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Peddlers Cross 8/1 Arkle
Peddlers Cross 8/1 Arkle
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Do you see him more as an Arkle or RSA horse? Probably end up in the new Grade 2...
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a lively outsider (at this stage anyhow) for the rsa......there isn't a chance in hell that he could cope with the likes of peddlers et al
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remember seeing him on his debut at Sandown...lovely looking horse . Manged to beat the favourite Master of the Hall but only came 3rd behind Megastar and Wayward Prince...Charlie Mann was gutted.They always thought he'd make into a nice chaser.
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Decent bumper that! Yeah I'd see him as more of an RSA horse, won a PTP over 3m and Nicholls has run him over staying trips twice out of his 3 runs. Followed him since Charlie Mann noshed him off in his stable tour a couple of years ago haha.
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dont think it has the class
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Toubab running tomorrow fwiw. Hopefully runs a similar race as Ghizao did last year, ie travels and shows he jumps well.
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Really pleased with Toubab, he jumped impeccably and hopefully was only found wanting up the hill through fitness, rather than needing a flat track....altho it's probably the latter ha.
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If peddlers Cross jumps fences as well as he jumps hurdles he could be a true champion, i'd expect the 12's available on first lieutenant for RSA will go if he wins tomorrow, he must be flying for Mouse Morris to be given him a second run this early.
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Albion - you've hot the nail on the head. If he was unfit, he was pretty good. If he was fit, wait for Aintree!
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I would be surprised if Nicholls hasnt at least 5 better than Toubab, still to come out?
Especially all the french breds he has bought. |
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Lads goin 8/1 again
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Each to their own I guess, but 8s is a silly price to take at this stage imo.
Potentially such a good year for novices, much rather wait a least another couple of months to see how they all jump a fence in public. Even if PC is unbeaten at Xmas, I would be surprised if he was any shorter than 5s and that may well be a stronger bet as you'd be armed with more info. Personally I can see Cue Card being like Captain Chris - his jumping at speed at Chepstow was most impressive and will be much better suited by the Arkle pace rather than the RSA |
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Personally think that 8's is too short for Peddlers given the fact he might need further and not run in the race. Lovely horse though should be some race 1st time out against Al Ferof looking forward to it already if they both turn up.
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Time to get the wheelbarrow out again...
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the winner of peddlers v al ferof will trade at below 5s straight after the race[if its a true race]
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mug horse this PC thing,will never make a chaser,laying at 50/1 for the arkle
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i think that 8's is a more than fair price....before the champion hurdle i had worries about the distance being too short...but he showed that he could live (pretty much) with as good a champion hurdle winner as we have seen for a few years....we're also talking about a horse where hurdling was always supposed to be a stepping stone on the way to his proper job...the trainer is totally convinced that the horse has all the attributes to be an even better chaser than a hurdler....8/1...fair price for this horse....if he's not convincing after the bangor run he wouldn't drift much...if he blows al ferof away he could be 9/2.
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Two more Arkle contenders out next Saturday in beginners chase at Ascot...Sam Winner and Solix....potentially a very intersting match up and Nicholls seems genuinely excited about Sam Winner. Could also give an interesting line to Cue Card if Micheal Flips runs.
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peddlers cross doesn't look that big to me, and maybe the reason they are going chasing is because
they realise they can't beat hurricane fly. it's a risky strategy to adopt though, because if he doesn't match up as a chaser then that might affect his confidence and he'll never be at the same level as a hurdler. sprinter sacre for me at this stage, i'm loving this horse for this race. a great big thing, also a front-runner which I think will always help you in a race like the arkle, as it means you are out of any trouble in behind. menorah fits into the same category and will be interesting to see how he gets on tomorrow. |
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id have to disagree wuith that statement about front running being a positive in an arkle....
maybe splitting hairs but id be keen to oppose horse in front after 3fences..being handy id view as a positive,getting a sight of fences and picking the pacesetters off going to 2out. that said it maybe different this year due to not being able to try your hardest to win a race. |
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well maybe, I don't know if sprinter sacre will have to make the running or not, just that he'll be handy. azertyuiop, voy por ustedes, and sizing europe are good examples of why it helps to be up there in such a rough and ready race. Perhaps I should have said "being up there with the pace" helps you, rather than being an out and out front runner.
as for what someone was saying earlier about being worried that sprinter sacre might not find much up the hill, and if peddlers cross and menorah are upsides at the last they'd be worried, I find that a bit harsh. the horse is largely unproven and has done very little wrong. |
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personally I feel that barry geraghty gave the perfect example of a ride in the arkle on finians rainbow last year, riding handy in second place and giving his mount plenty of confidence, firing him at the fences. just that he wasn't good enough on the day to fend off captain chris up the hill.
