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Only one antepost bet for me at Cheltenham next year on this Nicholls inmate.
Pleased to hear Nicholls stating that nothing is ruled out for next season starting with the Charlie Hall and an entry held in the King George.
Though Nicholls sees Aintree as being the target for next year could he resist a tilt at the Gold Cup if SC performs well at Kempton?
The yard doesn't have a stand out candidate for the Gold Cup following the Denman/Kauto years and the race look wide open this year.
SC beat Champion Court by 13 lengths in the Midmay in April whereas Sir Des Champs had previously beaten Champion Court by 4 lengths at Cheltenham over a shorter distance. SDC generally 6/1 while SC generally 33/1 although Hills are as low as 12/1. There's been a steady stream of money on here recently bringing SC in line with the bookies.
Anyway, I'm on here at 65s and 33s with the books...
Anybody with me?
Pleased to hear Nicholls stating that nothing is ruled out for next season starting with the Charlie Hall and an entry held in the King George.
Though Nicholls sees Aintree as being the target for next year could he resist a tilt at the Gold Cup if SC performs well at Kempton?
The yard doesn't have a stand out candidate for the Gold Cup following the Denman/Kauto years and the race look wide open this year.
SC beat Champion Court by 13 lengths in the Midmay in April whereas Sir Des Champs had previously beaten Champion Court by 4 lengths at Cheltenham over a shorter distance. SDC generally 6/1 while SC generally 33/1 although Hills are as low as 12/1. There's been a steady stream of money on here recently bringing SC in line with the bookies.
Anyway, I'm on here at 65s and 33s with the books...
Anybody with me?
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i have backed him for the king george and although he seems suited by flat tracks if he were to win or run very well in the k.george then the gold cup would be hard to resist .good luck
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Couldnt back him for King George as Grands crus will be too good for him there.
And I'm not sure 3m2f around a course like Cheltenham would suit him. Nicholls spent all season telling us that he was not a cheltenham horse. |
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Never gonna run at Chelt is it
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Lack of Cheltenham experience is a concern, only the one previous run... the books have SC priced up for the Paddy Power and a solid run there (if it runs) would be a big plus.
True, Nicholls has stated previously the Cheltenham Gold Cup is unlikely but that's factored into the price imo... Foyles-good luck with your King George bet... cheers. |
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I don't think you can take that collateral form with Champion Court too literally. CC probably isn't a stayer so you'd expect him to lose by more over 25f than 20f. Plus Sir des Champs could have won by any distance he liked that day - won 4 l, value for 20+ - he was toying with them.
I'd also be a touch suprised if SC ends up in the Gold Cup after comments last season - though as people say a good run in the PaddyP or King George could cause a change of plan. Nicholls may well have something else for the Gold Cup (though I agree no standout) - Al ferof and Kauto Stone are going to step up in trip, What a Friend has run there twice, Cristal Bonus and Join Together are other possibles. |
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I like all 3 from the Feltham last year but I remember reading the trainer say that there was a problem with Champion Court at Aintree and not to take the form too literally. I think the Aintree race is tailor made for Silvianaco. If he were mine he wouldn't go to Cheltenham this season but if he had to it would be for the Ryanair. He didn't jump well in the Feltham and went out to his left at more than one fence. I couldn't back him for the King George. Especially given how easily Grands Crus put that race to bed.
For me it would be Charlie Hall, possibly Hennessy followed by a short break and then back for the Denman at Newbury and finally the Aintree race. I wouldn't want to squeeze all the juice out of this fellow too soon. |
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I backed him for the Gold Cup at the end of last season when I couldn't see any other obvious candidates from PFN yard, I'm now trying to lay my bet out as Nicholls has said he's likely to wait till next year with him if he runs at Cheltenham at all. The two I'm looking at now are Al Ferof and Pachu Du P as Nicholl's possible runners??
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Not too many positives there lads!
 strontium - you make a valid point re comparing form: a weak argument provided by myself. I hope SC and SDC meet at some point in the future if it not next years Gold Cup. Maybe Cheltenham 2013 may come a year to soon... Anyhoo, whose gonna take my tenner I put up @ 70s?  |
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coul stick to your guns anything is possible ! this time last year who would have said synchronised and giant bolster 1st and 2nd in the gold cup ?
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Fair point Foyles, although the route to the poor house if taken too far.
If SC does show up well in the PP, King George or one of the Gold Cup trials his price will likely crash on here whatever connections have said, and then you can trade out for a nice free bet - if you have confidence in the horse, that's not a bad way of doing things. |
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Foyles - I will certainly be sticking to my guns, I'm 1800 green on said horse for not a great outlay so if things go tits up over the winter there's no harm done.
I don't think anybody has added anything negative that I didn't know already and hopefully that will help push the price out a bit further over the next few weeks so I can have a little bit more... |
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agreed strontium, i have backed this one for the king george and put another up on the ante post thread ,what i mean by the stick to your guns comment is that if you change your mind in this game it inevetably comes back and bites you on the rse as we have all expierienced before .
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Silviniaco Conti
We'll run him in the Charlie Hall at Wetherby and then make a plan. He'll probably have an entry in the King George but he might be an ideal horse for Aintree in the spring and we'll give him plenty of time. He might be a Gold Cup contender in 2014 rather than 2013, as he could get stronger and more consistent. Nt completely ruled out imo, gl |
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I'm going to stick my neck out here but SC won't win one race this season. Don't get me wrong he's a very good horse but IMO isn't top class, unless his sight are lowered he may struggle in his first season out of novice company.
