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Froch v Groves
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ya i was thinking that myself. hell retire. two judges had the fight level after 9 and any1 cud see the last 3 would go to froch. the ref cud have waited a bit longer but groves had lost his grip on the fight and no way he could have turned it around. think the two judges who only had groves 1 up are a joke.
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Something has to surely be done about these Hearn promotions but I doubt anything will.
Having watched the fight again I gave Groves rounds 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 - 6 to Froch, 7 to Groves, 8 just to Froch With the 10-8 round that's a 5 point difference and because the rounds were pretty clear I doubt many people had it much different. To have 2 judges having Groves ONE point up is nothing short of scandalous. Round 6 is where the fight started to change imo. Groves either through tiredness/bravado dropping his hands on the ropes giving Froch the opportunity to start landing. I'd say it was tiredness although he won the next mostly because Froch done nothing but again in the 8th he looked to be feeling the pace. The 9th he got caught with a big shot that seemed to shake him up and he got caught 2 or 3 times flush on the ropes. The stoppage was ridiculous but Froch was coming on strong and Groves was starting to get ragged and hit hard. Who knows what would of happened if it carried on. The sad thing is all this has overshadowed a fantastic fight. |
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46 boxing journalists and writers scored the fight and only 1 had it 76-75 at time of stoppage. Most had Groves 3 or 4 up and some made it 5 or 6. So 46 independent judges see it like this but the 3 actually judging the fight don't
At some point someone is going to blow the lid off of a load of dodgy dealings in boxing I'm afraid |
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Sad thing is though lads,this dodgy scoring is nothing new,and I don't think any amount of exposees in the newspapers,documentaries, whatever, are going to change a thing.
As Bert Sugar used to say ,"It's all about the money" Getting back to Froch,I wonder how much input Rob McCracken will have into Carl's future ie would Carl listen to him if Rob said to him one day in the not too distant future,come on son enough's enough. |
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Interesting to see the reaction we get from groves, he looked understandably gutted, only he knows how badly hurt he was when it was stopped.
No idea about froch's finances but I doubt he'd be able to turn down a rematch and it could sell out anywhere after last night. Knowing boxers his ego will want to prove the ref was right and his connections will dangle all sorts of carrots. I'd predict a rematch in the spring with groves to win |
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Steve, McCracken would be on a nice % in a rematch, those sort of pay days don't come along too often. A sell out on ppv at somewhere like the 02 would be massive for British boxing, it will happen
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froch is very well off, he has said all his money has been wisely invested so hes not fighting for money.
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same thing would happen tho. thats the problem. thats why i dont even want to see a rematch.even if groves had backed off from rounds 8 onwards he still would have lost on the cards. they should have 6 or 7 judges or something and average it out i dont know but its crazy the things that are happening.
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StevieB 24 Nov 13 14:32
mac and blackburn At the age of 36 I wonder how much last night's fight will take out Froch long term ... Like any fighter I wouldn't like him to overstay his welcome health wise. Groves certainly deserves another crack at someone elite level. Now I'm just asking a question here but psychologically do you think last night's contraversial ending (plus the emotional pre fight build up) will have any long term affect of Groves ? ........................................................ Stevie, its difficult to say how it will affect Groves mentally long term? He seems to be extraordinarily strong in that dept for a 25yr old man however. My main concern for him is that he learns from his mistakes on the night and thinks about what he may have done differently. He needs to accept that whilst he has concussive punching power which would put most men down/away, when you have the boxing ability he has, its sometimes best not to go full on with hard men like Froch. I really like him as a fighter, if he works hard at his training and keeps improving he will obviously be more than a handful for the best in the division. Its up to him though, nothing is given in boxing. I remember when Don King was in his heyday they used to call the judges at his promotions " All The Kings Men"  |
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Very well done macyheknife.