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I like Sprinter Sacre too Mythical. I do however think Peddlars looks every inch a chaser - i've seen him at the track many times and he has the size and scope IMO, no question. Has also won a point. Of course we'll know more in 10 days time, after Bangor.
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nicholls doing his best to get a price on Al Ferof saying needs further dont believe that myself made for 2 at cheltenham. most underated horse in training imo.
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Peddlers Cross (7's) (only with 365 & Laddies now - all the rest have gone to 6's),
Sprinter Sacre (10) , Menorah (12) , Al Ferof (14) , Cue Card (16) , Solwhit (16) , Thousand Stars (16) , First Lieutenant (20) , Grandouet (20) , Kid Cassidy (20) , Overturn (20) , Poungach (20) , Spirit Son (20) , Arvika Ligeonniere (25) , Cedre Bleu (25) , Dare Me (25) , Dunguib (25) , Get Me Out Of Here (25) , Rebel Rebellion (25) , Salden Licht (25) - Others 25 or more |
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I took the 8/1 with Ladbrokes, but I reckon Al Ferof will be the biggest danger come Arkle day. The Bangor race will be interesting to say the least. If Peddlers hacks up I'll definitely be having a punt on Al Ferof at a biggish price
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Very good efficent round of jumping but anyone who takes 4/1 for the Arkle now is an idiot
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He beat nothing at a very easy jumping track...why's his price shortened!? What were people expecting him to do today!? Was impressive, but that was hardly a test was it!? Still wouldn't go near him at 8's.
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Well, he has proved he can get over them without much fuss and we know that he has both an engine and serious pace. I'm not sure that they would've sent him chasing if they didn't expect him to take top order over fences. He had any domestic hurdle pretty much at his mercy and with a horse that has produced a sicknote more often than turned up at the festival to beat in the CH, a good chance of winning that.
All that said, 4/1 for a hot looking Arkle in November..........I'm not sure that I can. Will probably look huge when he jizzes up @ 8/11 come March. |
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I guess it depends what he scares off as well! Mind you, his Warwick run aside, Finians Rainbow never touched a fence on route to last season's Arkle and was beaten...
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I'm surprised you wouldn't touch him at 8/1. Already a festival winner and a good 2nd to the best champion hurdle winner for a few years. I'm struggling to see any negatives.
However, I would say that after having had my biggest ever antepost bet on PC for the Arkle.  |
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agree with above qm take less winning.
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I'm not sure I agree that the QM will take less winning as it's a totally different game taking on seasoned chasers. A recipe for disaster imo.
6/1 looks fair enough to me and I'll probably back him again. |
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alf will murder him
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It's all very well saying he jumped brillaintly, but as he was always in 2nd gear it was very easy for Timmy Murphy to make sure he met every fence on a perfect stride - it's what he does when he isn'r perfect and has to shorten, stand off or fiddle one that will determine how good he is going to be over fences.
And given he jumped so well I was a bit perturbed that the 2nd horse was still so close going to the last - if PC had blundered it might even have got interesting. |
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I dont know what more a horse making his chasing debut could have done today.
At 1/8 he had everything to lose and nothing to gain. I assume the people crabbing him on here were doing the same before the Champion Hurdle. Ive been a fan of this horse since his bumper win at Haydock quite simply to my eyes he is a top top class horse. When others went by the wayside in the Champion Hurdle he stuck his head down and battled all the way to the line to be beaten by what most consider to be the best 2m hurdler since Istabraq. Now he is embarking on the career he was bred for and assuming down the line he heads to the Arkle good luck to any horse taking him on because one thing im sure of is that to beat him will take a monumental effort just ask Hurricane Fly. To put it simply Peddlers Cross ended his hurdling days with an official rating of 170. To win the Arkle id guess he will need to run to around the late 150s and i think he can and will do just that. |
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Good display of jumping and has to be a major player this season,he has top class Hurdle form behind him and has now proved he can jump,albeit under no pressure.
Still some to see yet and no way would i go in at current price,but those that have backed PC at bigger prices should be pleased with what they saw today. Long way to go till March though. |
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Absolutely love this horse.
He was as impressive as a novice on his first race over fences can be. Its not his fault Al Ferof's connections ducked the challenge. Well happy with my 14/1 and wouldn't swap it for anything - it will take a special performance from something else to beat him. I think everyone knew that if he won today his price would shorten, so if you fancied him for the Arkle you should have been on before the race. Menorah fell the other day and he shortened abit, so what would did you expect to happen after a performance like that today? |
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Certainly hes one of a few that could win the Arkle,but for me personally he has not been the right price to back him this early.
In the Al Ferof camp myself,and eagerly awaiting his run on Sunday,looks a hot little race at the moment. |
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Wouldn't go near the QM if he was mine. I'd much rather see him take on the other novices than Big Zeb, Captain Cee Bee and Golden Silver.
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