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Pretty much agree with that,and would say the same about Grand Crus.
Imagine those 2 up against Sir Des Champs and Flemenstar!! How Far??? |
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Would be a sight to see Budd
I wouldn't be surprised if SC doesn't have a great season either tbh. |
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As expected SC entered for the Charlie Hall at Wetherby this coming Saturday... put in as 3/1 jolly by Bet356...
Nicholls stated in his Betfair column: 'We will see how he fares at Wetherby before making firmer plans for him going forward'. Looks a decent field... |
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I think it's a weak field apart from SC and First Leiut, who I reckon is more likely to run at Down Royal. Weird Al, Midnight Chase, Time for Rupert & Diamond Harry were firmly put in their place last year imo - though they may be competetive with each other.
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Been touting this beast since it destroyed captain Chris in a novice hurdle. Get the feeling he could be bit special.
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I dcon't half fancy Sc TO WIN THIS:
- On the upgrade - Master trainer - Well looked after in the past , now is his time - Competition is exposed - Quite frannkly not good enough. |
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The money has come for this one on Saturday, would need to be beating this field well enough for a Gold Cup to be considered
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Is the Gold Cup even on his agenda this season? Nicholls has always talked about him being a flat track horse with any possible Gold Cup bid next season.
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A pleasing performance from SC today... couldn't ask for much more...
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yeah colpaul gotta be happy with that ,as said before i am on for the king george ,on the ante post forum there is talk of thast the hennesey is the target ,i hope not as he is only a 6 yo and carrying a biggish weight is not ideal and he seems to need at least 6 weeks between his races to show his best ,he is down to about 16s for the gold on here and about 8s for the king george .good luck .
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Today can't have done his mark any good for the Hennessey!
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For which he isn't even entered
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Howdi had this taped,took his advice...........pleasing performance now lets see what the big uns bring to the party in the next few weeks.
Major disappointment at Down Royal as was sure SE on decent ground would have jumped away from the field. |
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Good stuff.
My only dissapointment is that we could have been on 'at a price' if we had known about all these likely withdrawls. Second guessing entries is hard enough but then the withdrawls to follow make ante post punting even a week before the off almost impossible. |
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Howdi - those who were at 3s last Monday are in clover... though not me I'm afraid!
 Foyles - sitting pretty for the King George though Ruby is understandably wary of the likes of Grand Crus and Bob's Worth... strontium - SC in the Gold Cup mix betting wise but on the same day he posts an impressive performance there are wins for both Cristal Bonus and Kauto Stone, two horses you posted as possible PN Gold Cup potentials, fair play... I've not heard from Mr Nicholls (not personally of course) re the next target but the King George makes logical sense with it being 7 weeks away... |
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It is going to be fascinating to see how they campaign these horses. Both Ruby and Nicholls seemed more bullish about Kauto Stone's performace yesterdy than SC's, which surprised me a touch. Maybe KS wasn't fully tuned up? I suspect SC will be running well in some nice races even though he may not go for the KG or CGC this season. Eternaloptomist made an interesting post on the AP board about it being a gradual process for SC, with the build up possibly to the biggest races next season. However, connections don't seem to have a clear view about what they want to do, so we can only speculate
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Or they do and are happy to allow us to speculate.
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Dunno - maybe, but they are a media friendly yard and not a gambling yard. I got the impression they hadn't had time to consider the runs of SC, Kauto Stone and Crystal Bonus when the comments I'm referring to were made yesterday - and of course Nicholls, Walsh and Jacob were all in different places at the time.
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Now that Harry has buggered off anyway.
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Fair enough
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a very nice 3 miler that may fall a little below the very very best over a gold cup trip, looks a tailor made horse for the betfred bowl (eventually anyway)where he may bump into a couple of the gold cup/ ryaniar also rans and other not quite gold cup horses.
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pretty much how i see him at the moment duffy,although he could improve more.
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I think that's fair Budd and Duffy. Given his good form at Kempton, Wetherby and Aintree the King George should suit him (though he could easily run in to a better opponent).
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Taken from Paul Jones Chelt Fest ante Post service:
'Connections of Silviniaco Conti were talking of bypassing Cheltenham for Aintree before his runaway Charlie Hall Chase win feeling that he would be better suited to flat track. As impressive as he was at Wetherby, I didn’t think he had a lot to beat though he did it in some style but I was shocked to hear afterwards that suddenly Kempton may not suit him (as he stays so well being the reasoning) so they are thinking of now swerving the King George. I don’t doubt that Nicholls views him as his number one Gold Cup hope but I prefer at least three of last season’s novices ahead of him.' |
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Some people have good APs for him for March seemingly, and GL to them. I personally think the form of the Charlie Hall is well below gold cup form. Visually impressive but the race was IMO a bit of a farce and totally run to suit. Interesting afterwards that PFN said he thought a more galloping track would suit SC than Kempton. The horse's asset to me is his speed and travelling and a GC slog on a far stiffer course, undulating, over further, jumping more fences IMO would not play to his strengths. He may develop that way but everything I have seen so far suggests the CGC slog would not suit.
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