Boxing
Wilder Vs Fury
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It wasn't a great performance from Wilder, but I think most of us knew he wasn't a great boxer. Those of us who backed him expected him to knock Fury out, not outpoint him. Fair play to Fury, he was in much better shape than I anticipated, and did tremendously well to get up from that right-left combo, which would surely have finished off any other boxer. I don't think Wilder can complain about Fury getting too much time: the count was fair, and wasn't near as long as Wilder got against Ortiz.
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I had a large sum on Wilder and going into the 9th stopped watching the stream which was several seconds behind 5 live and focused more on trying to reduce/eliminate the liability I had on Fury/draw. My impression was Fury was ahead in a very close fight but taking into account the two knockdowns, I don't regard the decision as robbery. I would like to watch it again without the pressure of my own finances on the line to give a clear opinion either way. I had wilder to win at 1.75 and managed to lay it off in the last round when Fury hit the canvass so regard myself as fairly lucky not to be staring at huge losses today after that... Wilder was 1.16 to lay after the knockdown and if the "cashout" had worked as it was supposed to would have made a sizeable profit instead of getting my take back which I'm very relieved to do obviously given the result
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The people backing Wilder expected Fury to be far worse than he was let's be real. They saw his recent performances and thought he was done. If you knew that Fury would turn up last night no-one would back Wilder @ odds on when he just has a puncher's chance if that's the terms the fight will be fought on.
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well done wolf at least you never done your tank.des i think you got it spot on i fancied wilder strong cant believe what good shape fury was in.
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I had a small saver on the draw and both fighters to get knocked down at 100/1, which would have taken the sting out of it, but it wasn't to be. A good week last week, and a bad one this time. That's often the way it goes.
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Anyone remember when David Price was seen as possibly the big white hope and Fury was seen as a noisy sideshow. Give him his due, he said then that he was the business and nobody believed it.
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Chisora was like 1.5 to beat Fury in Chisora vs Fury I on Channel 5 wasn't he, and everyone thought Fury was a joke then I'm sure if you find the thread for that fight.
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I've changed my mind on fury, how the hell he keeps getting back up from these shots is pretty amazing in itself, he's been down about 6 times in his career and lost none of the fights
 He's no Price that is for sure |
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acey deucy • November 28, 2018 10:03 PM GMT
No Offence Grant but you are probably the Worstest Boxing Judge I have ever come across...Take it from a Man who has been watching Boxing for over 40 Years Fury will get demolished.Wink GRANTCKING • November 28, 2018 10:56 PM GMT Laugh how can I take offence at a man whos clearly wrong Callisto-moon • November 28, 2018 11:11 PM GMT hes not wrong fury has zero chance, the odds on wilder are a true gift.  a few classic I forgot about |
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well done Bob, Grant and other Fury followers. You were all right.
most of all very well done to Fury. Incredible effort. All the talk about what you can do if you put your mind to it...all true. Inspiring actually. and American Pie at the press conference...what a legend. |
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Agree totally with Wolf and Des. Im not being patronising but they understand boxing.
The problem is that 98% of boxing fans dont sit down with a pen and paper, watch a fight twice and score a fight. N88UK - if you did you would find you consistently score fights differently 2nd time. `gave him R2, R9 and R12. Of these really only R12 was clear as day Wilder round that he dominated. Even R9 with the other knock down he only won it because of the knock down'. That last comment is laughable, its as of you treat a knockdown the same as Fury avoiding a jab. A knock down in a round is 99% of the time given a 10-8 round. It is round by round scoring, `The best fighter' in the whole fight or who `controls' most of the fight is completely irrelevant to the scoring. Wilder gets 4 points for the knockdowns END OF. Several of the other rounds were v close, with neither landing anything of note. It is a million miles from a robbery. I find it very hard to argue Wilder won enough rounds to win the fight but he certainly did to just about nick a draw. |
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And who youv'e bet is totally irrelevant. I scored it at home and got a small amount of my losses back by betting the draw late on. They bet evens each in the rematch which I think is too big a price for Fury.
But even if I have 20k on Fury I would score is disspationately because there are opportunities in the in-running market. |
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Boxing has gone a bit x-factor because every imbecile has an opinion on social media.
