. There's no UDS lurking about this year. Realistically the only other option for Douvan would be Champion Hurdle but let's face it, Faugheen will be back to defend his title!
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It baffles me how the commentators and others after the race said that they made it easier for Ruby to beat them, while they ignored the fact that he was riding a 3 mile point to pointer. One who knows his racing would say they made it harder for Faugheen to beat them or they maximized their chances because a horse with his profile would normally get outpaced by the top 2 milers with a speedy finish in them. Of course Faugheen as most know from his Ascot reappearance, has a devastating turn of foot as well but the others counted on the fact that their horses will be alot faster at the end, look what NTD said just before the race:"Faugheen looks a grinder, and our horse has the best turn of foot" which is probably what JP thought of Faugheen as well and they hoped they'll catch him right before 3 out which is what McCoy tried but couldn't and instead hindered his own chances in doing so, same with TNO.
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Calling Faugheen a grinder, NTD basically decided he wasn't going to pay attention to anyone elses horses and just go on spounting utter nonsense about how his own horses are absolute world beaters. It was clear from Kempton that Faugheen has a turn of foot, while Ruby has a superb record in making the running on horses. So to give him the run of the race where he could ride the tactics he wanted was a bad decision by JP imv.
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If we go back in past without knowing the outcome then their line of thinking was correct, in that they thought Faugheen needs further and over 2 miles he needs a strong gallop to see him at his best(which was consequently confirmed by Timeform as he only posted 170+ as opposed to 171+ on Boxing day when the pace was very strong) but doesn't have a powerfull turn of foot like their horses and they knew he was a frontrunner in other races and that its their best chance of catching him late on.
So IMHO they did everything right as you'll never see Arctic Fire finish so close to Faugheen in a strongly run race, it only happened because Faugheen had his first battle with Jezki from 3 out, then used another pack of energy to recover the lost momentum after he blundered 2 out, while Ruby also admitted today that he "only rode Faugheen out to the line, I didn't really get stuck in" and that can be seen as he didn't gave him any smacks in the last 200 yards. Their best chance was catching him for the turn of foot which was what the other jockeys tried to do but because they failed everyone started to say in hindsight that he got it easy out in front. They just need more time to sink in that: if the other jockeys had given Faugheen a stronger pace he would've beat them even further and produce a higher rating than what he achieved on the day. |
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It was fascinating how Walsh rode Faugheen but I also think it gives hope to his challengers next year because I think the tactics perhaps show the concern that they themselves had about his jumping.
As timtin says above, on the face of it the tactics should have made it harder for a horse that stays 3 miles to a win a CH when having to rely on his pace at the end of the race, but I think that prospect was still less of a worry than making him go faster through the race as the concern over his jumping was too great. Now, if we actually look what happened during the race it actually bears this concern out as through the early and middle parts of the race with no pressure applied to Faugheen he jumped ok but when they got to the business end of the race at the 3rd last when Walsh first starts to ask him he makes a slight mistake and then at the 2nd last when jexki is right upsides him and they are really motoring he makes another worse mistake, however, as he's such a good horse and as he hadn't suffered earlier on in the race he was able to recover and get away from them and win. On reflection it is reasonable to think that the unusual tactics were borne out of a concern about his jumping and the evidence from the race itself showed that when asked to race properly with horses pressuring him there is a flaw present. In next years race I would be amazed if there isn't something forcing the pace hard from the word go putting extra pressure on him at each and every flight. |
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The race could have been run in any shape or form and the result would have been the same,an easy win,ccm,I got right beside the horse last year after they came out of the winners circle into the yard and he looked absolutely shagged !
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Mullins said "He probably won't jump a fence. When you've got a good hurdler like this there's no reason to go novice chasing."
I think he's making a huge mistake treating him as one trick pony, he was novice champion, he's now champion hurdler, whats more to prove? they should now go chasing and prove his versatility over the bigger obstacles, and he stays so Gold Cup could be an option. It seems a better strategy to keep Douvan and Arctic Fire(both young and improving) and also Annie Power for the CH but at the same time target the GC with everything he has available: Vautour, Don Poli, Djakadam and Faugheen. If Djakadam fails there's Don Poli, if DP fails theres Vautour and if VT fails theres Faugheen. When you have such a good pool of horses you should have backup over backups especially for the Gold Cup. Cheltenham broke the first day attendance record this year but if Faugheen goes chasing they'll break the last day record because all racing fans will want to see him facing new challenges and getting tested in different ways instead of seeing him do the same thing over the same trip. Mullins admitted he tried to get Faugheen beaten and he can try to do it by getting him over fences where the failure chances will increase alot more than over hurdles. |
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Like Mullins says, no need.
Ricci has other horses to go chasing with. |
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2 miles hurldes, again ? boring... fences? stamina for GC? possible failure? much more exciting!! I hope Ricci and Mullins will change their minds and make us a big surprise for the new season!
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I dont agree with you at all Tim he has 3 good young chasers to go to war with and the CH is the 2nd most important race at the festival. He also has Douvan and a number of other young chasers.
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Ruby knew that the only way UDS could get beaten was to fall or hit one - almost won the race in a canter
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I reckon Faugheen will sleep easily in his bed tonight.
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Yes home in detriment of horse racing.. When you have a horse of this nature the attendance will rise considerably, the papers will put racing in spotlight and the racing fans get to see another great battle.. instead we have Faugheen home watching grass grow.. now Mullins is in love with him after he gave him 3 hard races in a month's period before the Neptune..
