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Froch v Groves
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Martinez? jimmy.
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no point arguing with jimmy,he knows everything about the game
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smelt the shyte coming when the ref didn,t deduct CF a point ,and it could of been 2 but he decided to warn them both ,utter rollocks
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I'm with you jimmy...the fight played out as most purists expect...groves came out fast/Froch came out slow...just how fast he did surprised most...Froch was coming through and he was executing his 12 round plan, whereas Groves appeared to be deviating from his...
But we will never know how it would have panned out and that is the tragedy of tonight.... |
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and the end of a round does not signify that a fighter is going to be recovered at the start of the next round. using the defense that the round was nearly over when the knockdown happened to suggest he could hang on to till the end of the round only gives credence to the idea that he actually was very hurt when the knockdown happened. so there's another contradiction
Not really Razz, Froch is known for his recovery ability and the incredible punishment he can take. Was he out on his feet in round 2???? Not at all, lost round 2 for sure but wasnt on the edge of getting stopped. Groves was getting weaker from 7 onwards and Froch had took massive punishment and was still piling forward........poor stoppage but only 1 or 2 shots early. |
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David's thing shut up Khan
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tbf it's nothing new. Boxing is about money - things like this have been happening for years. Hearn is no different - Both of Burns' last 2 fights have been farcical, as was this stoppage. Sauerland's fights have many questionable decisions also as do arum's.
Unfortunately that's just the sport nowadays. UFC looks like going down the same road also. |
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we all know froch is a warrior but his chin should'nt be used as a scapegoat imo, boxing is about landing more and better shots not who can take the most
Rubbish. Boxings over 12 rounds in a championship bout. If someone wants to land better shots and get a decision thats fair enough. If someone wants to use their chin to take shots and try wearing the opponent down then thats also fair enough. I can understand peoples frustration at the stoppage but i think we are missing an important point.........skill wise it was poor from Froch...............but you wont see a bigger display of toughness, guts and mental strength in a boxing ring anywhere. |
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Yeah Jimmy would have been a cracker of a fight if it played out like you thought it would. Unfortunatley it didn't and we're all robbed of a great fight because an incompetent referee.
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"Froch is known for his recovery ability and the incredible punishment he can take"
Yeah and Groves shouldve been allowed to show his recovery ability and what punishment he can take but he never got that chance did he! |
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Would love to see Froch fight Golovkin. Will never happen though.
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golovkin would finish froch. Have no doubt in my mind he would carry the power as he steps up - special fighter.
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Can see Froch giving up one of his belts allowing Groves to fight for the vacant belt hence avoiding the rematch,hand picking a couple of ageing opponents then retiring.Think he'll be avoiding young speedy fighters for the rest of his career which can't last 2 more fights.
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froch was beating exposed fighters be honest
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I think this fight showed us, how one sided a fight with joe would of been
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You wonder how much belief Groves will have for a rematch.
Groves fought to the absolute best of his abilities and although ahead on points, he couldn't stop Froch. Even if it wasn't stopped early, he was done and it would have been over eventually. Before the fight, he genuinely believed he could knock Froch out or stop him. Now he's tried and failed. Can he truly make himself believe again that he can overcome Froch? |
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Agree treble, all this talk of Groves will be better next time, can't see it.
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Agreed.
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froch getting older will give him more confidence, with more discipline he could of hung in there a lot better in the later rounds, dunno if he will improve much but his gameplan sure will. i think he can take a lot of positives out of this, so much so he might have more belief than he did this time. personally i think froch might of stopped him eventually if it continued but you can't say that like it's a fact. only groves knows how hurt he was at the end. if there is a rematch groves's confidence going into it might determine the answer to that
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I would beg steal and borrow to back Froch @ 4/6 in a rematch.
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and so it begins....ladbrokes up with the rematch. Froch 1/2 draw 33 Groves 6/4....
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IMO a lot of people have lumped on Froch @1/4 expecting an easy night's work , and feeling a little silly about that given the course of the fight are now having to justify themselves by arguing that the outcome was inevitable , even if it had been a little later
They got lucky |
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V good point Tober. The problem with discussing any sporting event at this forum is that u don't know whose opinion is clouded by what they have bet and not what has actually played out.
