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^^^ Said was Vautour was better
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Great isn't it EO. I am NH all the way and start to get a bit twitchy round about now each year, desperate for the jumps to start.
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He smashed and fiddled his way over 3 of the last 4 hurdles in the Neptune and skied the last. On that evidence, I would say he doesn't hurdle well at all. In my opinion as well the best hurdlers are fairly accurate hurdlers from day one. I admit I have not seen the Punchestown race, maybe he improved there.
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I can't see Annie Power being aimed at the Mares. Mullins has umpteen smart mares he could aim at that, e.g. Glens Melody, Upsie, Adriana Des Mottes, Urticaire and probably a few more.
Annie Power's future as they have always said is over fences. I'd say she'll be running in novice chases before long. Un De Sceaux will probably be campaigned like Champion Hurdler early in the season and he'll be asked to race in a lot bigger races this season compared to last. Faugheen might take this route too if sticking to hurdles but I'll be opposing him if he does. Don't forget Mullins has Pont Alexandre and Un Atout to come back from injury. The likes of Valseur Lido, Rathvinden and Wicklow Brave, these are potential novice chasers (1 or 2 will run in the Irish Grade 1 hurdles in my opinion too). |
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I've always been a punter rather than an owner Howdi but I'd have to say that the trainers responsibility is to his owner. My enjoyment is in analysing the various strands of evidence and I'm afraid I rarely listen to anything a trainer says. In fact I rather take the Paxman line of asking myself why this lying baastard is lying to me. It works far more often than it doesn't. I had a good look at those races post Cheltenham and I was convinced Faugheen was the better horse at any distance with Vautour the better jumper. When Mullins was quite clear that in his mind that Vautour was better it reinforced my view that I was right.
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As for Annie Power I just think she got outstayed by a very high class horse in More Of That. She's perfectly capable of winning the stayers if he goes chasing and if he stays hurdling it wouldn't surprise me to see them go novice chasing with her this year. I still think she's a very special mare and I think she'll have learned plenty from Cheltenham this year.
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^^ post post i still think Vautour is a hoss and a half at cheltenham fairly pissed up
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Must admit I was more of a Briar hill fan than faugheen last year but standing near the finishing line at Cheltenham I said to my mate this is a special horse,and the way faugheen travelled over 2 mile next time jumping better reaffirmed my thoughts that nothing will get near him in the church,not even jezki what I backed last year,you should always go with your own eyes..this horse will win the champion hurdle in March !
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Champion sorry
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So in summary you backed last years winner and are confident of doing the same this year.
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Yes,faugheen to beat jezki,the new one in third,every hurdle flattened off the 1st 3,excited already !
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What about backing all of the above horses at 6-1 on here. About 11-8 that one of them wins I think come the day the 11-8 will look rather good value, as I can't see any one else winning. |
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It's a good point if you can get 6s about all 3,Vatour,mtoy,that handicapper un de sceux will be arkle bound,nowt else to be bothered about !
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^^^^ agree.
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Last season was some waste if they decide to send Un De Sceaux over fences now
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I can't believe Faugheen can win a CH with his poor technique, I don't believe the notion that the faster they go the better he'll be, people always say that type of thing, he'll "respect" them more or more pace will aid his technique.
If he has poor technique then the quicker they go will make it worse because he will have less time to sort himself out and the mistakes will cost him ground at every hurdle....from a purist point of view I don't want to see a horse be able to disregard the most fundamenttal aspect of the task at hand and still succeeed in a hurdling speed test...and I haven't seen it happen yet. |
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It didn't run through every hurdle at Cheltenham and jumped fine at punchestown,dont think the rest of the challengers are the best of jumpers !
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Going to be fascinating what Pont Alexandre comes back like, remember, before all these latest superstars came along from Mullins...he was supposed to have the raqcing world at his feet, Walsh was even telling Nicholl's not to even bother running one in the Neptune as it was a waste of time....we'll have to see what happens this season with him.
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SoYouThink • September 14, 2014 10:40 PM BST
Last season was some waste if they decide to send Un De Sceaux over fences now GOOD POST. SPOT ON. |
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Blimey lads, you lot will all be knackered by next March!!
