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How come they are shorter in the shops? 33/1 according to my internet screen. Looking at last year's race and my belief that the newbies won't really get into the picture I agree that its quite a big price on Bino. Excellent record at Cheltenham and a nice saver in case of a raft of injuries. In the last few years at least two of the big guns have exited before the big day.
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I have no idea why they are. Pretty puzzled. But they are!
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gut feeling right now is HF or Zark,but i do think ROR Is a nice price and he wont be far away,hes tailor made for a CHurdle as already shown,jumps travels well and stays very well.
They would be my 3 against the field with Bino the dark horse that could on his day shake them up. Have bino and ROR backed,looks like one of the other 2 on the day. |
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But i did relieve them of some 10/1 ROCK ON RUBY
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@Seathestars NO1, not great business from them. As sponsors they should be nearly top price everything. Are you restricted online? The price element is pretty tasty considering there are a number of horses in the market who will likely have other targets. Oscar Whiskey, Peddlers may have other targets, Grumeti we haven't seen yet. I can see 7 horses plus Bino as CH certainties should they make it. If one or two of those drop out its a big price.
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Bino wont be allowed to go off at 33s if he lines up. I think he went from 10s to 4s in week leading up to cheltenham last year great traDE
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sorry,forgot about the soft ground factor,that brings in Oscar,think he would win the race if it were heavy.
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Agree fallen, am not restricted online but prefer my antepost to be cash bets. I may well take 33s online yet however i may well have a little bit on at 37s on here too and look at the trade later on as cant see him winning it as per the rule, horses do not often regain championship races. But a trade at 37 back, say 10 - 11 lay would look very nice wouldn't it
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BINO ENTEREED IN A VOVICE CHAE NEXT THURSDAY
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CV BYRNE-missed RTE's coverage this week,what did JP say about Darlan??
He obviously has the potential to be anything and was very impressive at Aintree last year but there is a sharp contrast with a sprint at Kempton and the champion at festival . |
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Only joking nail the 33s and trade off
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indeed it would,he runs,hes shorter.
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I've just watched last year's CH again and I am of the opinion that last year's race was a top class affair. There were a couple of leaps where HF didn't wing them like he did yesterday and I still feel that Ruby walsh should have rode slightly closer to the pace. Both him and Bino were too far back and made up as much ground as they could considering the ground. The horse that scares the life out of me is Zarkandar, he made up about 10L coming up the hill and think in soft and a bit older he is a monster player.
The only concern with the form of last year would be the proximity of Overturn who finished way behind HF in 2011. It may have been that the faster surface saw him to much greater effect as all his big wins have come on Good or Good to firm ground. I am hoping that all the supreme horses stay in because there will be plenty of horses that you can take them on with in the place market come March. |
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Had thought about throwing £20 away tbh and speculating on a few of them at 100+ in the market, if any of them were to even grace us with a potential reappearance their prices would tumble!
BINOC GRUMETI STEPS TO FREEDOM GALILEOS CHOICE SPIRIT SON Dunno of any others. What would you put up as potentially surprising us with an appearance in the champion hdl? |
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pearl swan was the one i was looking out for.
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Spirit soon
we may never know how good he could have been, that form of his novice campaign just continues to get stronger and stronger (beat the future champion hurdler by 16L as a novice and the paddypower chase winner only beat him 2L with a certain sprinter scare behind in 3rd) . Has there been any news? |
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spirit son*
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I have no idea, above is JUST GUESS WORK !
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spirit son career is sadly looking to be over
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Arklearkle, they all came over once for Punchestown and Fly thumped them into oblivion. Nobody want's to waste their time again.
Sorry which race was this? |
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The race he's alluding to was the Punchestown Champion Hurdle, the year he won the Cheltenham one, when Menorah and Binocular (both still highly rated at the time) came over and HF trounced them on the bridle.
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@howdi, a real shame if so.
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Yes he nearly died. Had a rare spinal condition I think and couldn't get up. Everything was done to keep him alive and pleased to say he's walking again and looks great in a few photos I saw. I don't think you will see him race again though very sad.
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such a shame for connections as they really did have a horse of a lifetime but at least he is okay. Thanks for the update
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Thanks for the update MM.
It would be nice if trainers could update every now and then on the condition of their injured horses. I think Bino is a good price at 33's ew, but I'm going to wait and see if he faces the Fly before hand. I can see the Fly beating him, so I can't see his price getting any shorter. |
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And DARLAN i fear should not be snubbed lightly! That performance the other day showing he can come off a slow pace on boggy ground was top class as he also already has shown he can come off a strong pace on good ish ground in that race he tipped up in at Newbury (totesport) and the supreme last season!
