To be honest, I'm getting a bit bored of this converstation now.  There are clearly two sets of people, those in the Sprinter camp and those in the Sanctuaire, and until the race is over we won't know.

Rondetto, just an opinion.  I wouldn't call Sprinters Arkle win as "barely out of a canter", he was made to work hard up the hill to keep the distance to Cue Card.  You make it sound like it was a Master Minded QMCC win in 2008, when the others were barely jumping the last fence when he crossed the line.  FWIW I've backed Sprinter at 14/1 for this year's QMCC and posted on here last year that 28/1 was available with B365.

I've said before I don't give a cr@p about ratings for Grade 1 horse, if one horse has a "p" after their name, what one person rates a horse compared to another.  Imo Twist Magic was a proper Sandown specialist, who in 2009 beat that seasons QMCC winner 33 lengths.

Should be a cracking renewal, whichever camp you're in.

Joci - yet Sprinter's new Timeform rating must be based on collateral form with Cue Card (and perhaps Al Ferof?), which makes it all a bit of a guessing game. I just find it odd that after winning a strong but small field Arkle and a few other weak races he's rated within 2 lbs of Azertyioup and Best Mate, 3 of Denman, 4 of Moscow Flyer and 7 of Desert Orchid - all arguably all time great chasers. I have absolutely no doubt he has the potential to earn such a rating, but in horse racing a horse usually earns its rating rather than having a coronation. Timeform seem desparate to give Sprinter a massive rating - and are setting it up.

WellC - just to be clear, I am in the Sprinter camp and expect him to win (as i said right at the beginning of this thread). However, I just believe Sanctuaire is better than many think and it could be a good - even spectacular - race. The horse has done nothing wrong over fences - he was magnificent at Sandown in March and April - and it seems odd (to me) for people to dismiss him so readily. Your point about Twist Magic could be pertinent - Sandown is a rather specialist course.

I think Sprinter will end up being better than Moscow Flyer and it pains me to say that as Moscow is my favourite horse.

Moscow Flyer great horse but never one of my favourites as have bad memories of him costing me a big prize in the Ten To Follow by winning the Champion Chase that year when the two nags either side of him fell 2 or 3 out.

Latalomne.

the handicapper has sprinter sacre 3 pound in front of sanctuaire we all know official ratings are not set in stone but the assesors are a a decent guide imo and are not usually to far wide of the mark ,but its a horse race and the unexpected happens often enough , both horses have room for improvement sprinter sacre may have more potential but who can be sure .if the official ratings are to be belived (and at this stage they are the best guide imo) then is the gap in prices for these 2 horses evens sprinter and 8s sanctuaire justified ? all about opinions but ya pays ya money and take your chance !

3lbs is one mistake at a fence

give me evens on ss please

I've already politely asked budd about evens for the Tingle Creek howdi but he sort of dodged the issue.....but so would I at evens, you'd have to be feckin stupid!

His words that it an even chance flush, not mine. You seem to think that the monster has no chance in the soft, maybe you'll go bigger.......

I never dodged the issue,i merely pointed out im no bookie and i may be wrong,and would not want to lose money finding out.
Anyway as said,i dont need to lay SS,and ive never layed a horse in my life and probably never will,plus i will be getting better than evens on Sanctuaire,i would think.So i can just back him on the day if i want.

yep and the following week sir des champs v flemenstar.......not a lot to look forward too!

Powers are betting 4/9 Sprinter, 11/4 Sanctuaire

My gut is that Sprinter will win but at the prices I'll be having a small bet on Sanctuaire.

http://www.paddypower.com/racing/future-racing/tingle-creek

this race has got everyone that loves jumps racing talking! yummy yummy

great when questions get answered like this isn't it?

anyway, Sprinter is a complete monster for me with everything you want in a 2 mile chaser and he is the best I've seen since Moscow Flyer. Anyway, I expect him to win easily as I have him conservatively 10lbs clear on the bare form and he clearly could have produced bigger numbers as he was never once pushed out. I have it 175 Sprinter vs 165 Sanctuaire so I think he will win 4 lengths plus

we will see how accurate my numbers are on Saturday, can't wait

think its been reopened due to lack of numbers,hope it aint a 2 horse race.

Thanks, buddeliea.

Presume prize money down to 6th so we should have 6 runners, even if 4 of them would struggle to win a handicap at Plumpton on a Monday.

Sprinter Sacre to win the Tingle Creek by 6 L or more enhanced from 6/4 to 5/2.  PADDY POWER if anybody is interested.