By the way, I also think that is spot on. Anyone think those races in France were a prep for chasing.....bigger hurdles. Just a thought. Hope not, I still want to see him trailblazing a Churdle field. Be some sight I reckon. |
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Six reasons why Faugheen should be laid for the Champion hurdle at 9/2.
1. He may well not aim for the race. 2. He won a point to point over three miles. Has any horse ever done that and then won a Champion? 3. He also won a heavy ground 3 mile hurdle; extraordinary to also have the speed to win a Champion. 4. He's only managed six runs as he nears the age of seven. He may well not be the most robust. 5. His only attempt at two miles led to him routing the field at Punchestown. However, the time of the race was identical to that recorded in the handicap hurdle by a 123 rated horse half an hour later. To suggest that that performance established Champion Hurdle claims has some merit, but to become a short priced favourite? 6. Widely discussed above, he's not the most fluent jumper of hurdles we've see. Wonderful horse; possibly a legendary one in the making but his current price must be laid and laid and laid. |
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Ruby was patting his neck with half a furlong to go at punchestown,he will be aimed at the race,winners of the Neptune normally run well in ch,doesn't look as though he lacks speed,6-4 shot come March.back.back back
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Spot on Cyclops
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5. His only attempt at two miles led to him routing the field at Punchestown. However, the time of the race was identical to that recorded in the handicap hurdle by a 123 rated horse half an hour later. To suggest that that performance established Champion Hurdle claims has some merit, but to become a short priced favourite? His time may have been the same but he was carrying 15lbs more than the Henderson horse. On level weights he would have beaten him 15 lengths/ 4 secs. Plus like Carlisle says he came home in his home time the final furlong. Your other points are good though. |
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3. He also won a heavy ground 3 mile hurdle; extraordinary to also have the speed to win a Champion.
Very bad placing by the trainer |
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brandyontherocks - fair enough but the second horse in that handicap was only beaten two lengths and carried only two pounds less than Faugheen. Not using this as conclusive, but to have the field stone dead into the straight, while posting an unexceptional time did indicate to me that this was not a great race.
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Thank you to Mr Ricci for what will be a great nights sleep tonight after hearing the words "Faugheen stays hurdling". Faugheen the Machine is your Champion Hurdle 2015 winner!
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But could be the world hurdle, but surely briar hill goes there (even though it ain't ricci's). Vautour can't win a champion hurdle he has Arkle written all over him surely? Really really hope faugheen goes champion hurdle!!
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Only really leaves Champion Hurdle and World Hurdle on the agenda for Faugheen now, but I agree that Briar Hill is the likeliest World Hurdle contender. I'm still fascinated to see just how good Briar Hill is. Listened to a lot of preview nights and one in particular with Patrick Mullins was very informative. He described the horse as an Aston Martin, one of his favourite horses to ride. Said the horse shows absolutely nothing at home and is lazy in the way he goes about his work but says even though he always just about seems to get the job done when he races, there's always so much more left in the tank! I for one was gutted he fell in the Albert Bartlett last year, needed him for a few ante post doubles and trebles and wanted to find out if he was all that they made him out to be! Looking like another long winter wait for the answer but the way he flew up that Cheltenham hill to win the Champion Bumper was very impressive!
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Vautour can't win a champion hurdle
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Theres a bombshell on the way
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Please don't say it's injured or running in the world hurdle
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Bombshell on the way? Are you referring to Paddy Power's prices or something else?
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Brilliant Childofmine....if you know something why not just say? Hopefully not out for the season
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I dont know anything but ive heard a rumour that Vautour might be staying over hurdles. Whatever that means for Faugheen I don't know.
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Would guess it means him going for the World Hurdle :( It's a real shame, Vautour looks a chaser in the making but I'm guessing they will have been schooled over fences by now so possibly Vautour has struggled
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I'm sure ricci said the other day that they hadn't schooled him yet which I find hard to believe,also faugheen won't beat more of that over 3 mile !
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Vautour staying hurdling so World Hurdle now an option for Faugheen.
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Is that your opinion or has something been announced?
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Nothing announced as of yet. If it had been Vautour wouldn't be trading at 8/1 for the Arkle
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