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TD_Gunner
24 Sep 10 13:39
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Definitely won to follow, travelled so well and powered up the hill in the Coral Cup.

Looks tailor made for the new 2m4f novice chase.

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By:
flyingbolt
When: 24 Sep 10 14:43
That mistaken addition will be a G2. This is a G1 horse.
By:
TD_Gunner
When: 24 Sep 10 15:08
Was not aware of that. What's the point of adding a new race if it's not even a G1 ?!

Anyway, he's not short of speed and you need a bit of extra stamina for the Arkle.
By:
Dark Destroyer
When: 24 Sep 10 15:37
Carried 6lbs more than GMOOH in the Schweppes and was travelling supremely well before blundering in the straight. His subsequent race suggested he certainly wouldnt have been stopping at Newbury. 33/1 for the Arkle was too big to ignore (this after me posting I wouldnt touch the race this year Laugh ) - but I will also take the best price I can get for the longer race. Mark Howard on RUK is also a big fan judging by his "10 to Follow" feature yesterday.
By:
flyingbolt
When: 24 Sep 10 17:25
Trouble is there is a fair bit of stamina in his pedigree. I doubt he will but it's not inconceivable he could end up in the RSA.
By:
TD_Gunner
When: 27 Sep 10 00:04
Yep he did DD, put him up as the number one out of that list too.
By:
cyclops
When: 27 Sep 10 10:20
Not mentioned in the Henderson stable tour review. Anyone know if he's fit and well?
By:
revedesivola
When: 27 Sep 10 12:12
does form from this race generally turn out well as in do winners go on to become grade 1 horses?
By:
Dark Destroyer
When: 27 Sep 10 14:55
Collier Bay was beaten in this race but came back to win the Champion Hurdle the following year - so it can be done Laugh
By:
revedesivola
When: 27 Sep 10 14:57
and was he expected to run better than he did in the coral cup. off day or major improval?
By:
Dark Destroyer
When: 27 Sep 10 15:18
Both. He was fully expected (by me at least!)to complete the Imperial/Coral Cup double but failed to stay the extra half mile. Put away after that his next season as a 5/6 year old included a win in the AIG Irish Champion before winning a respectable if non-vintage Champion by beating the previous years winner, Alderbrook.
By:
Dark Destroyer
When: 27 Sep 10 15:21
Rather than the Coral Cup if you were to concentrate on horses which have run well in the Schweppes (which I am 99% sure he should have done but for his mistake) you would find any number of "handicappers" who went on to prove themselves at a higher level.
By:
revedesivola
When: 27 Sep 10 15:21
oh right. so what do you think will be done with james de vassy this year?
By:
Dark Destroyer
When: 27 Sep 10 15:58
I have no insight at all to the Nick Williams stable, however off 144 he still looks very well treated to me so I would be surprised if they didnt try and take advantage of that mark in something pretty decent. The prize money available for the Haydock fixed brush race might be tempting as even though the extra half mile is an unknown factor if he fails to stay it will hardly screw up his mark for another shot at a big purse. A very nice horse.
By:
revedesivola
When: 27 Sep 10 18:23
yeah. i think reve de sivola is going there though and doubt nick williams would put both in same race!?
By:
bigben
When: 03 Oct 10 17:50
According to Nicky Henderson, Spirit River ran over fences in France so his novice status is no longer intact.

There is nothing in his form to confirm this though?
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 03 Oct 10 18:19
Where did you read this ?

Nicky Henderson has said that SR is going novice chasing this season.
By:
flyingbolt
When: 03 Oct 10 18:33
Spirit River has never run over fences.
By:
bigben
When: 03 Oct 10 18:52
Thats exactly what i thought Flyingbolt.

Its a quote taken from NH in this years Racing Post guide to the jumps.

I can only assume that the reporter who interviewed him has made a mistake.
By:
ftm
When: 03 Oct 10 19:41
thats why i had him included in champion chase,just in case
By:
TD_Gunner
When: 03 Oct 10 19:45
Confused
By:
ftm
When: 03 Oct 10 19:49
for some reason i thought spirits novice status was finished.i asked betfair to include him in cc betting.im certain he is a novice this season now tho..
By:
Albion Dan
When: 12 Oct 10 11:27
Big fan of Spirit River, is he likely to be going over further than 2 miles though?
By:
Dark Destroyer
When: 12 Oct 10 16:37
If he has run over fences......

