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Peddlers Cross 8/1 Arkle
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And he wont,hes a novice and will run in Arkle alongside all the other novices,where he should be.
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i think al ferof will need further than 2, he was out paced in the supreme, styed on to win, think he'll want further in future
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"...Big Zeb, Captain Cee Bee and Golden Silver." ooooh, run away, run away
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PC didn't get out of a canter today and didn't touch a twig, he has repeatedly shown his ability and devastating turn of foot at the highest level. All the CH doubters were put to shame in March when he blasted most his potential opposition to pieces come next festival.
This horse could easily be 6-4 come March |
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If we imagine that Hurricane Fly didn't exist, what price do we have Peddlers? A Champion Hurdle winner by 5 lengths who has just win his chase debut without touching a twig, jumping incredibly quick and efficiently. Not 6s imo.
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Think you have to see the opposition though Joist,but you do put up a good case.
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Ah of course, the opposition is undoubtedly strong in potential; but Sprinter Sacre while obviously incredibly exciting for me has plenty to prove; Menorah falling is hardly ideal; and despite his Supreme Novices' heroics Al Ferof wants further imo, reminds me plenty of Noland. Equally, none of the 3 mentioned horses get anywhere near as close to Hurricane Fly as Peddlers did over hurdles imo. Bangor might not be the hardest track to jump, but I doubt we'll see a more impressive fencing debut all season, I thought Peddlers was absolutely sublime yesterday. Jumps just like you want a top-class chaser to do; low and efficient without ever making you think that he'll fall.
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Al Ferof will relish the Arkle trip imo,and if he proves he can jump,which i am confident hes a chaser in the making,he will be a threat.
Menorah jumped well till the jockey unseated. Should find out more about these when they face better opposition. Agree that PC is worthy fav though |
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Well AF now proved he can jump,and round Cheltenham as well.
Happy with that and the thought of PC and AF taking each other on is rather mouth watering. |
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Not sure Af will be aimed at the Arkle myself. Reckon he wants a trip and they might look after him this season.
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No mate,Nicholls said after the race he will go for Arkle.
Race is tailor made for him. |
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I certainly thought he was looking better as the race went on, and looked like it was all happening a bit quick for him early on (although nothing major) Would you pit this down to him gaining from the experience as imho thought he could do with further...?
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Sorry, was a bit slow there as trying to do three things at once!!
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Thought he jumped the first 2 or 3 a bit deliberately,but certainly did not think he was finding it a tad too fast just the front 2 went off too quick.Trainer said it was a great Arkle trial and thats where they have to go.
No doubt he gets further,he won over further over Hurdles,but hes still quick enough over 2m,as his form last season shows. Also Al Ferof ran round Cheltenham last March in a quicker time than the CHurdle,although carried 3lb less. |
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Agreed Budd that the front two went off too quick, and we saw how that ended, but think in the Arkle the whole field will be going that pace which could leave Al looking a little pondersous at some of his fences. Mind you, that could/should set it up for something thats going to see the distance out well - I'm gradually talking myself round to your way of thinking, but have to admit to being happy with my existing bets on PC....
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I thought he looked a little novicey at 2 or 3 of the early fences then jumped beautifully. Ruby eased him in to it and gave him a super ride. Remember, this was his first chase - he's likely to improve his jumping and perhaps his fitness. I didn't see anything today to suggest he can't travel, jump at pace and compete for an Arkle. And his form today must be superior to Peddlers Cross (with no disrespect at all to PC who just hasn't run in a decent chase yet). It is, however, a shame Lancetto and Toubab missed today as they would have been a decent marker for the form.
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the biggest worry with peddlers cross is that he ends up running in the champion chase
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No idea why trainers even contemplate running Novices in championship races. And re PC, it wont happen. McCain is no fool.
Yes Buddlia you are correct, Arkle definitley the aim it seems. Interesting that Nicholls spoke about how exuberant Af was at home in schooling. I think that showed yesterday so hopefully he learns to be more economical otherwise you could see him taking a nasty fall imo. |
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Slight mistake at one today but won well enough. It looked for a second about 4 out that he might be given a race by Minella Class but he came away in the end. Workmanlike would probably be too harsh, but he was shaken up towards the end and didn't come away as easily as I thought he might but maybe I'm expecting too much 2nd time over fences
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Minella Class is no mug, so to give him 7lbs I thought that was quite an impressive performance.
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i was impressed by his jumping today,not exubarant but economical.dont spend too much time in the air.good stuff....
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Haydock on the 17th Dec and all being well he'll not run again until the Arkle, according to RUK.
A nice performance and it will take some horse to beat him in March |
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Think he will need to do a fair bit more than win 2 Bangor chases to convince me it will take some horse to beat him.Much bigger tests to come.
He looks good though. |
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Your right, I suppose being a 170 rated hurdler who seems to have taken to fences very well indeed is nothing to shout about.
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Ok,but just saying that Bangor chases are a long way from whats in store for him later,thats all.
Yes his hurdles rating entitles him to be tough to beat if hes as good over fences,but hes still got some stiffer tests to come. Like i say though he looks good. |
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That said, I can't see that anyone would be taking 7/2 in november.
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Agree,hes worthy fav,but Al Ferof was impressive,Menorah ran well and jumped ok till the mistake and we have still to see Sprinter Sacre.
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Still 5/1 with Laddies when I looked 5 mins ago.
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good enough but my gut feeling afterwards was that i wanted a bit more of an impressive performance i just didn't like that moment when maguire had to shake him up a little...but then i tell myself that minella class is no mug so it's ok.....but like said above menorah jumped well until he didn't!! sprinter sacre to come....and at the moment my hunch is that al ferof is shading it .
