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AoB is becoming a bit of a caricature sound-bite wise. Surprised he said Camelot the best he's ever trained. Still hasnt beat a proper good horse home and plenty average ones have been too close. He's now a miler / 10f horse apparently - just as well a certain miler / 10f horse is retiring.
Think people are overegging the steriod-use a bit. No evidence to back that up - think we need to accept they produce breed and train sprinters better at the moment. Likewise their mile plusers are generally inferior. |
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I think Ballydoyle needs to have a sniff of the roses too. Excelebration and St Nick are very good horses but it is not a vintage era at the yard and Camelot flying by what they have to offer at home perhaps is the reason they have always been a little to inclined to label him Pegasus.
Brave to keep him in training though - that does seem to indicate they are pretty convinced. . . |
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Well Coolmore really is due for a big clearout. Four announcements today, confirm part of the way they are going to re-stock.
I'm beside myself with whizzing little grey cells!! |
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Must be confirmed Forum watchers - we (well I plus someone I think) ask for HTN back and they oblige. But price is the key factor as always - I presume this is the sprint sire they teased mrs Yer Ma with.
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what about Imperial Monarch, could he get a berth anywhere. I think he would get plenty of mares if he was priced right.
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not staying in training?
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ok MM, but I think he may be popular if they stood him next year. if he stays in training it will be a NH berth for him
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Mayson to Cheveley Park. What is he worth?
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"Mayson to Cheveley Park. What is he worth?"
Probably not as much as they will charge for him.... I used first season Cheveley Sires for two or three years a fair while back with decent proven mares, having been assured they would support their stallions.... yeah, right! |
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Casamento?
(not my cup of tea I think) Casper Netscher? He might have legs. Sensible fee level and he was a good 2yo who trained on. Where are we on Dutch Art, Forumites? |
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Can't get excited about either of those PM and I'm not overly impressed with anything new for next year. Yet.
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Totally agree with WinningColours - which makes even more praiseworthy the commercial performance of DA and Kyllachy. They cant sell their own well and do nothing to help breeders. At least CN fee is decent - hope that gives some perspective to fees for Power, Strong Suit, Bated Breath, Foxwedge, Helmet. All of these should be 5-12k. Sepoy I fear will be out of my bracket. Seem to me to be a lot of Shamardals going for moderate money give stellar fee - risky going for a not terribly speedy 2yo only son.
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J.M. I sense a massive great 'I told you so' coming on when the good Duke of Warrener announces his new horse. But you can't because you haven't! I'm struggling to think what could possibly retire and be impressive really.
You mention Strong Suit yer ma, have I missed something? Plenty of connection between Warren and Redvers over the years. . . I'm not anti Cheveley. They do a fair ammount of publicity, buy the odd one and their horses seem to find a market unless they are true horrors. my only moan is that they are always a bob or two over zealous with their fees. |
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Carlton House?
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Oh Lordy
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I see CASPAR NETSCHER is going Morristown Lattin for €7,500. We're still in a recession, he's a G2 performer - my take is that is too much.
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Can't believe the fee for Caspar, quite ridiculous, and don't even get me started on Sixties Icon's fee hike.
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Thought it would be interesting to see the RP ratings for all horses worldwide from 5-6 furlongs this year. I know its a very basic exercise, but it does drive home how poor European sprinters are these days.
I have typed 2013 stallion prospects in capitals for interest; 130 — Black Caviar 6 m Bel Esprit AUS 129 — Hay List 7 g Statue Of Liberty AUS 125 — FOXWEDGE 4 c Fastnet Rock AUS 124 — Atlantic Jewel 4 f Fastnet Rock AUS 124 — Little Bridge 6 g Faltaat HK 123 — Rain Affair 5 g Commands AUS 122 — Pierro 3 c Lonhro AUS 122 - SOCIETY ROCK 5 h Rock Of Gibraltar GB 121 — Atomic Force 7 g Danehill Dancer AUS 121 - BATED BREATH 5 h Dansili GB 121 — Eagle Regiment 5 g El Moxie HK 121 — Lord Kanaloa 4 c King Kamehameha JPN 121 - MAYSON 4 c Invincible Spirit GB 121 - Ortensia 7 m Testa Rossa AUS 121 — Pinwheel 7 g Lonhro AUS 121 - SEPOY 4 c Elusive Quality GB 120 — Buffering 5 g Mossman AUS 120 — Fiddlers Patriot 6 g Proud Citizen USA 120 - Gordon Lord Byron 4 g Byron 120 — Joy And Fun 9 g Cullen HK 120 - Let Me Fight 5 g Hawk Wing HK 120 — Moonlight Cloud 4 f Invincible Spirit FR |
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I think the list proves how poor sprinters are period.
Though there seems very little to offer from elswhere in terms of stallions either. |
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Rio de la Plata.