They have 8 pints, are half asleep, never normally watch boxing, watch Fury get up after 2 knock downs and claim `Robbery'. Ffs. |
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Grant did you see my written apology?
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Wilder gets 4 points for the knockdowns END OF
So without the knockdowns you had it roughly level then? The knockdowns are only worth 1 extra point each really as usually that person will win that round anyway - as with r12 but not r9 though, in other words without the knockdown r9 would have been Fury's as well. General question - is it impossible to be knocked down and draw the round, without the other being counted or does every round have to have a winner? |
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I suggest everyone here watches the fight again, ignores the ridiculous biased commentary from MSM and sits there with a pen and paper scoring each round. Ignore Fury putting his arms up at the end of each round or dancing around - its boxing not ballet dancing. You should be looking for scoring punches landing not antics of sticking out a tongue etc and it's imperative not to be influenced by idiots working for BT or radio 5 live British based commenting on a British fighter. There aren't many youtube links about so found one although you will have to ignore the prison bar special effect filter- get a cup of coffee, mute the sound and score the fight as I've done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fJcTGC5H20
Heres my scorecard Rd 1 Wilder 10 - 9 Rd 2 Wilder 10 - 9 Rd 3 Even 10 - 10 Rd 4 Fury 10 - 9 Rd 5 Even 10 - 10 Rd 6 Fury 10 - 9 Rd 7 Fury 10 - 9 Rd 8 Even 10 - 10 Rd 9 Wilder 10 - 8 Rd10 Fury 10 - 9 Rd11 Even 10 - 10 Rd12 Wilder 10 - 8 Final score Wilder 116 Fury 114 I havent commented on the mass outrage in the media but watching it without the biased commentary just confirms what I already know - the masses are asses. The rounds are very difficult to score but before commenting BS etc watch the fight with no commentary and score each round like a judge. |
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Incidentally not scoring a round 10-10 because "no one else does is fcking ridiculous" - if you can't separate the fighters dont just pick one like a pin the tail on the donkey competition or random coin toss
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You have scored the first 5 rounds 2-1 Wilder and 2 even when in those first 5 rounds Wilder landed something like 12 punches to 27 from Fury. You don't get points for punching air.
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I have no love of Wilder, Im judging the fight dispassionately with no commentary or external influences. If I thought Fury had won the fight I'd say so, but have no issues over a draw on a fight I give to Wilder by 2 points. The reality is as the poster mentioned earlier, most were just watching listening to the ridiculous British based commentary talking about shutouts.. its absolute nonsense. I suspect the forums on the American networks have the view Wilder was robbed etc. Its important to get away from the MSM crap.
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I listened to the Fight on Radio 5 Live and they had fury Winning every single round the Bias was sickening especially when I had lumped on Wilder.
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showtime had fury winning on points easily didnt they? how do you explain that? if they were gonna be biased to anyone it wouldve been their fellow yank
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wolf u gave fury 1 round out of the 1st 5? thats literally dumbfounded me unless you're trolling
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Rather than relying on what others may or may not have put why not watch the fight and score it yourselves?
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I did
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I also gave the 1st 2 rounds to Wilder, although most on here seemed to disagree. I'll look at it again later. Right now I'm still lamenting my losses. I suppose I could've seen the possibilty of a draw and mitigated my position, somewhat. But to be honest, I'm too slow for in-play trading when I'm trying to watch the fight, especially on a stream. There's no way I could've anticipated Fury getting up from the 2nd knockdown, in time to lay Wilder or put some money on Fury or the draw. I just had to leave it and hope for the best. I didn't lose too much on here, but a couple of bookie accounts will need to be replenished.
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yeh I wasnt watching UK coverage either, my stream had malinaggi commentating, that wasnt BT was it
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Fury consistently landed more power punches than Wilder virtually entire fight. Only R9 and R12 did Wilder land more power punches.
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My scoredcard was published RbR during the fight here last night, and has been repeated at least twice in past few hours. R2, R9, R12 Wilder. Rest Fury, so with 2 10-8's, 115-111 Fury.
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I accept