New Sires 2013

Think if the Coolmore lads had this chap he would have been in the region of 12 Euros. But imagine more likely around 8-9k in England

Still no word on the alleged new Highclere horse. Is it possible both camps were going for this horse and giving off the same vibes!?

St Nicholas Abbey and sell Treasure Beach ala Rip Van Winkle.

good point but as you can see nearly all below have had no runners apart from mn and ss who are first season.

i think the newmarket studs have cut back due to the big fall in foal numbers hence they need to have less stallions for a few years.

also there was so few new stallions anywhere this year so maybe next year we will see more off a choice off new stallions -but its a maybe as mare numbers are very low for all the stallions already there.

this years first season sires have had very few runners except ss and dom  -all the rest have had less than 30 runners which is very low -last year dark angel,dutch art,red clubs,excellent art ,amadeus wolf,teofilo all had over 50 runners +

is there less foals being breed or less 2 year olds in training ??

I'd settle for a good value Dansili too truehoncho.

Last year was a bad year for cheap and cheerful retirees that stand a chance and it looks like 2013 is heading the same way. We'll see what Highclere come up with and then Mayson can be considered at £3500. Alternatively at £7500 we can have a good laugh as we turn the brochure page.

Who knows if it is Born to Sea going to Highclere.He does hold enough appeal,he is after all a half brother to CH sire Galileo and a son of Invincible Spirit who has done well this year.I wonder do any of you see them standing yet another son of Urban Sea here in Ireland?I'm not so sure,I can indeed see him standing in the UK,or even further afield.

JohnnyM., give us a clue!!

Prima, I am with you on Born To Sea, as i was wondering too whether he would be better placed out of Ireland. Although he hardly stacks up as competition to his two half brothers I just think an alternative venue might suit.

I wasn't blown away by Helmet in July at Darley's jamboree. A streaky coarse type of animal. I think in what photos I have seen that Sepoy looks a nicer more commercial type. If you want to find the next Flying Spur/Danewin/Hurricane Sky/Choisir that is.

Hi PotM, in truth, I'm not 100% sure who is is but he has yet to run his last race.

The one out of the Green Desert Mare? I can see the logistics (pun intended) of getting involved with that owner, although I'm not so sure he can sustain his spending power for years to come. Thought he's been a bit quiet recently, will be interesting to see if he buys at Goffs or Book 1.

Yes the one out of a Green Desert mare. The one that would have been commercial if they had retired him last year. Perhaps the Owner could do with the buying assistance of the Lord.....All the birds were tweeting that Carlton House available as a free gift. As for spending power, with rising fuel costs we all need to think how long we can sustain things.

Bated Breath, it's official then.

As a 1st season fan I will have to see this chap. Infact I already find myself giving him plenty of thought which is strange indeed given his lack of 2yo form. Another indictment of the Australian fodder we have been offered up to now.
Juddmonte are so damn extravagent with their valuations too so I am not sure there will be much by way of value, although I gather they may have another prospect waiting in the wings. Perhaps that feller could subsidise BB!

PotM, feeling the same as you over BBreath as the only thing that's missing is 2yo form. very keen on him nonetheless.

Think we're being a bit short sighted over the Australian lot though. Bated Breath Timeform rated 125 and never won a Group 1. The Auzzie trio rated 127, 128, 129 and all 3 won top Group 1's. Think we need to wake up and realise us Europeans do not lead the way when it comes to sprinting.

ps. Strong Suit is still hanging around like a bad smell, off to Downton Abbey!!!??

I could see Bated Breath at 6k at the most 7.5k and I'm sure plenty of breeders will be lining up to use him,but I can also see he's just the sort of stallion that we all talk about all convince ourselves he's a great prospect simply  because everyone's talking about him,largely due to him being new.What we all know as well but gloss over are the facts he is a non precocious son of a sire that's not reliable to get precocious sorts and add in the fact that he again like his sire failed to bag a GR1 and had every chance do do so but imo has been exposed as being just short of GR1 class regardless of the hype.He is tough that's true is that enough?Really is he worth between 6/8k?If you are commercial breeders how likely is he going to enhance your mares early runners record,and knowing Dansili as I do another thing he's not reliable for is getting you a good sort similar to his brother Champs Elysees.I'd be very aware of these factors when considering using this horse.If I really did want this horse I'd not pay any more than 5k at the most.

Good sale PD for you yesterday, well done!

Speaking of speedy sons of Dansili, anyone know what's hapened to / happening with Delegator?

its finally filtered through to me as well, here's to Bushranger

It's true Bushranger and Myboycharlie cannot offer any guarantees with coming up trumps once they face their runners as like you say they have nothing behind them.But again like you point out the industry is littered with stallions with much much better credentials failing miserably,anyone remember Generous or star sire Three Valleys?Both standing at the same stud as Bated Breath and both from outstanding family's both much better family's than Bated Breath too. Whilst I am a great believer in a stallion throwing to his family, that family needs to have producers there and still needs to be backed up by a sire that gets useful sons. Three Valleys had all the family and a very productive one at that, but his own sire was a notorious flop as a sire of stallion sons. Even if Bated Breath stood at 10k he is still going to get mares where the owner is looking for HIM to help HER. Do we think he has enough of anything to help achieve that, either form,ability,or pedigree? Does the trio of Strategic Prince, Rail Link or Thousand Words lend us to think that sire power alone will compensate? Exceed and Excel has done well as an Aussie import with enough recognisable European names to lessen the fear factor. Both Sepoy and Helmet are not as alien as Choisir and his Lunchtime dam!There seems to be a dearth of new horses again this year and hence we find ourselves seriously considering the likes of Bated Breath but I am really struggling to get enthusiastic about a Dansili son.Using your laziness argument Pot'M can I assume you used Paco Boy? Laziness is one thing within the industry but fashion is the biggest driver of all and if 'they' all decide that Aussie is the new Yank then the momentum could be behind the new faces.

I'm not saying that Australia is the new 80's USA, but it might be as far as the sprinting brigade goes. Surely there must be somthing behind Black Cav, Scenic Blast, Ortensia, Choisir, Takeover T, Miss Andretti etc etc. It cant just be coincidence. I'd back an Aussie against a Mayson or a Bated Breath any day unfortunately (unless its a bog).

What price Exceed & Excel next year? not that I can afford him at his current price anyway!

pot i worked in racing side in oz a while ago, but we would not have been able to train ours (big stable) without the steroids imho it IS the difference between our sprinters, what this means for breeding others will be able to say better than me

The Aussie sprinters tend to be greats hulks compared to ours so I'd say medication has a definitely played a role.  If it was just the sunshine then the Godolphin 3yo brigade would be doing much better when they get back from their winter hols in Dubai as 2yos.   As regards Starspangledbanner I was lead to believe his issue was a biological quirk rather than a lack of fertility (if that makes sense) although I did get this info from the machine so how true it is, is debatabale.  Nice to see the old "tactical speed" line trotted out again for one of their's too, this time for Power.