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is near foaling , i hope not , have a wonderful xmas and may you breed a world champion .
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or do an "endless summer" and enjoy it while it lasts!
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ah summer what a thought in this weather
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Not yet they have a while to go i hope
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prayers may now commence ...
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alls well i hope .
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i'm glad everything went well .
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please let us know if your mare has foaled and weather it was a colt or filly . thank you and good luck to all breeders this coming season .
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Well Workrider, we have had a tragic day today. A young mare, due her 3rd foal very soon and half sister to a Gr 1 winner and from a current, top class family broke her leg had to be put down this afternoon. Nothing could be done for mare or foal.
Sometimes, however close to foaling you think you are, until you have a live foal on the ground you are no closer than the day they are covered. Slick always says, 'you have livestock, you have deadstock' but on days such as this it is little consolation. She was a homebred, a very nice mare to deal with and with a smashing temp. Good Luck to everyone waiting. |
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Half sister to a Gr 1 winner..........Sorry to hear that, good luck for the year ahead Prima.
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Jeez.
My sympathies to you and particularly Slick, Prima. Somehow you think with the broodies that it should all be a little more sedate. A serious injury is not what we keep as a likely scenario for sure. The mare you breed yourself that is nice to have around is quite the best reason to do the job and as it's happened to me at just about the same stage I know where you are right now. T |
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Thanks to both of you,you can't help sometimes to feel the rug is pulled out from under your feet,before you really start!!!
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Sorry to here that PD
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really sorry prima donna really bad news my friend ., i know from experiance having dealt with owners waiting for mares to drop their foals the fear of something like that happening . really bad luck prima , i hope you can pick yourself up from this nightmare and get on with your business , over the years you have been very helpful to others less fortunate than yourself , i think everyone one on here join me in wishing you many years of good fortune in the future . god bless .
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Thanks Workrider,onward and upward as they say,and thanks for your kind words........these things happen!
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Tragic news PD, my condolences to you and SNS. Hopefully this is the only bad luck you have for some time to come.
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Foaling time means a lack of sleep
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Serious lack of sleep is what i meant
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With you there Ripvan. Hate it. A nightwatchman is top of my list when the Euromillions comes up!
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remember sitting up night after night waiting for the milk to start running , yes lads a hard few months ahead . still its worth it when yo breed a world beater .
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Its always nice to see your favourite mare foaling (providing it all goes well)we always try to be here when our mares foal that's not always possible mind,I never personally get up except only for my own worthless mare,but I am well used to the 'phone ringing night after night at any given time,only for the loving owner to go and see her new foal.Sometimes it drives us all to drink but we all like it really I think.One things for sure I have no plans this year to get up as my mare is barren!
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But the enjoyment PD of seeing what the mares have is nearly the best bit of the year
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I agree Rip Van but for me is nice to have my breakfast then go and have a look at the mare and foal,that's the way I like it
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Everyone has there own ways. Was just watching the 2000 gns that Sea The Stars won there to see was there any colts behind him that interest me apart from the ones i already have my eyes set on but couldnt really find one but i was wondering how do you think Sea The Stars will breed and will his book be as good this year it should surely?
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prima donna , was just passing my old stomping ground ins a few years ago around 10pm said i'd pop in and see if anything was happening , low and behold marwell you remember her ... was just about to start foaling ... kind of her not to keep the staff up all night eh ....
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Good question Rip Van,STS is one I can't make my mind up on..........one things for sure he would of been given every chance last year,his book was fantastic.Mind you I also think his half brothers book will be every bit as good this year if not better it did take a slight dip in quality as I thought it would.Cape Cross as a sire of sires?Don't rate him that much yes he's fine but for me I think he's overrated,but no hiding from the fact he is from a outstanding producing family so couple that to the family of Urban Sea and he should make it,but I just have a niggling doubt I don't really know why.Do you think he will come up with the goods?Can't really see him getting 2y'olds can you?
workrider yes I remember her too,hope you got some sleep after! |
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With the different types of mares he has covered top class two year olds have to come, but when breeding to to Sea The Stars surely Classics are the main objective if i had a mare going to Sea The Stars i wouldn't be thinking of two year old races at Ascot. When you think of it the foal is mostly going to take after the dam so the dam is the most important, he received top class mares so the foals should take after there dam with the help of
STS ability they could be top class. He comes from the best family in the book he was absolutely fantastic on the track if he disappoints at stud it will be very disheartning for all connected to him. Hard to know with Cape Cross being a sire of sires but if he is any way like Green Desert, STS should do very good. Galileos book will be good but who will use him at the price is what i'm struggling to see |
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I've no idea how much you have to produce for a Galileo nomination and I know you maintain a commendable discretion on tha matter of private fees Prima Donna. Have you got much of a clue Ripvan? Is it a large variation (depending on the quality of mare proposed?) I always suspect that once shareholders, foal shares, Juddmonte type deals, nomination swaps etc etc. are completed then does much money ever change hands?
Sea The Stars worries me in that what level of success will make him successful? The mares covered leave no margin for error do they. In a way it's hard to see him being anything but a disapppointment because of the stratospheric hopes we hold for him. However I see no flaws in his actual potential and because of his pedigree mix I think he could bring out a variety of traits from his mares. I know Galileo's brilliance as a sire perhaps gets him 2yo's that he might otherwise not have sired but STS could have potentially more chance in that sphere. |
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I think Pot'M is right is that because hopes are so high for STS that he almost can only be a disappointment. Remember Generous? Another excellent racehorse with a great pedigree and sent high class mares. Arguably had a better chance due to his sire than STS and stood with a good nursery in Juddmonte. Another great racehorse that had a great sire but didn't quite live up to sky high expectations is Dancing Brave. although a cold hard look at his results would tend to show he did respectably well, by not producing a son as brilliant as himself straight off he immediately was tainted as disappointing.
There is every reason to think that STS would be a good sire and he will not have lacked for help that is for sure! Though Galileo has always had the might of Ballydoyle and A P O'Brian to prop up his results. Is Aga Khan and John Oxx going to prove as potent a leg up? I can see STS becoming a high class owner/breeder type in a few years time. Galileos book will be good but who will use him at the price Us Rip Van! We are sending a couple. He is so commercial atm that there won't be a lack of mares for him. |
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I have a fair idea of his price Potm but it really does depend on the mare. We're sending one mare to Montjeu and that is very exciting for us his fee is at a commercial level we believe but Galileos fee leaves no room for error.
I'm with there PD, Coolmore make sires by sending there offspring to O'Brien i can see him having a few STS in training when the time comes but who will be the major trainer that helps STS become a success at stud. Many of his offspring will be kept to race by the breeders so one can imagine that Aga Khan will have a large amount of them hopefully Suroor will not get any as it will be a complete waste of talent |
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I agree Rip Van S'bin Suroor is next to useless,nice guy mind to talk to.Pot M must of gone to bed.
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agree re sts lads . every oppertunity to fail .... hopefully he comes right at first time of asking , a truly magnificent racehorse, and hopefully a truly remarkable sire....
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prima not sure if i asked you before , are you near newmarket ?
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No workrider I live here in Co' Kildare Ireland,but yes I have a house in NMKT,so I suppose I have both!
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no prob .
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Indeed if you were at the INS I'm sure I have met you,you must of met Slick many times!
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PD your not the person who knows JL are you
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More worried about my own sanity at this stage than anything else
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prima may years ago . prob know you alright .
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nothing to report .... ?
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