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Or you could both put all your Boston Bob money on Quevega and all will be well
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Remember a few firms tried to take on Quevega on the day of the race last year. Thought if anything she had improved over the year in 2011 and was devastating in Ireland. If she turns up safe and well it should be a point and shoot job. I hope Unaccompanied runs because it will force the Quevega up.
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Well shes won the Mares race at chelt the last few years,and a couple of 3m hurdle races in Ireland,not sure that makes her phenomenal myself.
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I should add that i dont mean to knock her,just that i would like to see her in more competitive races against the top horses around.
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@buddelia, I understand what you are saying about the bare form. However when she spanked Mourad last time out I thought it was a truely top class performance. I read an interview where Mullins stated he would rather mop up the Mares Hurdle with her rather than maybe run for place money behind big bucks. Winners at Cheltenham are always special. If Big Bucks had got injured this season I am in no doubt she would be heading to the world hurdle where I would make her a big runner in a race without BB.
I think 159 is a good 7/8 pounds below her top potential. We may never know though |
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People may knock Quevega's form but the reality is that she's head and shoulders above every other Mare and they now run scared of her.
VLV can't get near her but she's won 12 of her 21 races and got some notable scalps in her locker as well as running the likes of H Fly and Solwhit close on several occasions, Carole's Legacy rab away from her at last years festival and took the easier option of the old W Hill chase - she carried 11st 5lb and got to within half a length of Bensalem (giving him 3lb) and they came very close to sticking that one in the Gold Cup so highly thought of is he. You could argue that she should have had a Champion Hurdle tilt in her time but she could easily re-write the record books and rack up half a dozen festival wins, I can't criticise the owners for taking the same sex option and to be fair if you can back her at odds against 6 weeks before the race then this is surely a gift from heaven ! |
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I am in no doubt whatsoever that just like the last 3 years she will be a bigger price on the day than she will be antepost 6 weeks before the event!
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Fallen Angel - I agree completely about the 159 being below her ability. Was looking at the main contenders in depth the other day and saw 159 and thought that just screamed out as being too low. Obviously the bare form does not entitle her to be bigger than that but I too think she's a monster.
Put it this way, from a value perspective, I'd rather back her at 5/4 to beat Unaccompanied and Voler La Vedette (one of both might not turn up either), than either Hurricane Fly at Evs to beat a stack of smart horses rated within 7-8lb, or Big Buck's at 4/6 to beat Oscar Whisky. Just think Quevega could run 7-8lb below form and win, whereas the same is not true for the other two. |
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Maybe she will have a go at the Aintree Hurdle this year,that would be good i reckon,and give her the chance to beat CHurdle types.
Think she deserves that,and i for one would love to see it. |
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Seathestars - what makes you think that Quevega will be bigger than 5/4 on the day?? I would be stunned if she is not odds on (if she gets there).
There are 3 mares in training that are head and shoulders (and i mean stones) ahead of the rest. There were decent reasons why Quevega was a longer price in previous years: In 2009 we barely knew her (2/1) In 2010 (6/4) there were doubts about her wellbeing and she was facing a mare rated 5 lbs better than her (VLV) In 2011 (5/6) she faced a progressive mare in Sparky May but comfortably dispatched her on the bridle. We have been told that Unaccompanied is not going to Cheltenham. There is a doubt about VLV lining up and no certainty she would head here if she came to Cheltenham. If VLV lines up then i can see them betting something like 8/11 Quevega, 9/4 VLV, 12s bar If VLV does not line up then i can see Quevega going off 4/11 or even shorter. I can't really understand why she is not shorter than both Hurricane Fly and BB. |
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Fallen - don't forget that if she raced against the boys she would be getting the mares allowance (5 lbs), so 159 equates to 164 in all gender races. I'd say 165 or 166 would be about right, which is only 1-2 lbs above her current mark.
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C Murphy just on atr - has not ruled out the WH for VLV
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HR, i cant even be bothered to read through that post cos after reading the first line i gave up. I am NOT EXPECTING HER TO BE BIGGER THAN 5/4 ON THE DAY. I merely said that she has always been a bigger price on the day than she ever was during the same 6 weeks period of antepost and the same will more than likely happen this year also! If she is 10/11 now, and 4/5 a couple of weeks before (cos the books always trim them in that period readying for nrnb) i would fully expect to see evs, maybe even 11/10 at some point during the day of the race! Has happened every year like i said!
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And i am not on about her eventual sp either! I am talking about the early price markets!
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Ok, i have read through your post haha apologies, 4/11? Really? WOW, thats short, and has absolutely no chance what so ever of happening, not at the festival in a large field race! She will trade something around the regions of 4/6 8/13 in the couple of weeks leading up to Imperial Cup day, then the likes of hills and lads with their specials will push her out a smidgen to around 8/11 and can see her being 5/6 10/11 on the morning of the race at some point during the day! Cast iron certainty, and that is if both VLV or unaccompanied dont go! The same thing will happen with BB!
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If she turns up on the day she won't be anywhere near 5/4 or evens at any point imo.
The bookies will have learnt their lessons by now, and can't see any of them taking her on (plus there is no bumper winner running in the Supreme to make a mint on, and can't see them trying to get her) This years race could also be a very small field, looking at the betting. It looks like she could face 8 or 9 rivals max - unless loads more get entries that aren't currently in the betting. |
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check the vidoes of her cheltenham wins she hoses up nodds against is value
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Hills just cut Quevaga from evens to 8/11....best price evens
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I have just one opinion on Quevega...