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Think he is a short price for the Arkle tbh.
We not seen the best of what Ireland has to offer yet and Willie Mullins could have 2 or 3 likely candidates plus anything else from Ireland. |
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Thought he was good again today, despite 2 little errors in the back straight, he then jumped the last two perfectly; he just lost his concentration a little when Minella came to join him. I liked the way Maguire rode fired him into the last few fences, and Peddlers is sure to be suited by a stronger pace, so was ridden today with bigger and better fields in mind. Can't wait for Haydock, and the one to beat for me come March.
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He beat a grade one winning hurdler by 8 easy lengths giving it 10lbs and jumped like an experienced steeplechaser in the process,can't see what else he could do to have been much more impressive
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Has won two walk over races which he was entitled to do...
and now is a general 7-2 favourite for the Arkle.. a joke for me.. as is the price on Al Ferof.. I think his trainer is top draw, as is the horse, but a couple of walk overs does not entitle him to be this price.. People can argue what they like about minella class...but at the end of the day, it was just a nice introduction for him...he is and was just an average hurdler... Take nothing away from Peddlers though he could do no more and is going the right way but 7-2 is deplorable... |
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What prices should he be though? 5/1, 6/1?? No chance. I think hes a cracking bet for the arkle because he has everything you want in a arkle horse, speed, stamina, cheltenham form and he has shown he can jump. Admitted, 2 bangor novice chases but he seems very natural over the obstacles, at this early stage, slighltly reminiscent of best mate. So i cant see why peopee think 7/2 is a shortish price, personally thik 5/1 with laddies is very generous...
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Sizing Europer was a grade 1 winning hurdler and was available at 13/2 on the day of the Arkle.
I agree in that PC cant have done much more, but his price is based on his hurdles form which has taken a huge chunk out. This race is more compettive than it looks, there are plenty of horses yet to show their hand. |
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McCain to keep to Arkle plan with Peddlers Cross
By Peter Scargill 12:55PM 28 NOV 2011 DONALD MCCAIN is to resist the temptation to run Peddlers Cross in the Sportingbet.com Queen Mother Champion Chase at the Cheltenham Festival despite the six-year-old making a faultless start to his chasing career. Owned by Tim Leslie, Peddlers Cross is 5-1 favourite for the Irish Independent Arkle Chase after making it two wins from two at Bangor last week but his performances had prompted talk of a shot at the Champion Chase. However, McCain was keen to reaffirm his commitment to his original plan which will see Peddlers Cross head to Haydock on December 17 and then have one more run before contesting the Arkle. He said: "He's still young and if I do my job properly there are still several years to have a go at the Champion Chase. Nowhere along the line do we need to find out how good he is because we know how good he is. He may have an entry in the [Jewson Novices' Chase] as well but I can't believe he'll run in anything but the Arkle. "The natural progression is to go through a novice season and step up the next season and he's still be going to Cheltenham with a maximum of fourruns over fences under his belt. I'm always inclined to keep novices to novice races where I can." Plans for Peddlers Cross after his novice career are likely to see him kept at 2m to begin with although the William Hill King George VI Chase could come under consideration. "He wouldn't be a bad one to built up quietly and he could be a good one to run in the King George along the way but he's a very, very quick horse and when he jumps he's accurate - a little bit like Overturn - but three miles would come into the equation," McCain told At The Races. Phewwwwwwwww  |
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Peddlers Cross is set to put his unbeaten record over fences on the line at Kempton on December 27 in the williamhill.com Novices' Chase.
The Champion Hurdle second looks likely to face the stiffest task of his chasing career in the two mile contest which is registered as the Wayward Lad Novices' Chase. The Christmas contest has proved to be something of a benefit for Nicky Henderson who has saddled five recent winners including Fondmort, Riverside Theatre and Jack The Giant. Henderson could be represented this year by impressive Doncaster winner Sprinter Sacre and Donald McCain is relishing the prospect of taking him on with his Champion Hurdle second who is unbeaten in two starts to date over fences. "He worked well this morning, and his intended target is the Wayward Lad Novices Chase at Kempton, all being well. "He is likely to take on Sprinter Sacre, among others, so it could be an exciting race." he revealed in his exclusive blog at www.betfair.com/donaldmccain. |
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At least we may get rid of one of main ones for Arkle after this, if all showing but have feeling one or other will not run?
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Donald McCain expects Peddlers Cross to bounce back from his disappointing display at Kempton after a couple of issues came to light following that run.
Last season's Champion Hurdle runner-up made a seamless transition to chasing game, winning twice at Bangor to take him to the top of the ante-post lists for the Arkle Trophy at the Cheltenham Festival in March. But his comprehensive defeat at the hands of new Arkle favourite Sprinter Sacre in last month's Wayward Lad Novices' Chase perplexed his trainer, who admits he is pleased to have found something to explain the below-par performance. "It was obvious to me that he wasn't himself and we have found a couple of things that weren't right," said McCain. "There are a couple of issues. What we have found is more than enough to fully justify his run. "We're sorting the problem out and hopefully we should be OK and we can get him back on track. "I think now we've found those problems there is no reason for us to change our original plan and all going well, we're aiming towards the Arkle. "I've never been so pleased to find a problem with a horse in my whole life." While McCain is now looking forward to Cheltenham again with his star performer, he has cast some doubt over whether the seven-year-old will run again in the meantime. "The issues we've found are going to need a bit of management so we'll try to sort that before we make plans for his next run," the trainer added. "It would be nice to get another run in before Cheltenham, of course it would, but if we don't I wouldn't be unduly concerned." |