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Lairy Mary, your feed anecdote is very interesting. Being able to compare an established horse so clearly with the two different feeds is very educational. With your Misu Bond, Prima, it's not so clear is it as he was boarding at another hotel.
Were the Dodson and Red Mills feed you used on your 9yo equivalent types Lairy? I shall have to look more into it. It would be a wrench to change though as my Winners % is pretty satisfactory. |
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Yes Pot M that's true but when the Misu Bond was born it was tiny,our daughter and her husband were a bit disappointed it was light of bone,the dam is a good sort,so as they live over in the UK it was fed on Dodson and Horrel feed later the mare came to us as she was booked to a stallion here in Ireland.She was then like all of ours given Red Mills Feed,it really did nothing but improve I last took a look at her a couple on weeks ago she is without bull-mucking everyone superb,and totally unrecognisable from the rat she was early last year,you may remember me saying a very good judge of foals/yearlings picked her out as the best foal he had seen all summer,he like a few others was stunned we had a foal by Misu Bond here.Our Daughter is convinced her stock has greatly improved since switching to Red Mills,she has one mare who suffers from stomach ulcers that mare never use to look right in her coat she never looked well but now on Red Mills looks totally right and carries plenty of condition,do take a look at it its never easy swapping I know but we can always improve things and always look for ways to achieve change for the better.
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PM - I have him on Red Mills Cool'n'cooked (just 2 scoops a day) and I guess I used the D&H equivalent (my supplier had run out of Baileys which I was on at the time so I was forced to substitute - not something I like doing!) I am also bringing on a youngster to go eventing at the moment - when I started riding him at the begining of the month he was really weedy - a 6yo but looked like a poor 3yo. So I have stuck him on Red Mills and already after 2 weeks, his coat is starting to shine and there is good muscle developing. He was on a bog standard mix before and it was like riding a beach donkey! The owner who lives in London wanted to event it last w/e but I have explained he needs proper conditioning first!
I also ride out some pointers - one is a youngster who is very buzzy so the owner feeds the cheapest range (not even a race mix)so he looks very lean - I am desperate to get him on some quality feed but the owner is not so persuasive at the event rider! |
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Thanks for that Lairy Mary, I'm not sure cheap feed is the way ahead if you want to train a winner either. Good luck training your owner, one of the lesser joys of the job!!
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1st foal for me last night, colt by Misu Bond. Mares first 5 foals all colts :) Hopefully will see overweekend at Hedgeholme. Anyone any news on Misu Bonds first crop?
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5 colts! Do you want to sell that mare, Y B F W ?
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well done keep em coming ....
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Bryan Smart has got I'm pretty sure 3 by Misu Bond also Geoff Oldroyd Reg Bond's trainer has got some but I'm not sure how many.See also that they hold entries in the DBS sales race,like you Young Broodmare Filly Wanted I hope Misu Bond does well this year,and my god you must be both delighted and very lucky to get 5 colts on the bounce well done.
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I have uploaded piccie of colt foal born on 3rd March to my website. Hes double of his full brother from last year Hedgeholme think hes slightly better.
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Littleun2,You seem to have 2 user names you seem very much like Young Broodmare Filly Wanted are you him?
We have a nice mare who has just had her first foal last night,its one we had in training she is well know and was good so I cant be more specific,but looking at the little rat who also happens to be a filly its times like this you cant help thinking 'why the effing hell do we bother'  I'm told it can only improve...........I sure as hell hope so! |
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Lawks Prima, I hope it's not 'that' mare. You'll be blaming the stallon if so - as he's not your favourite?
I remember foaling a colt 7 or 8 years ago by the most expensive stallion I had ever used and I remember despairingly saying to the mare "how could you do that with that stud fee" as I sat back in the straw with my head in hands! It subsequently jumped through hoops and was very profitable. I reckon with a maiden mare you stand most chance for a miracle! |
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Its me YBFW as it looks likely that Im selling up so I dont want young filly no more....
I'm happy with the colt, I have fingers crossed last years 2 year old has progressed well over winter and Dandy Nicolls can follow up with last years win |
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Sorry to hear that Littleun2,I hope your 2 y'old does well I will keep a close eye on him.
Pot M, As you can imagine I don't always hold the same view as you know who when it comes to selecting stallions,I don't think its 'the' mare you are thinking of..........a clue this one is Bay![;)] I know how you feel when your pride and joy produces nothing more than a little rat,my own pet (now retired) did just that on a regular basis I have often said to her whilst feeding her a carrot"how can you do this to me"her reply looked like she was saying back to me "because you love me"Slick always thinks I am mad whenever I go to see her. |
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Ah Prima, thanks for your tip! As you suggest, I was barking up the wrong tree and just to prove I am not a deranged stalker, I wouldn't know about your other mares but I hope the foal in question is ballooning as we speak.
