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yer ma,Power has a lot of quality a goodish walker who stands about 15.3hh,I'd say he's a touch top heavy fee wise but that's for you to decide really.A smashing new sire is Tally-Ho's Sir Pracealot thought he was one of the best moving stallions I've seen,he's sure to be commercial.Born To Sea is another impressive new sire and again nailed on to be commercial,personally I'd rather him than Power.For those who have not seen him yet he's a link have a look at this and lets see what you think.
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Thanks for bringing that video to our attention Prima. I am on a bit of a Born to Sea kick at the moment but I just can't fall in love with him quite yet (unlike Mayson who was a great I.S. commercial stamp bar the front legs). BTS certainly doesn't seem to have that problem from the video. You have seen him have you? Can you elaborate your thoughts?
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Yes Pot M I have seen him and I liked him he is a good walking colt with real class.He's not perhaps the most early looking sort but he's a sharper sort than STS,he has a deep girth more so than Mayson who maybe wont himself get early 2 y'olds.At their fee's of 10k euro and 8k sterling so for you there nothing in it I know where my money would be going and its good to know BTS's connections have plenty enough set aside to support his stock in the ring along with sending him decent mares,it all helps.
And it's true I will indeed be spending time somewhere hot very shortly,I will be back but not for about 6 weeks at my age there's only so much wet and cold weather I can take.I'm looking forward to it,happy Christmas 'T' along with our best wishes for the new year,T and C. ![]() |
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Hope you get this message before you leave Prima as I shall wish you well too for the festivities which I hope you will all spend round a very traditional Irish fire with your nearest and dearests. I must say that a proper christmas followed by an escape to the sun is one way I shall spend my millions when I am no longer Potential
![]() I am not going near Mayson, too scarey for me but I reckon some people will get away with it. However his front wheels looked dyed in the wool Pivotal to me so I reckon they will come through with some frequency. I sold a colt recently from the sireline so obviously wouldn't mind repeating the exercise. Even though they couldn't be more different types it would be a good to tap into a ton of pedigree as her 1st efforts without great pedigreed sires was a little uninspiring and she has two uninspiring sires close up as you know!I must say though eu8k would suit me better. |
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I may be doing an aboutfas re. BTS I was impressed with the presence and walk. I'd be hedging my bets by sending a mare not having to get a pure 2yo. I like Power but getting the right package is everything with Coolmore. Tally Ho dont want to know re. deals (for us anyhow). We've been floating back to more 'proven' sires given derth of newbies. Merry Xmas & GL to all.
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(waiting for turkey to cook)
Yer Ma, have agreed with your views quite a bit in the past, but "derth of newbies" I dont think so! Cant remember a stronger year for new sires, especially around the 7-10k bracket. England alone is packing a heavy new punch for 2013. cast your mind back to 2012 newbies....Poets Voice (full), Dick Turpin (no thanks), and fresh air.....! Here's to more Good to Firm in 2013. Merry Christmas Wily |
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Sorry correction
5th MOST POPULAR thread on here (in terms of number of posts - 126). 2nd MOST POPULAR thread on here with 6,557 views. |
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Went to Darley for their open day and liked the look of Sepoy. Very strong individual, but needless to say he is full, even if I could afford him!
Have heard from a breeder who went to Whitsbury that he was surprised how much quality Foxwedge has. Far better looking than his dad apparently (not hard!) Any word on Delegator? |
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Well Wily, were you the chap on thursday with the red carnation and the tartan waistcoat?
I thought as much. Did you recognise me in the Homburg and with the tortoiseshell cigarette holder? ![]() I think I have nailed all the British 1st seasoners now and Helmet from the Irish crowd. Delegator is a little on the leg and toes in with odd shaped feet. However, and it's a big however, he has plenty of quality and is as good a walker as you will ever see. Great temperament, good head and when he comes towards you you would think he is actually correct, so clean he is through said front limbs. I will probably gamble him. Foxwedge. If you like what you know about him but haven't seen him then worry not. Just get on and sign the contract. I am keen on Sepoy too. Can't believe how deep I am looking to be dragged down by the Aussies!! |
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Yes, I always wear a red carnation on a Thursday, busted.
My only query with Delegator is why Darley didnt want to stand him themselves? Wondered whether it was due to conformation, as on paper more exciting than Casamanto. Here what you say on Foxwedge. My contact is unbelievably picky, but he's sending a mare so he must be good looking! |
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Apparently Sam Bullard says that there isn't the market for a cheap type of stallion in Newmarket. Who knows, but I would have thought that he doesn't quite add up for Dalham Hall and I feel happier with him elsewhwere rather than being their cheapo dealing horse.