He can handle racing in short space of time, he proved it already, he's not a stallion so why keep him home... why keep him over hurdles when he already proved what he can do over them.. put him over fences and make racing more popular to the masses, as even if he gets beat the media will love the story and we will all want to see him try something new.. do anything but don't keep him home if he's fit and ready for racing.. |
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You may have misunderstood my post Tim in that we saw nothing yesterday which would suggest that Faugheens crown as champion hurdle was in danger. Dont worry you'll see him at Punchestown in a couple of weeks and none of yesterdays field will be there. I would imagnine WM knows a bit about what a horse can or cant do - a lot more than you and I.
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* hurdler
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He done it with the fly he will now do the same with Faugheen. Run in the same small field races time and time again beating the same horses. I agree with you timtim though in terms of what the racing public want to see, it's versatility in terms of tracks, distances and if you added a different discipline in chasing to the mix, then he could go down as an all time great. Considering that he was initially always destined to go chasing, it's a bit disappointing but having said that I can see Mullins viewpoint with so much ammunition elsewhere. However I'd like to see him at least take in different races like the Aintree Hurdle (different track and distance) rather than simply run round Leopardstown for the next few years.
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It's got nothing to do with what Mullins has. It's what Ricci has.
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He has the opportunity to win the Gold Cup and Champion hurdle next year. Why wouldn't you!!!!!!!!!
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thank you @trigger3, finally someone who understands where I'm getting at. With a good horse like this you need to think of the greater good and bring racing into public attention. RR has enough money, if he wants to do jumps racing the biggest favour would be to promote Faugheen over different obstacles, distances and tracks, doing a one trick pony is not helping anyone but his trainer & jockey...
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Ironically enough Mullins mustn't have have seen him as a CH horse to begin with and in all likelihood he probably seen him as a potential GC horse for the future, otherwise I'm fairly sure he wouldn't have run him in a 3m hurdle race on heavy ground early in his career. Vautour will be given the chance to prove his greatness next season if campaigned over the GC distance and if he proves a success then he will become the poster horse of NH racing. Faugheen may well have the same potential but I guess we won't find out. Nothing wrong with favouring the romantic view over that of the pragmatist.
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re Faugheen - "doing a one trick pony".
Tim I've seen it all here on the forum now! |
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Poor Faugheen - Willie says he's like two planks clamped together.
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He never had anything good to say about the horse. He's currently hyping Vautour so much that makes you believe he's the one unbeaten so I don't think he'll ever give Faugheen the chance to go over fences and we'll see the next year CH with only 3-4 horses in it, next week at Punchestown we'll have a walkover so IF Mullins wants to do racing any good he should start testing Faugheen over fences, over Gold Cup distance and at different tracks.
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What a shambles we could have at Punchestown next week if the PCH is a 2 horse affair between Faugheen & AF. Mullins might as well just run them round the gallops at home and tell us who is the stronger horse.
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I hope that Mullins sends Douvan down the Champion Hurdle route, he is good enough to win a champion hurdle if given the opportunity to do so. I'd then like to see Mullins sending Faugheen chasing this season. He has done all he can hurdling having won on differing grounds, different tracks and over different distances. There is no fun in running in small fields beating the same horses over and over again which is likely what he will be asked to do next season (similar to Hurricane Fly). He has no credible challenegers left in the 2m hurdling division and has nothing left to prove. Alternatively he will have the opportunity to become a super horse if he goes chasing and is still young enough.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8a3stI_s8s
Brian Gleeson: "Dad says the only horse who might, might get close to him is in the same colours, Douvan" Ruby Walsh: "I'd say Vautour, but he'd never have to get to him" Chasing career looks over, the dream is dead. Mullins doesn't realizes how good he would do to racing if he sends Faugheen chasing. He never will. For him is only about covering all the basis, is not about horse racing breaking into the wide cultures with these rare athletes. Faugheen is a big story already, imagine if he'll point him to Gold Cup, the public will be fascinated by the story. Right now, even the most passionate racing fans are getting bored seeing Faugheen doing the same thing over and over again, especially since he's winning his races by 5-10 lengths so its a no contest and they need to change the tests but of course that won't happen, they'll keep doing the same one trick pony until everyone gets bored of it. |
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Mullins is a farmer. Case in point Annie Power once again running in a mares race. It's an insult to her. She is so much more.
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Like I said. A farmer. Mullins has no interest in the welfare of the game or contributing to its enjoyment for the people who plough the money into the game. He just wants to farm as many decent races as he can and places his horses accordingly. So we get this nonsense. Punchestown is usually one of my favorite festivals of the year but I haven't watched a race this year because I could see what was coming a mile off.
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That s a bit of a contradiction in terms EO. Rich Ricci is one of those people who plough money into the game and he is more than happy to see Annie Power dominating her sex. Especially as he has runners in most of the other races you want to see AP running in.
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He as on record last year as stating that AP was going chasing but that she had been kept hurdling to have a go at the Champion Hurdle.
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Somehow they found Faugheen's first win over PTP fences, in a bad quality but here it is: http://www.p2ptv.ie/?tube=1021
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Faugheen kept over hurdles, not surprising having so many good ones in chasing department but will any of those win him the Gold Cup? Or has Mullins missed the boat with sending Faugheen novice chasing?
http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/article/2/10025999/faugheen-returns-to-action-at-punchestown |
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Absolutely nowt wrong with winning the CH again. Also Djakadam came close last time,can see him going real close again in the gold cup.
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and he has don poli who some think is a big player in the gold cup,maybe Mullins thinks that as well.
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