Ante-post bets will only be made void if either:

The race is abandoned and not rerun at a later date at the same venue.
The race is declared void.
The race is moved to a different venue.
The selection is balloted out.
The selection was ineligible for the race at the time that the bet was struck. (Bets on runners who are not in the list of entries after all entry stages have closed are void).


Just as well for those of us with little or no self-control who have already backed him Laugh
By:
ben10
When: 12 Oct 10 17:07
Definitely never ran over fences, check the France Galop site, 2 runs over haies and one on the plat ;)
By:
ben10
When: 13 Oct 10 12:00
SPIRIT RIVER
5yo bay gelding; Poliglote — Love River
“He’s another for novice chasers having been a very good handicap hurdler. Would have gone close in the Tote Gold Trophy at Newbury but for a mistake three out and was suited by two miles five when he won the Coral Cup. He has done very well during the summer, massive, and he is another I am excited about in novice chases.”
By:
TD_Gunner
When: 13 Oct 10 12:10
Hmm, could the 'suited by 2m5f' be a hint .....
By:
Dark Destroyer
When: 13 Oct 10 14:43
Still a lot we dont know like how the prize money for the longer race will compare to the Arkle.
By:
TD_Gunner
When: 21 Nov 10 20:00
Entered at Newbury in a novice chase over 2m4f. Henderson got two other Buckley horses entered in the race too.
By:
TD_Gunner
When: 25 Nov 10 20:46
Runs tomorrow vs Celestial Halo and On Borrowed Wings, big test on debut.

Buckley described him as more of a 'staying type' on RUK today, so not sure about the Arkle.
By:
booster
When: 25 Nov 10 21:01
Really fancy him tomorrow but not much margin for error when you're backing horses first time over fences particularly against top class horses from the Nicholls' stable. Prefer to take 25-1 for the Arkle.
By:
tweedledumbtweedletwat
When: 25 Nov 10 21:10
they will surely be stepping this horse up in trip as the season progresses,id rather back him for rsa not the arkle....what price buckley winning the arkle with fr,new 2.4m with surfing and sr in the rsa?
By:
tweedledumbtweedletwat
When: 25 Nov 10 21:11
celestial halo isnt top class anymore .he would be outpaced coming down the hill at chelt,as he always is
By:
booster
When: 25 Nov 10 21:14
Spirit River doesn't lack pace (won over 2 miles at cheltenham and was going well 3 out when kicking a hurdle out in the Tote Gold Trophy) and was rated 10lbs higher than Finian's Rainbow over hurdles. It generally takes a horse rated over 142 over hurdles to win an Arkle. The RSA Chase is surely a race for sloggers and I'd think the stable would swerve the race with it's better horses after last year's race.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 25 Nov 10 21:51
A bit premature to write of Celestial Halo, bar a fall he may had one the aintre hurdle.

Shame the owner has so many good horses as Spirit River is more of a 2miler than a 3 miler anyday of the week, i hope they dont end up ruining him. Maybe they should had spent another year hurdling.......
By:
booster
When: 25 Nov 10 21:56
I agree about Celestial Halo and he should probably be more suited to a longer trip given his flat form and that Triumph Hurdle winners have more often proved to be stayers. Just not sure about his attitude a couple of times last year and not sure he's progressive.
By:
Alvarado
When: 26 Nov 10 01:17
be very dissaponted if spirit river is beaten tomoz
By:
buddeliea
When: 26 Nov 10 12:14
The way the owner is talking SR will not be campaigned over 2m.
By:
buddeliea
When: 26 Nov 10 12:35
Spirit River entered in 2m and a half race,which,in the past trainer has ran the likes of Punchestowns and Bacchanal,both of which were best at 3m.Plus the owner is saying he is a stayer.Plus he won the Coral Cup over 2m 5.All points to a staying campaign,and imo be very careful if thinking about punting for the Arkle.
By:
ben10
When: 26 Nov 10 14:30
Thought he jumped quite well today bar the obvious mistake. Not worth giving up on...
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