I am quite worried that your personal breeding empire has been much wound down. I think that friendly ( I hope ) friction probably served you well at Slick-Prima Towers I could always find you something low grade to re-start your empire and provide Slick with a stick to beat you with!  |
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Pot M,my personal breeding empire has by and large finished,I have a few of her stock in training and a yearling filly who I like that will go into training later on,she does look a real early sort.
Yes Slick and I have always have had friendly friction when talking and looking at each others mares,we will say things like"look here comes that dreg of yours"or "that worthless thing needs putting down this autumn" but we know we are only joking. Thanks for the offer to replace my mare I must say the idea of slick beating me with a stick does sound fun but I really have been told to stop adding to the never ending list of dregs I am responsible for!! |
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Big strong colt (by Striking Ambition) last night for my mare - really pleased as she's a maiden and not over big although she is strong & stocky herself. Foal up and about really quickly and suckling too.
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Well done Lairy Mary, sounds like a very promising start for your mare.
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We have had a few foals this week,a couple by Bushranger they are nice sorts very strong they do look likely to do the job,a Galileo colt and a filly by Danehill Dancer(wanted a colt)and a nice colt by Dandy Man,nothing wrong with him also two filly's by the great Verglas.Still plenty to go but atm we seem to have more filly's than colts how are you all getting on?Has it been delight or disaster!
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I'm sorry you are slightly imbalanced to the fairer sex Prima, but I guess with your pedigree's (on the whole!) you are more able to cope with a filly than us bottom feeders.
I'm afraid that I sat my girls down over the winter and made it quite clear that fillies wouldn't hack it. Anything less than proper colts and I'm going under & then it's who knows what would befall them. As you know 1 colt so far so let's hope someone else has some proper news. I'm particularly interested for a report from Ripvan as they have made moves to upgrade over the last year or so and it must be exciting times at Winkle Grange. Are you still struggling with those matchsticks irritating your eyelids Ripvan? Do you all get a bit more excited by the Galileo's Prima - or terrified? I suppose it's not necessarily the quality of the nomination you've purchased but the quality of the cerished mare that warrants it that floats your boat (and all ours really allbeit at different levels ) |
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Pot M,If you want to sell then like you we want colts,and no being by Galileo does not mean anymore than being by Dandy Man,its just how much is your profit margin going to be.
Do you all get a bit more excited by the Galileo's Prima - or terrified? I suppose it's not necessarily the quality of the nomination you've purchased but the quality of the cerished mare that warrants it that floats your boat Yes its the mare really for us as its always great using these sort of sires but it is that bit better if you are lucky enough to have that level of mare,all that being said mind earlier in the season there was a buzz around the yard waiting to see the foal by one stallion in peticular,this I think you may be able to guess which sire[;)] |
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Well i'm doing ok at the moment have a few colts around the place at the moment and there is one in particular who is an absolute nightmare to deal with so i have no option but to geld him even though his bloodlines are quite nice.
Foals are doing well so far have a couple of nice individuals but unfortunately have a terrible foal by a very prominent sire from last year the foal just is not correct at all and this is so disappointing on a commercial level for us. We have so far had a good season with mares being covered and scanned already so we are looking forward to the next couple of months. Potm we have a nice sort by a sire you used last year aswell hope you'll have the same look. Have you made any more plans for your mares? |
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Oh Ripvan, you do appear to have a few soul searchers out there! Sad to have to geld a yearling, but it's not impossible to sell them by any means. If he's a real belter you'll have all sorts thinking they can buy a horse that no-one else is chasing and all of a sudden you find your chasing group is quite satisfactory!
Is your disasterous foal out of one of your new mares? I hope not as it's not nice to have the doubts creeping in so early! Is the foal still young enough to come good? We've all had some horror stories in front who come good - and ofcourse those that start off pretty good and then deteriorate! Glad you've got a nice sort by you know who - what I wouldn't give to join you there! getting closer. . . I've booked my last mare now - but we'll look at her at the end of the week and decide whether to sign the contract! Prima, like we say, if that foal causing a bit of a buzz for Team Slick was interesting for it's sire, then I'm pretty damn sure the dam would be just as exciting for me if I'm right [;)] Is there a general satisfaction surrounding it? |
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Yes a new mare but not to worry the foal is fit and well so maybe a big change could come. He should sell provided he loses the attitude not sure when he got it as he was relatively quite as a foal. What did you book your mare to potm is she coming back here. Heard of a few nice deals in the UK have you tried to avail of any of them?
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Prima, like we say, if that foal causing a bit of a buzz for Team Slick was interesting for it's sire, then I'm pretty damn sure the dam would be just as exciting for me if I'm right Is there a general satisfaction surrounding it?
I'm sure you would be excited about the mare POt'm, we certainly are. Even though, as you know, I don't like greys.Yes there is general satisfaction around the foal  |
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prima donna ...was down my old stomping ground ns last week had a look at verglas , enjoying himself in the paddock ...