I was reading ur views before this fight and agreed with every word u said about the fight. U read it perfectly. And u would have been paid in any other sport. By the way lads, noway was groves hurt at the stoppage, he may have been hurt 30 secs earlier wen froch landed a cracker to the temple but had recovered. Only reason he got hit with the 2 punches is cus he was himself firing back and regained his sense and would surly have held his way at least to the end of round. Reason y I think ref robbed groves of victory was because froch himself was dead tired himself |
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Cheers Carlos,
Paddy Fitzpatrick on Sky. http://www1.skysports.com/frochgroves/story/29800/9040109/paddy |
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http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/10830928.FROCH_VS_GROVES__Swindon_s_Fitzpatrick_slams_decision_to_stop_Groves/
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Various press scoring of the fight:
Wolfgand Schiffbauer (Sturm-Promotions) : 78-73 Groves Corey Quincy (BL Boxing) : 78-73 Groves Cliff Rold (BoxingScene) : 78-73 Groves Boxing Opinions : 78-73 Groves Daniel Vano (CheckHookBoxing) : 77-74 Groves Adam Abramowitz (SaturdayNight Boxing) : 77-74 Groves Shaun Brown (Boxing-Monthly) : 78-73 Groves Alex Morris (BoxingAsylum) : 78-73 Groves Mike Coppinger (USA Today) : 77-74 Groves Dan Rafael (ESPN) : 79-72 Groves John Wharton (Brit Box Magazine) : 78-73 Groves Phil D Jay (WorldBoxingNews) : 78-73 Groves Matt Christie (Boxing News) : 78-74 Groves David Greisman (BoxingScene) : 77-74 Groves Ron Lewis (The Times) : 77-74 Groves Tim Starks (The Queensberry Rules) : 78-73 Groves Kurt Ward (BoxingAsylum) : 78-73 Groves Billy Ferguson (UKFighthype) : 79-72 Groves The Boxing Tribune : 78-73 Groves Danny Flexen (Boxing News) : 77-74 Groves Paul Daley (TopClassBoxing) : 78-73 Groves Rachel Aylett (RingNews24) : 78-74 Groves Steve Bunce (Boxnation TV) : 78-73 Groves Alex Marasco (TopClassBoxing) : 79-71 Groves Jamie Borne (TopClassBoxing) : 78-73 Groves Stevie Adams (TopClassBoxing) : 78-73 Groves Jim Watt (Sky Sports TV) : 78-73 Groves Victor M Salazar (ThaBoxingVoice) : 78-73 Groves Pro Boxing Fans.com : 77-74 Groves Steve Kim (Maxboxing) : 78-73 Groves Ryan Bivins (SweetBoxing) : 78-73 Groves ForzaBoxing : 78-73 Groves Lyle Fitzsimmons (BoxingScene) : 76-75 Groves Ciaran Shanks (Irvine Times) : 79-72 Groves Matthew Mojica (TheFightSource) : 77-74 Groves Corey Erdman (Wealth TV) : 78-73 Groves Darren Velasco (FightDomain) : 77-74 Groves FightHype.com : 78-73 Groves Christopher Carlson (RopeaDopeRadio) : 78-73 Groves Ryan Maquinana (BoxingScene) : 77-74 Groves UKFighthype.com :78-73 Groves Kasim Aslam (UKFighthype) : 78-73 Groves FightScene SouthAfrica : 78-73 Groves Ramon Aranda (3MoreRounds) : 77-74 Groves BoxingSocialist.com : 77-74 Groves Beau Denison (TheBoxingTruth) : 78-74 Groves |
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the stoppage from the reverse angle...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ1Sk_WNw6Y a terrible stoppage? Not for my money, a touch premature maybe but Groves was turning away arms limp by his sides, I can see why Foster jumped in. |
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Like many thousands of others, I was shocked by the suddenness of the refs intervention.
The 2 judges who had Groves 1pt ahead at the time should`nt be let near a boxing event, they are either incompetent or worse. |
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Looking back on this thread fair play to you mac you called it just about spot on. I'll need to pay more attention to your opinions.
Still be laughing at the Gers though |
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Mac definitely made me eat humble pie.
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well Mac's faith that Groves could cut it at the top level was certainly proved correct. I really didn't think he was ready for it and well, maybe he still wasn't quite in the end.
It's also worth mentioning that the 1st round kd must have massively affected Froch's performance. Really it was a miracle he got up it looked like the lights were out till he hit the canvas. A concussive blow like that has to affect your performance. |
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Even though Groves turned away that was nothing new , he had done it on a few occasions during the fight when escaping.
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I agree with Wallis.
Got to feel for George. http://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIm5lpNSBn8AbbV2BQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBzdmtvYW9lBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDMjA-?p=george+groves+v+Froch+youtube&vid=64d009aa52c5d4f43f168879c4992d45&l=7%3A36&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DVJ.345293980059%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DkXw3oYKKN3A&tit=GEORGE+GROVES+POST+FIGHT+INTERVIEW+%2F+REACTION+TO+FROCH+v+...&c=19&sigr=11a74ljqt&sigt=11sb9t6ts&age=0&hsimp=yhs-004&hspart=Babylon&tt=b |