Have backed at 9/2, happy with that price and think at this stage he defo sets a good standard! Ok, the fly been there and done it, and will be very hard to beat if in the same form as the year in which he won it! |
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Darlan has never been in a fast run race. That Betfair Hurdle at Newbury they went slow. The Supreme was also slow, while his Christmas Hurdle win was a farce. Darlan also doesn't hurdle very well. He'll be a quality chaser, just not a top class hurdler.
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2nd run will help me with Darlan
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Will it though? He'll run at 1/5 in a race up at Kelso or something.
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yeh,i have a feeling we wont find anything out till the CH.
Hes currently same price as HF,i know which one i would rather be on out of those 2,and it aint Darlan. |
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anything else out i meant to say
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I dunno, just a niggling feeling the fly wont be winning the CH but Darlan might as the fly has won and lost a CH, Darlan has never run in one before and so just on that (ludicrous if you want) reasoning am happier with my 9/2 Darlan than i am my 11/2 the fly as not very often that a horse regains a championship race is it
Of all the horses taking part in a championship race, unless it is the reigning champ, much rather be siding with an up and coming potential star than one thats been there, done it, then lost it again no matter what excuses there may well be!Kauto Star's 2nd gold cup was one amazing race though ![]() |
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I've a strongly held belief that Scopey Chaser types lack the hurdling fluidity and speed to win the Champion Hurdle. Darlan is a lovely horse, but he's a chaser and will go into the Champion Hurdle without ever having tested himself against any top quality 2 mile hurdler like the other 4 at the head of the betting.
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each tom their own STS,after all Darlan may prove to be the best bet out the 2,but right now their aint anything ive seen of him that puts him in the same class as HF at his best,which from what i saw the other day is pretty likely imo.
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I am strongly looking to side with GRANDOUET for the CH tbh chaps and think possibly he may well carry my 'jackpot' bet for the race though am not backing him yet at his current odds of just 7/1. As you all no i never just let a race like this run with one or two bets lol i like to stake carefully and build a book on what i believe are the most likely winners.
Though at this stage and before they have run again, ZARKANDER, CINDERS, and possibly ROR may replace him. My method for this is to work out what the least return will be if i get winner only, then stake a win only bet on said horse to that amount. If least amount is winner i dont lose, just make money if i get any places, if jackpot wins ![]() |
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I usually back 3 or 4. 1 or 2 main bets and then cover on 1 or 2 dangers.
Fly and Zark are my main bets. Grandouet is my main danger horse then Darlan. I had backed Darlan @ 24.0 but layed out of the bet @ 5.0. If he goes back to a sensible price at some point I'll reinvest in him. Otherwise I'm happy to let him run unbacked at 4/1 or lower. Grandouet backed @ 9.0 on here the other day. So have 3 now. The main 3 in my book. |
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The only horse I have backed in the race is HF not because I don't think there are big dangers to him but because I think the Champion make up is particularly weather dependent. On really soft or heavy I would have to be with one of the stayers in particular if he was running OW would be of interest. If the ground is good to soft or better than ROR has to come into it. He was running a nice race at Cheltenham in the international before tiring between the 2nd last and last on better ground in the spring he would be a big danger.
That being said anything worse than good ground and HF will take all the beating, potentially softer the better. The only way we will learn anything new about Darlan is if he takes on an older horse between now and Cheltenham Festival and Henderson will ensure that doesn't happen. Anything else and he will be beating the same horses that turned up in the Supreme or the Triumph. He may well get shorter in the betting but it won't be because his form has got stronger. |
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Was last seasons supreme really that slow though? Not a times man at all but they always go a good clip in that and i've always though (to my eye anyways) it was fairly lickety spit
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Was over 6 seconds slower than Champion Hurdle which is quite a lot slower. Usually there is only 1 or 2 seconds difference given Novices carry less weight
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Currently watching it now, paused it, reason being my cinders and ashes bet for CH this year at 20s. If last seasons supreme was that slow, which early on it defo wasnt, then that kinda puts paid to my opinion that C&A relished coming off a strong pace when winning that supreme. Another thing was, the moment where i have paused it, was when he completely destroyed the 4th hurdle down the back straight when sitting in about 8th or 9th place
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