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Sprinter Sacre v Sanctuaire
Sprinter Sacre v Sanctuaire
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no mention from henry db about the tingle creek for sizing euro ! looks like they will be stepping him up in trip again!
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bloody stupid imo,he has proved he cant cut it at 3m,out of his comfort zone.
If they think hes too slow for 2m at the top level then go 2 and half,plenty of nice races at that distance,with the Ryanair now a good race in its own right. Every early season hes talking 3m for the horse,and every season he ends up running over 2m. |
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hendo not taking sanctuaire lightly ...on atr today " nothing could give sprinter a lead last season ,well theres one that will give him a lead this season " we will take in a chase at cheltenham about 3 weeks before the tingle creek .
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Nice to see the Arkle runner up go and destroy a field over two miles like that. So excited to see Sprinter Sacre again.
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Think we are all excited to see SS this season.
Wont be long now. |
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I fear they will cut each others throats and set up the race for soemthing which could outstay them. Al Ferof may fit the bill despite what the form says.
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The form says AF made a race ending mistake in the Arkle,when going well at the time.
So,were he to line up against those 2,and not show any effects from that(not sure myself),then i would not be surprised should he outstay them. Think hes stepping up in distance anyway,so doubt it will happen. |
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on good ground would be favouring ss ,
on soft ground sanctuaire will win by 10 lengths on the bridle with ruby waving to the crowd. ss form on soft ground does not match his good ground form on soft he is a lau all day. |
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Nothing will be beating Sprinter by 10 lengths on the bridle
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christ flushgordon
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Well considered post eh?
Only ever run once on proper soft ground in an egg and spoon novice hurdle at Ascot. Never encountered it last season. He is by Network, whose progeny usually handle soft ground well. I don't think Hendo would risk him in a bog, unless it came up heavy at Cheltenham in March. My guess is he'll cuff Sanctuaire at Sandown whatever the ground but we'll have to wait and see. |
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festivalfanatic v flushgordon
No Offers v 200-1 Mismatch sorry flush outclassed. |
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you heading to HQ next week FF?
Ive booked day off on Friday looking forward to it now. |
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Yes mate, meeting up with some pals from Bristol on the Friday. I like the racing on the Friday best of the 3 days. Will go for some of Saturday card but not all of it - I live 2 miles from the course, so it is easy for me to get there whenever I want. Usually miss the Sunday but will make an appearance if the monster is running.
Fortunately my missus has long since realised that it is pointess expecting me to go anywhere with her when the racing at HQ is on! |
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lol same here as regards the mrs.
I'm in Oxford so 45 mins home for me, like you only ever been once on sunday but i'll be there if SS is running. |
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Ive always liked Best Mate enclosure by screen. which enclosure do u go to ff?
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I'm an annual member H and usually watch the racing from the lawn in front of the grandstand. Easy to get to the pre-parade ring and parade ring from there. If the monster runs on Sunday, I'll watch his race from the inside of the track.
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Tingle Creek a 2 horse race now with Sizing being ruled out by De Bromhead
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Thats a real shame,was looking forward to the youngsters against the old pro!! And would have told us a lot as well.
Any ideas what else is likely to turn up?? |
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Sunday is the best day! I would not sacrafice a single day at Cheltenham all year, but if you left me with no choice, it would probably be Saturday that i dropped (though logistically, that would not be possible). I am not being contrary, but I prefer the racing on the Friday and certainly the Sunday.
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pulled out on sunday because of the soft ground ,well i never,
if they are chitting themselves to face doelessthaneme on soft the crapola will hit the fan when they have to face the mighty sanctuaire  |
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heres some food for thought sprinter sacre fans ...........".i didnt have my horses right last season" paul nicholls speaking after al ferof won the paddy power .......... so am i right in assuming sanctuaire will be going to the tingle creek 100/% this season ........be afraid.......... be very afraid
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I watched Sanctuaire's race at Sandown in April the other day on tape. His jumping was magnificent. As the cliche goes, he didn't touch a twig. At this distance I was more impressed by Sanct's jumping at Sandown than by Sprinter's at Cheltenham. When the two of them go head to head it could be a sight to see.
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Sprinter is an absolute brute - Sanctuaire wont know which way he went
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mike tyson was a brute untill he met someone who was not scared of him and who could go toe to toe with him and we know what happened there !
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For those who really want to take the monster on, lay him on here! Suspect few, if any will have the balls to do it. I think the performances of AF, Cue Card and FNS this season have actually enhanced Sprinter's standing.
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have already said will be depending on ground sphincter sucker wont be able to bully sanctuaire on soft .
