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Should stand for 6-7k mainly because of his brothers but I am sure he will stand for 10k+.
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2nd in the Irish Derby, in the mud doesn't really help in the cheap, cheerful and speedy stakes does it.
Not particularly robust in mind or body either. In his defence I suppose one could say that they felt he was good enough to make a proper stallion of, given the specialist and high flying sort of programme they mapped out. I think if he steps out of the box looking a million dollars I might give him some thought but at the moment he is a steer clear I think. |
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Posh Paddy, I dont disagree with your valuation as such, but how has BTS got a similar profile to Fast Company!?
Johnny Mustang, who do you think Highclere might be standing? would BTS be the way they're heading? |
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I've given too much thought to the 'surprise everyone' deal Whitsbury aree supposedly cooking up. I know I need a life.
One thing that tickled me was Overdose. That would get tongues wagging! But I wondered if Requinto might be a goer? I don't think Coolmore should stand his type as they are not really able to get serious with them and he would be a Whitsbury type. Ofcourse there should be a spot for Libranno floating around too. |
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cant see BTS WORTH more than £5K.
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Wily, what I meant is they were both nearly horses before injury curtailed their careers & both were decent 2yo's, BTS winning a listed race first time out. Well it makes sense to me anyway
 . Although too be fair I was scapping the barrel to find another similar sire. |
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Heard from another source today that Highclere have got a new horse, but still dont know what it is.
Nothing seems obvious, bit of a head scratcher.... |
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Anyone know whats happened to Harbour Watch?
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Hi Proxy,
Thats a coincidence asking about Harbour Watch,just read in the RP Website,been retired through injury,real shame!! |
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Wouldn't Harbour Watch be going to Tweenhills?
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Well 10k at Rathasker it is then. Thoughts?
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Much prefer him to most of the dross that's retired already for next year. I had 8K in mind, but compared to Caspar Netscher he's worth it......
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I agree Johnny,I thought he'd be a 10k sire,and really I think like you he's worth it.Maurice will be looking forward to the phone calls coming in thick and fast,and good luck to him!
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Good for Maurice. I understand that the Tsuis still own him and are sending 10-15 mares of their own, a lot of which were covered by STS - so he won't fail for a lack of support in that regard.
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Covering mares of the same quality as his half brother STS can only enhance his commercial appeal.It could be said he makes some of the other new sires look rather expensive.I wonder how many 10k stallions get mares way above the usual 10k class not many I think,I reckon he will be hot.
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Agree Prima. Can't remember if Maurice puts a cap on book size, but he should be popular enough.
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Well I suppose when we talk about value for money it is always a case of relative to what else is out there.
My feeling that a horse stuffed over a mile and a half yet seeming to be happy on the soft ground and all the while sporting some natty headgear is not usually the sort of bar where I would be looking to order a pint! If he is a great commercial looking specimen then I think there is mileage in him 1st season particularly though, after all his big brothers reign isn't going to end any time soon. A Sea the Stars flop might get people a little pissed though! Incidently a package with Clodovil might not be a bad idea. He has some fertility issues I gather though. Does anyone know how difficult he is? |
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I presume this is one of those stallions who will guarantee me a return if I get a filly...? Given he was such an unexceptional horse - 115 OR is 5-10 too high and amazingly none of the 7 he beat in his one 2yo win has won a race since, I wonder just how bad he would have had to be to NOT be considered commercial at a cheap 10k.
I look forward to Juddmonte standing Noble Mission at 10k and Morpheus (Oasis Dream  and so on. |
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As I am sure you know Yer Ma, there are no guarantees in this game but if your mare truly warrants a 10k horse then I would feel that he would offer a significant chance of getting out with a filly. Horses like Harbour Watch who are not stars on the course and also lack pedigree are the quickest ones to bite you on the behind. The hype of an impressive win in the Richmond but not followed up with anything else can soon lose lustre 3 years down the line. His pedigree although black enough doesn't hold a huge amount of promise for him to be a decent sire. BTS though not as talented as HW was(on limited evidence),he was at least sound which surely is a point to his credit. But I think as a commercial prospect he will be hot. His sire is very fashionable and has shown he can get a useful sire son. And BTS half bro can hardly get any hotter or more desirable. Commercial success is nearly guaranteed if he can come up with sizeable athletic attractive sorts. Personally I am not so concerned about the impact of STS stud career in this instance, Galileo more than compensates and Invincible Spirit is much more attractive than Cape Cross who no-one could really think will be a sire of sires. As for Juddmonte, they persevered with Observatory for long enough and started CE at 10k so perhaps you are not too far off the mark Yer Ma with your predictions! I can see an OD half to Frankel being popular if he shows a modicum of ability. And I have heard rumours that Juddmonte are looking to perhaps have an outlying stallion in the not too distant future......that may have Whitsbury looking to their laurels as the monopoly on commercial flat studs in the south west of England.
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I absolutely hear you PD regarding good racehorses becoming forgotten very quickly...Dream Ahead, Canford Cliffs, Paco Boy, let alone Zebedee, Lib Lad. People can always latch on to a top pedigree I suppose. I'm just struggling to get excited about any of the new recruits and feel I'll probably get similar money for a good foal regardless of the dad so cost is the principal driver. I do hope you are not telling us Charlie O's getting a stallion at his new place?
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I'm not sure IS is a sire of sires just yet but I think the large book that BTS will get will give him a good start. I thought he may have been a bit cheaper but he may be alright to take a chance with as a 3rd season sire if they reduce his price suitably as he is likely to get plenty of 2yo winners.
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When can we expect to see the first 2yo runners for STS ?
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In light of Sea the Stars first crop performers, I suspect Born to Sea foals will do well this year. Any thoughts?
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