I'm really pleased that this fellow has got a berth at Logis. He is too quirky to stand a chance over here as our narrow commercial parameters preclude him from floating enough boats. But tough and talented over a long period of time with an interesting pedigree background it will be fascinating to see how he gets on. A long shot, sure, but if it came off we'd all have something to think about! |
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Does anyone know how much the Whitsbury sires are going to be for next year esp'Foxwedge?Poor old Rio,any real appeal now long gone,along with the vanished Delagator.
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I'm hopeful that the quirky Frenchies will give Rio a go so we can see Prima. I shalln't be going myself!
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Isn't it nice of the French to be a rare breed gene repository though
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Requinto was the sprint stallion they couldnt tell us about a few weeks back. It didnt need a drum roll. Nice page but cant see why they (the world) need another moderate performing Dansili son. Could hardly sell a Strategic Prince this year. Sound of barrels being scraped in Tipperary.
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has there been a recent competition launched on most boring new stallion announcement? Casamento, Requinto.....
Think the above will struggle in what looks to be the most competitive generation of new recruits for years. Particularly in the speed division; Excelebration, Sepoy, Foxwedge, Bated Breath etc. |
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Requinto looks like he'll be a league below the others fee wise though doesn't he? Perhaps that will give him a niche.
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(continuing from my last post) Move over, we have a winner....... Dragon Pulse!
An average miler ex of a Croco Rouge mare. Amazed that INS are dealing with this sort of horse. Think Famous Name is an admirable type of racehorse, but I wouldnt have guessed DP if I'd had a thousand guesses. |
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Wily......I'll see your Dragon Pulse and raise you a Steele Tango (new to Lodge Farm for 2013)!
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Wow, Steele Tango. I can only assume he will be dual purpose:
1 As a teaser 2 To keep the goat company. |
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Good God - An announced stud fee. Where will it all end
So Harbour Watch at £7500. Presumably the 500 can be removed but wot do we think. |
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Highclere backed down from getting new horse for next year and with Motivator en Francais they're down to one for 2013.
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Sayif (yes, Sayif - look him up, what do you mean you've never heard of him?) to LLety for 3K.
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Tell me if i'm wrong, but following this thread, and it seems the industry is sending very moderate animals to stud this year, which could have a poor legacy in 5/6 years time is this a fair comment or have i got it totally wrong?
*moderate animals in the context of not what you would expect the standard to be |
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Sayif's actually not got as bad a record as some of the suspects on this thread but qhy have a 'son of' a stallion that is 4k himself. Nonsense if you ask me.
I feel I may be forced to get involved with DR if that money is right PotM. He looked a serious horse, although clearly the cloakndagger about his injury is a concern. CunningP - the issue this year appears that at the lower end the entrants appear sub-standard but several good/great ones going to stud. |
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How can computers be so great , when I have just spent 1/2 an hour typing some true pearls only for the f'ing thing to shut down just as I was about to press the button. I'll never get that part of my life back will I?
I feel I may be forced to get involved with DR - How that rang true yer ma! Fact is, we don't get many of his type standing over here and he would need to be 5k euros or less in Ireland for us if we were to ship over there at an equivalent. I worry about the sire - plenty of potential to p1ss people off in the coming seasons. Ditto the Not Sold as a yearling Ditto the unsoundness. D R is a plus point though. I have bred 2 stakes winners and a stakes placed using his sires and have never had any problems with him. Qatar is a major new force and I have no doubt that the end of this month will see some serious support for the Makfi foals at Tatts too. Sayif was bred by friends of mine and he was a serious looking horse - 200k yrlg if memory serves, so not to be dismissed out of hand perhaps. I am currently on a Sepoy kick. Would you trust him to knit with a stouter sort of mare or is he just sprint sprint sprint. What does any one think of him? |
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Just read the R.P. bit about Sayif. He was NOT bred by Crimbourne Stud. RP incompetence strikes again.
Stimulations first produce's venture to the sales will be a telling point with regard to thoughts on using Sayif next spring for sure. |
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Harbour Watch
at that price ask yourselves this,if you get a filly and we all have that risk esp' with mares in this stallions range would you be certain to get any return?With all your costs I reckon you'd need 13/14k to get out alone,let alone a healthy profit.I'm not so sure you would,how many filly foals make that sort of money in that sire's price range with mares at his level.Sayif..........no thanks! |
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i think I would prefer Bated Breath to Sayif. I think that Showcasing may be a really good gamble for a third season sire. He should be gettable at 3k.
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Agree with the gist of "Yer Ma" a couple of posts ago; why go to a 3k stallion by a 5k stallion (sayif)? when you can go to a 4k stallion by an 85k stallion (Showcasing)? or a 10k stallion by a 75k stallion (Poet's Voice)?
simple....but valid i think. |