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I see there are only 2 new stallions going to the TBA stallion parade. Seems a little strange, thought it would be more worthwhile taking them than dragging out the likes of Cockney Rebel who we've all seen.
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I think they didn't want Delegator because it would be a constant reminder of how they messed him up.
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PotM, saw Delegator for the first time today, your description of him was spot on. I did like him. Not sure about Mayson against the rest of the bunch. Thought Foxwedge looked very well.
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Phew Wily! Although it sounds as if I liked Mayson more than you, with the many provisos ofcourse. Foxwedge has just the one fault - Nationality! One fault isn't enough to put me off using him though and I am still of a dither about Delegator.
I didn't go near Tatts yesterday as I am overstocked as it is. It's not a sale that ever seems to work for me, though I don't discount selling there ever. |
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was at tatts yesterday
all stallions turned out well mayson hasnt really got any better looking since i seen him in dec.front feet one heading west one east. foxwedge looked well-maybe not the biggest but long. good enough looking horse. delegator looked well and i think looks like the best bet of first season sires to use (good looks,pedigree,speed ,race record,price)ticks alot of boxs and he is very well known in uk where he raced alot. the rest we have seen before. |
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Frankel gets mare in foal....PHEW.
Now I can start planning my 2014 matings to him with confidence! but seriously, this is great news for the Brittish breeding industry, we have a stronger depth of GB stallions than ever before. |
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Has anybody here seen Requinto? I wasn't taken be another Dansili originally but I like the fact his dam was a group 1 winning 2yo and he's situated quite close to me, however I haven't a chance to go and have a look,
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Well I'll answer my own question as I managed to have a look at him, he looks like a small bull, nailed on 2yo but cant imagine they'll come to much after that, possibly thats what the market wants now. Yeats was in the box beside him, real classy looking horse, is there no hope for him?
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As they say ovalu, if you want something doing. . .
I have not seen Requinto so couldn't help you but now you can help us! Any further elaborations? Some of his ilk knit well with a slightly stouter type of mare and with his pedigree he might just get types with a bit more scope perhaps. Of course there is hope for Yeats. He has the same sort of profile as Montjeu and he did okay. He has had enough mares to help him if he's good enough. Of course there is no room really for his type if he just turns out to be a 'servicable' type of sire it's top notch or jumping really for him, and whilst right now he's laying down the foundations for the latter, he could conceivably Uturn. I suppose those in the know (not me) have seen enough of his youngstock have decided NH is the likelehood but stranger things have happened. Where are those two? Is CastleHyde still the venue for their types? |
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Unfortunately PM I am a complete novice at this game so I wouldn't have the knowledge to give
you an indepth report on his conformation, however I didn't notice any obvious faults, he looked to me like an Angus bull if that makes sense, he's all muscle and he kind of shuffles along compared to Yeats who was a classy walker, they claimed he's 15'3, well if he is its on his tippy toes. They're in Castlehyde along with Choisir and Alfred Nobel |
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it's funny how he smaller ones seem to stand so readily on their tiptoes when the measuring stick appears, yet the big'uns seem to just as readily be able to bend their knees at the approprite moment!
Sounds like Requinto will have to be off and running Brockelsby onwards in 2016. . . |
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Requinto will get sharp looking foals and mrs Ma says he walks fine. If you thought he looked like a bull can't think what you made of Choisir, did he have a ring through his nose?
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As Prima Donna appears to be on leave at the moment (hopefully nothing more worrying than that Prima) I feel I can have a bit of a b1tch about the cheap speedies!
Are you likely to use Requinto ovalu? Are you heading in that direction too yer ma? I know there's money to be made with the cheap speedsters but it's my experience that a bit of scope and quality is where the proper money lies. I would be looking for ways to try and expand on his small and set physique ovalu. Don't send him a short coupled tiddler for sure. yer ma, you are older and uglier like myself so you don't need my pontifications. Has Mrs Ma done a good tour of any others that we can learn from her dropped pearls. . .? |
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Yes I may use him as has been said he looks like he'll get early fast types and I have a strong taller mare who I think might work with him, I wasn't saying there was anything wrong with his walk yer ma, perhaps I phrased it wrong but he walked like you'd expect a compact muscular speedster to, as opposed to the more elegant strut of a middle distance type, why he reminded me of a bull was due to his muscular shoulders and torso
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We've one trying now, part of a package deal and frankly the other Coolmore cheapies arent viable imo. The mares a big strong thing but not produced anything so far so if its a nice fast looking colt then fine, otherwise it'll clearly be a struggle. I loved Damson and I'd probably argue looks wise I had a better chance (at much less money) getting something attractive by Dansili line than say Zoffany or Delegator.