PLOT HORSE This horse has just been plotted to win this race every year because connections know she is far superior to any of the opposition... If they ran the horse pre Cheltenham they would scupper any chances of getting any sort of price on the horse and thus give the market what it wants to know... By not running the animal they give the market nothing, and then know that if they get the horse to the track she is a steering job... just my own opinion and think nothing will get near her...those taking the short price about her probably should just wait and take the 8-11 on the day but don't blame them as others are quite prepared to take 6-1 about a 4-1 shot and the percentages aren't that much different in comparison... Banker of the meeting for many and rightly so, on how her career has been plotted... |
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Harry, I don't think her career is built around providing betting opportunities for her connections. Voler la vedette has picked up nearly 100k in prize money so far this year, so if they were bothered about money they would be picking off the easy prize money in ireland, surely
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Barnesy you miss my point pal...
If she mopped up all the races in Ireland she would be 2-5 for the race...she has been plotted to win this the last 2 years...she could of raced against the best but no, the connections know she is a banker in this race... Anyway just my opinion and that is what I believe... |
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Auteuil (FR) Result
22 Jun 2008 « 2:45 » PRIX ALAIN DU BREIL (HURDLE) (GRADE 1) (4yo) (2m3f110y) 2m3½f Very Soft £89,338.00, £43,676.00, £25,809.00, £17,868.00, £9,926.00, £6,949.00, £4,963.00 RESULTRATE RACE Hide all comments in runningShow all pedigrees HORSE/SP AGE WGT TRAINER/JOCKEY OR TS RPR RATED « 1 Grivette (FR) 49/10 4 10-21 F-M Cottin — — 144 » Christophe Pieux « 2 2 Hurricane Fly (IRE) 17/10 4 10-5 W P Mullins — — 145 » D J Condon Held up in touch, closed up 9th, disputed 2nd 2 out, soon driven, kept on same pace and never reached front-running winner « 3 2 Quevega (FR) 53/1 4 10-1 W P Mullins — — 139 » D J Casey Always close up, mistake 10th (4 out), disputed 2nd 2 out, ran on one pace « 4 2½ La Grande Dame (FR) 14/1 4 10-1 R Caget — — 137 » Jeremie Ducout « 5 ¾ Othermix (FR) 8/5F 4 10-5 A Chaille-Chaille — — 140 » Jacques Ricou Tracked winner in 2nd until one pace after 2 out « 6 3 Mobi (FR) 13/1 4 10-5 J-L Pelletan — — 137 » Ervan Chazelle « 7 3 Worldbest (FR) 30/1 4 10-5 M Roussel — — 134 » Fabrice Barrao |
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Othermix favourite...
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the thing that has been agaist voler at chelts is that if im not mistaking the mares race is run on the 3or 4th day .
by that time the ground has usually dried out to good or faster and that is totally against her whereas quevega loves good ground.the only chance voler would have is if it came up soft. |
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Mares is on day one mate
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it it usually later though or have i got it mixed up.
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Mares race on d Tuesday
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olm Murphy feels Voler La Vedette is better than she showed in defeat behind Zaidpour at Gowran last time out.
The mare had previously gained her first Grade One win in the Hatton's Grace at Fairyhouse, before winning over Christmas at Leopardstown. She was sent off odds-on to beat Zaidpour, but Ruby Walsh rode a canny race from the front and held a length advantage at the line. However, Murphy said: "She ran too free the last day and she paid the penalty. "If the race was run again we'd be hoping for a different result but she's come out of it well and we're happy with her. "Early on she used to be very keen but she gives herself a chance now, that has helped her reach her potential and we've been delighted with her. "She's entered in the World Hurdle and she'll have an entry in the mares' race (at Cheltenham) but there's a lot of water to pass under the bridge before then. We haven't ruled either of them out," he told At The Races. |
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VLV and Unaccompanied now out. Get the price before it goes!
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A genuine 1/4 shot now
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Still 8/11 on here. GET THE LOT ON!!!
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What price do people think she will be on the day with and without vlv in the race ?
Already have 250 on at evens but contemplating putting more on but not sure if it is worth it. |
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1/2 best imo and thats if HF loses - If the Fly wins i see no reason why she would nt be 2/5 or less against the rest of them
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is vlv out of the race?
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Voler La Vedette is to head for the Ladbrokes World Hurdle at Cheltenham without another racecourse appearance.
Connections of the eight-year-old mare have decided against giving her a prep run in the Ladbrokes Boyne Hurdle at Navan on Sunday, which she won 12 months ago. Trainer Colm Murphy said: "I've had a chat with the owners and we've decided she won't run at the weekend. She'll go straight to Cheltenham for the World Hurdle. We'll just keep her ticking over now. She seems in great form and I'm very happy with her." He added: "It's more than likely she'll go for the World Hurdle, not the (David Nicholson) Mares' Hurdle." Voler La Vedette has enjoyed a successful campaign so far, winning her first three races of the winter, including the Grade One Hatton's Grace Hurdle, before suffering defeat against Zaidpour in the Galmoy Hurdle at Gowran Park last month. |
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beautiful!!! been backing quevega for months, thanks bjg
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can see quevega going off 1/3 now especially if the fly wins ,would imagine some hefty irish doubles running on
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Pointed out KORAL were EVENS last night. Enjoyed a deuce at levels. If VLV not running, and Quevega does, she will be 2-7
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I surely cannot be the only person who wants to see Quevega against Big Bucks- she has won two 3m Grade 1 hurdles and must represent the only worthwhile competition bar Oscar Whisky- who has won no graded races over 3m. I do think that any other of Mullins horses are good enough to win so why not give Quevega a go in the World Hurdle and create one of the most anticipated races of the week..
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correct!!i took the last bit of evens with koral last week and feeling top notch with my 13/8 in meaty dbls with the fly at 9/4 with hillbillys. have to laugh tho i had £20 dbl at 5/6 with junior at 16,s for the g nat with baldybet and the next day they were 8/11 and 12,s!!
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