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Bobs Worth and Silvianco Conti enhanced Grand Crus' rep too.
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In a point relating to the Grands Crus thread, on horses peaking at different points of the year, and trainers targeting races, then this will be Sanctuaire's best chance of beating Sprinter imo (although I don't think he will).
Nicholls has won this 6 out of the last 7 years, so is a race he obviously targets. Sanctuaire could easily be another Twist Magic; absolutely immense at Sandown but then come up short in the QMCC. I think Sprinter would struggle to keep up with Twist Magic at Sandown when Twisty was at his peak. I think the Sprinter camp are targeting the QMCC a lot more than the Tingle Creek, whereas I think the Sanctuaire camp imo will target the Tingle Creek more. If Finians and Sizing were to turn up (I know they won't, but...) I'd have Sanc fourth. |
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Can't believe whatI am reading Wellchief. Sprinter Sacre barely out of a canter beat a Champion Hurdle 2nd and Neptune winner2, 2 Suprmme Hurdle winners one of which just won the Paddy Power plus a champion bumper winner without coming out of 2nd gear and you think he'd have trouble matching trides with Twist Magic?
Sorry mate but Sptinter Sacre who is already rated 180 "P" would be at least a stone or more better than Twist Magic who was a 170+ horse at best. As far as Sanctuaire goes I wouldn't have him on my mind to even get Sprinter Sacre off the bridle. Horse won a race in bad ground on which is never a good idea to be taking the form seriously and a couple of meoderate chases. Prior to that he was beaten out of sight by both Binocular and Grandouet. He seems to have two ways of running the best of which we saw in the Fred Winter and at Sandown but neither comes remtely close to Sprinter Sacre's demolition job in the Arkle. |
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So how good actually was the Arkle??
Cue Card,probably better over further. Menorah cant jump well enough. Al Ferof ended his race at a fence. Yes it was an impressive round of jumping and a faultless display,but imo no better than Sanctuaire at Sandown. I for one am really looking forward to this race,and will be there to witness what i think will be a great race between these 2,and to be honest from what ive seen with them over fences,i would have them both even. |
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Put the monster up on here at evens budd, you'll fill your boots.
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im no bookie mate,and i could well be wrong. Dont want to lose money finding out. |
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You'll be able to back Sanctuaire at odds against. If you really think it's a 50:50 chance, he'll be great value for you.
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yep,i shall be there prowling round the bookies with me hard earned looking for a nice price.
what price you reckon he will be on the day? Also be interested to know who else is likely to line up,any ideas anyone?? |
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Like others have said I hope the blind will be laying Sprinter so I can get stuck in for the bet of the season. I will be surprised if he even comes off the bridle in the Tingle Creek. I would back Cue Card to beat Sanctuaire over 2 miles. Much better horse but keep believing the hype. This just reminds me of the people who took on Sea The Stars and Frankel every race.
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It would be nice to have the top established 2 milers in but if Finians & Sizing are being aimed at the King George, there is no chance of them lining up in this and suspect that the other runners will be makeweights running for the place money...probably pay down to 6th. The softer the ground, the poorer the price for Sanctuaire and if it comes up heavy, Hendo might duck it again. I'm no bookie either but whatever the ground, can't see him being bigger than 2/1 and that assumes they go very short on the monster.
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I see Timeform now rate Sprinter 180p and the highest rated chaser in training. That seems reasonable in terms of what I expect him to achieve, but too high (perhaps much too high) based on what he has actually achieved so far on the racecourse. It puts him 6+ ahead of the Champion Chaser for example.(Grands Crus yesterday was an example of what can happen if you rely too much on collateral form).
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Hype??
Sanctuaire has jumped round Sandown and won easily by a long way,twice. No hype for me,just impressed with his course and distance form and the way he jumps those fences. Look,both these horses have been impressive,and jump really well. They are both novices coming into their senior years,are both open to any sort of improvement and have never met. You,me and everyone else do not know how they will perform first time up this season,and to me its folly to say for sure which one will win. One thing i am sure about though,is that whoever does win will be a top 2 miler,and to be honest i think they will both prove to be top notch as the season unfolds. |
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strontium 18 Nov 12 10:05
I see Timeform now rate Sprinter 180p and the highest rated chaser in training. That seems reasonable in terms of what I expect him to achieve, but too high (perhaps much too high) based on what he has actually achieved so far on the racecourse. It puts him 6+ ahead of the Champion Chaser for example.(Grands Crus yesterday was an example of what can happen if you rely too much on collateral form). Surely the ground conditions yesterday would have largely knocked the (collateral) form book out of the window? |