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Well Prima, you're going to have to start liking young hot grey mares soon, otherwise I might be round one night and they can come and live where they're appreciated
The ramp on my horsebox doesn't squeak!! Ripvan, the mare in question is going to come over to you if she is looking good at the end of the week. I'm not going to send her any later than this so I imagine she might be rested if she stays here as I'm really not enthused by the UK options. I'd be interested to know what deals you are hearing about here as a lot of the popular types are not available. Is it marking down of the ones you wouldn't want anyway? Once I'm comitted with this mare, one way or another, I'm happy to reveal all! A curved ball. I have heard that a certain Tipperary outfit are being a little more careful with the numbers taken this year. They say that it is a conscious decision, others may say it is a lack of demand. Any one care to comment? |
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workrider, doesn't he look well?Pot M,Vale of York perhaps?Reckon your point about a certain stud in Tipperary being careful with numbers
 I suspect your latter point is far more valid.You only have to think back to the yearling sales last year to remind ourselves how much in demand that set ups sires really were.Rip Van,I read that your new mare has had a foal that you are very disappointed with,is it her first or has she had one or two before?If she has could that be the reason why 1,her owners wanted her gone and 2, you got her for such a good price?I think Ive told you about a mare Slick paid over 100k for she had a great page and a super looking mare but she had absolute c,rap foals none made more than about 1k one died at 8 months the star herself made about 3k when sold a few years later.That mare had had 2 foals before we got her none had gone into the sale ring.................now I know why. |
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The mare has had quite a number of foals one or two blacktype offspring so its not a question that she will not breed a good one for us we're just trying to figure out why the foal is so poor.
Potm the horse stands at Dalham was offered a good price on him i'll let you guess, we have used a few Darley stallions again this year even though we stayed away from two of the stallions we used last in Shamardal and Iffraaj they have some nice stallions i think. As for Coolmore you have to look at it that the number of mares will probably drop again this year and Darley have some nice horses at Kildangan. So is it Vale of York your using? |
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Ripvan, I suppose the Dalham horses are at a tricky stage in part and there would have been deals for all but Ex & Ex and Dubawi. I know there were various deals on the others but I'm thinking that your surprised best offer was New Approach? Autho Halling Kheleyf would have been dealers too at more discount than Shirocco maybe.
No it's not Vale of York. He didn't ever get very high up the list and no-one on here seems to have seen him so how could I go without the say so of my learned Betfairians! What is the actual problem of your tricky foal? We might be able to offer some similar case encouragement - or discretely remain schtum if you're shafted  Prima I remember your tale about Slick's purchase, I found it very entertaining and not a little terrifying! I take no pleasure in it - but if pressed could wish similar disasters on one or two others! - but it is always with a sense of camaradie that we think 'our turn next' Same question of Ripvan really, did Slicks mare repeat a similar fault every time? |
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Yes Pot M all of that mares foals were horrors with the only exception being the one that just decided to drop dead one day,she really was the biggest walking disaster ever to set foot on this place,a point that I often mentioned when Slick was assessing the merits of my now retired pet mare.You are right mind we as breeders do have a touch of camaradie esp' on this forum
.Rip Van it may just be one of those things but is the foal by a first season sire?If it is perhaps he gets moderate stock |
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Hopefully its down to the sire but all the blame cant really go on him so maybe the cross of bloodlines is to blame as they did suit each other. She has been covered since and i am very happy with the choice of stallion this year different bloodlines to this years foal. Potm the foal just has bad limbs which is what i dont like and by the looks of it always will the foal is a couple of months old and has not straightened up. The deals where quite reasonable and i do know of a couple of people using New Approach as he was top class on the track i think some of his brilliance was overshadowed by STS but thats what racing is all about.
Give us a hint at what your using Potm |
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Well its a horse that PD doesnt like so i'm thinking Lord Shanakil or Arcano(not sure if he likes him or not)
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I will wait with baited breath but I am all ears Pot'M.
Rip Van, Arcano is fine.......... |
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I'm not sure Prima is particularly anti Ripvan but I've just got a recollection that the horse has been assessed with a bit of indifference!
Isn't it funny how a boring bit of news suddenly takes on a whole new complexion when it has temporarily been withheld As I'm sure you know, my life's just not that interesting |
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Pot'M, have you been speaking to Maurice????
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No!!!! and goodnight
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Well time will tell. Goodnight Pot'M
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Do you call maurice or do you call a uk nominations person
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My guess its a Darley stallion
Never before have I been sat right on the edge of my seat waiting for such news!!!The suspense is killing me [;)] |
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Looks like I might pull off a shock result, but lads I think we all need to get a life !!! Ripvan, I deal with the stallion studs myself as any time I try an agent they never seem to be any better at the job than I am re price and avalability. So I save myself the 5%. |