Power & Pour Moi look the business. RVW is lovely looking but not as imposing as you might imagine (from photos), I think he might be a bit variable produce wise but the hype is on for sure. I've always liked HRE but back up around 20k isnt giving you a chance. Born to Sea has a lot of quality (fancy that), enough to forget about his performance (shhhh) |
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How is Excellebration getting on? heard he was off games for a while.
Any noises from any first season sires with runners? Didnt expect AO'B to have so many early types ready for the first 2yo race at the Curragh on Sunday. |
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No Pot M I'm not on leave I've been following this thread but lately I've had lots of things that needed my full attention,I've not had the time to reply really.I'd agree with your point that a bit of scope and quality is where the real money lies but if its possible to combine that with preciosity then its hard not to see a highly commercial package.Of the new cheaper sires available one who stands out is the Tally-Ho based Sir Prancealot,Have any of you seen him?Requinto seriously lacks scope imo I cant see him getting anything more than fast early sorts with no class but we will have to wait and see.Dansili as I've said before many times can get good sorts but he also can get plenty of not so good ones,his brother Champs Elysees the same,that's always a thought when it comes to using a son of his.
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It's no good asking for your old job back now Prima, you've got to let it go. . .
![]() Surely, you're getting a little divi from that nice Warren anyway. (I'm sure this isn't what has been preoccupying you, but I was looking for a chance to mention it! )I am wary of the inconsistent Dansili but am having a go with a slightly ill bred one local to me anyway. We shall see ![]() Thanks for your comments yer ma on your recent viewing exersise. I hope Mrs ma didn't have you shelling out too much at the K club whilst you were there! |
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Much as I'd like to think I could still do my 'old job'I'm more than old enough to know I'd only make a fool of myself,much as my ego tells me otherwise,so I have 'let it go'you will be pleased to hear that I'm sure!Little 'divies' are always welcome you know that too.I think you are still wearing your Colombo rain coat
Good luck with the son of Dansili you are sending one of your mares to,he should be well received next year.How is that mare who lost her foal?Is she booked in yet to anything?And hows the colt from the northern one now are you pleased with him?See his daughter has been flying the flag again and should go on again with a bit of luck.Her bro' has had the same treatment and connections are hopeful of a return to top class form,if all comes good you should get a healthy return,I hope you do as you yourself pointed out I do have expensive tastes esp' with champagne,unlike you I don't drink Fanta!!! Anyone see or using Sayif?Completely dismissed this sire but he has a very good book of mares,a surprisingly good book.I perhaps should of given him more serious thought. |
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No my Dirty raincoat isn't really on, but as the old firm has been in the news I was reminded of your time back there. Tell you what though, I'm making a lot of blEEding raincoats dirty in this feck awful 'spring' that's refusing to spring.
First cover of the year came up empty on wednesday so that hasn't improved my mood either. At least today she appears to be coming back into season though god knows why she should. The mare who lost her foal is out in the field (with a rug on I hasten) as I thought that her mental health was paramount. She had a good foal heat and as she always foals up to a week early I thought I would let her have a couple of seasons and look at her middle of next month. As I was made a good offer - and I mean good! - to return to a stallion I thought I would take it as then there is no significant expense involved should she fancy making a habit of foals that expire. It's a risk, but I think I'm happy with it. No problems with the foal you refer to. It's a constant improver with a bit of presence and a great walk so bay colt with two white feet and a white star is always a good starting point! I would seriously like the brother and sister to have a good season though. I thought a lot about Sayif as I believe him to be a nice type but I was very disappointed with the way the Stimulation foals 'took off'. Same stud, same pedigree profile, good looking. But as someone said on here (and forgive me for not crediting the poster - crap memory) it's a son of Kheleyf with a dodgy race record not Danzig. . . Obviously, the owners of Sayif are powerful and at the moment appear very committed. A salient point for sure. Have you Prima had anything this year that has exceeded your expectations or any big disappointments? Is your F/C ratio improving. Oh, I don't drink Fanta, but if I am buying, I can't afford for us both to dring the best champagne so I just assumed you as a gentleman wouldn't mind pulling on that tinny ring ![]() |