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Never in any doubt
 I have to say for me Groves possibly threw it away. He was perfect for 5 or 6 rounds until he decided he wanted to go toe to toe. He was in control keeping it at range picking Froch off. Fair play to Froch he realised he didn't have the footwork to get close to Groves so accepted his best opportunity was to let Groves hit him with the right hand get over confident and then come banging back. At the end of the 6th or 7th you could see Groves visibly start to tire. Foster couldn't wait to jump in (nice one Howard) but if you watch the round again earlier he got caught with a massive shot which shook him to his boots. Froch may have finished him off anyway but no one knows. I do wonder if Froch should maybe call time. He's been in some massive wars and there's only so many times you can get caught flush before serious damage could be done. As I said for me he had to put his jaw there for the taking in front of Groves to get him to engage and that can't be a good thing. I also wonder if Groves is slightly flattered by the performance. Yes he showed good movement and power but it's not everyday he'll face someone who looked so slow with their hands at their waist. You could see why Booth and Groves believed he was made for him. If I was Froch I wouldn't go anywhere near a rematch. |
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Indeed , and as you might have guessed i did back Groves.
Arguing about the stoppage is one thing , but saying that even if it had carried on from there , and even if Groves had got through the round , Froch was always going to stop him eventually is just people trying to convince themselves that their winning bet was a good bet , when rationally they should be admitting they got out of jail there. Yes Froch is not beaten till he's beaten and he could still have won in the 11th/12th even if Groves was looking fresh in the 9th . But we don't know that would have happened . And people are disregarding any capacity that Groves has for recovery .... he was in a worse state vs Kenny Anderson and not only recovered bt knocked him out a couple of rounds later . |
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I would not be backing Froch at 1/2 now to win a possible rematch unless you don't like money. Any rematch would surely be on Groves terms. Froch needs a rematch more than Groves. If a rematch did happen the fact that Groves would even take a rematch would make him favourite in my book. The mistake anyone betting Froch at 1/2 bow for a rematch would be to think the same two boxers will be stepping into the ring for any rematch.
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I have to say as well Jim Watt's commentary has never bothered me before but that was a total disgrace and hopefully the last we'll hear of him. He was so bias toward Groves it was unreal. Him and Halling kept mentioning Froch should be deducted points without once commenting once on Groves use of the head.
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tobermory
I can't remember the round but the knockdown against Anderson was early if memory serves me right. Tonight he seemed to me to be tiring from about the sixth and quite markedly so during the eighth. He could have weathered the storm but the visual impression I got was that he was finished when the ref stepped in. That isn't to say that the ref couldn't have given him a bit longer to confirm it. |
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Noticed on Sky that Adam Booth was comforting George after the fight.
Judging by his reaction at ringside the split must have had an affect, though he could`nt admit it pre-fight. Anyone think they will ever get back together? |
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Think your bang on Tober. Nobody knows what would have happened without the ridiculous stoppage. Froch may have had him down and out and we would be hailing him as a fantastic champion for turning around the fight or Groves may have recovered to win the fight showing that he can also come back from a solid shot and we would be hailing him as the future of British boxing. Instead the ref **** everyone by his ridiculous decision to step in.
The frustrating thing is before the fight one of the big questions was whether Groves would be able to take Frochs big shots when he did manage to land. Would he be able to take them and recover or would Froch have him out of there when he did manage to land? Most people thought it would be earlier than that but that was one of the main questions. We never got the chance to find out because the first time Froch had him in trouble the ref used it as an excuse to jump in which makes the whole fight pointless. |
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groves was in total control rom the 1st bell,the fight was stopped because froch couldent of won,a fight for the wwf fans,boxing stinks,it was a world title fight for ffs.
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he wasnt in total control in the 2nd half the fight, dont be ridiculous. the ref(bent promoter) robbed everyone of a satisfactory conclusion.
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Apart from the commentary ,I enjoyed the fight .I put my hands up and admit I was wrong about Groves . I think it was an excellent performance from the lad.Froch showed what a tough man he is .It's a shame it ended that way . As for two of the judges ... well I'm not too sure they were watching the same fight as me.
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Couldn't hear the commentary the pub was packed but that has to be the worst decision I've seen in British boxing. Well never know who would have won but I'd have my last penny on groves in a rematch, froch looked like he knew he'd got out of jail in the interview.
Massive respect to groves I thought he fought a great fight, to be beaten in that manner must be gut wrenching. |
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Groves stated on Sky Sports that he would`nt change anything for a possible rematch and that his working relationship with Adam Booth is over.
I dont see it happening in the immediate future. Froch probably has 2 more fights left in him max, not sure what boxing politics would allow at this point but Id imagine he would want a 3rd tear up with Kessler as his next outing if possible? Groves could take on a fight at top level in the interim then if both were successful they could fill a major sporting arena on ppv with Eddie Hearn on a real earner further down the line. |
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mac and blackburn
At the age of 36 I wonder how much last night's fight will take out Froch long term ... Like any fighter I wouldn't like him to overstay his welcome health wise. Groves certainly deserves another crack at someone elite level. Now I'm just asking a question here but psychologically do you think last night's contraversial ending (plus the emotional pre fight build up) will have any long term affect of Groves ? |
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i really cant see a rematch, if anything froch will retire
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