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Where do you think he will retire to?And how much if he 1,stays as he is or 2,if he goes on and wins more say the QE2.A few places could make a bid for him,what do you all reckon?
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Would there be a bit of a stigma with him that he is a cast off? Is he a good looking horse?
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neill d,Yes I understand he is a good looking colt my wife was at HQ when he won the GNS,she liked him,I doubt he will suffer from the fact he was a 'cast off'more like his former trainer will look like a twerp for letting such a good sort like he has proved go.
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Thats good then, hoped it wouldn't be an issue, what a crop of milers there are around this year (classic generation and older)whatever turns out to be the best of these come years end should have every chance to have a good career.
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Surely will be bought up by Darley. First Son of Dubawi and a top class Miler. Forget buying 2yr olds in the winter just by this classic winner
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Alkaased is an example of them re-purchasing their cast offs, so it is possible that he will be reacquired.
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He comes froma nice family he could well get two year olds but he's won his one group 1's on heavy ground so that might go against him, he could go on for further success this year though. He's one that i'd keep an eye on but finding the right mare for him could be hard.
What did you think of Rip Van Winkle at York PD i was delighted with it a little shocked at the end to cause i thought he was beaten but the lads said that they were very confident before the race so i didn't argue with them. I stayed over for the rest of the week just watching we had no connections to any other horses but i got to see some nice stock over there. I was impressed by Joshua Trees run |
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Rip Van he won his 2000 on firm,if his only wins were on heavy I'd not be so keen but he has shown us he handles both which is a good sign of class.
I thought as I have before Rip Van Winkle is a smashing looking colt his win last week for me anyway was a bit workmanlike I for a time did not think he would make it,we are very interested in using him next year,as you agree he will be red hot,long term I'm not so sure he will be any good I think off the top of my head he comes from the same family as Alderbrook,I always take what the lads say with a pinch of salt you know why I'm sure,but we had a great week I always like that meeting,yes we both also thought J'Tree ran real well,we had a nice 2 y'old running it has won already and it had a very good run we were not too disappointed as it didn't win but it does look a class prospect for later on,what did you think of Approve?he could be a bit of a monkey but he has plenty of speed and class I like him. |
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I was on about his win France on heavy sorry PD that race just doesn't seem as good as it looked.
I thought Approve was very good as he was given weight which is hard for a two year old whether he is group 1 class is for another day but he showed that he is tough. A two year old that i liked was Pabusar he could improve a bit. I also was impressed by Rimth who looks like she could be a top filly Did you like any other horses |
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Rip Van,I agree that both of those two do like capable of going on of the two Pabusar would be my choice Rimth from what I could see needs to improve more but saying that she did meet 2 good sorts,one I did like the look of was Brian Meehan's colt Waiter's Dream now his horses are running better he looks a nice prospect.I sort of like Sir Reginald he again looks sure to improve,but to what level god knows doubt he is GR1 class more like listed or GR3 but still a nice prospect
i was thinking today perhaps Darley might buy Makfi,if they up Dubawi next year I could see them standing Him at Kildangan and Makfi at Dalham Hall,maybe in the 15/20k region as it stands if he wins more then poss'20/25k,he is a real poss' for next year,does he interest you Rip Van? BTW Doncaster trade looks okay to me,lets hope it goes on I guess Pot M is there at the moment,hope he comes out on top. |
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** do look**
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Makfi would be interesting but he needs to win another Group 1 i'm actually struggling to think of any mare of ours that he would actually suit so that might hinder my interest in him. He comes from a great family but Dubawi is not my favourite horse and i never thought that Dubai Millenium was as good as they said he was. He won his maiden over 7 on very soft at two but if he was with a very top trainer at 2 in England or Ireland i'd say he could have won earlier i dont rate Tregoning. If darley do but him they will stand the pair at different studs but were do you stand either of them its hard to say.
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You have Rip Van very similar views to me about both Marcus Tregoning he to me would be more at home sipping Pims at the Henley Regatta than playing at being a trainer,I also think Dubai Millenium was very much overrated his owner has a special pair of rose tinted shades he always puts on when asked about him,when you think of his mares he got DM has really been a flop,but Dubawi has done well and will be commercial,for that reason Makfi first time around would be of interest.
I think like you he wants another GR1 but unlike you I do have a mare he would go well with,we shall have to see how he does if he does turn up at Ascot I reckon Canford Cliffs may beat him. |
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I'd think Canford would take him aswell, so Makfi at 20 to 25k would be the one over Canford at 10 to 15k due to whats behind them, On the topic of Tregonning, he never really went on from that Derby win, His top horses seem very inconsistent aswell, Finjaan and that good mile and a quarter horse of his, Anyway who allows well bred, good looking, unraced horses leave their yard without testing the water. They put a spin on Makfi's departure but I don't think anyone bought it, seems a nice guy all the same though.
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Could anyone else see Makfi standing next year at Cheveley Park in NMKT?They I understand are looking for a new horse,its feasible to me just wondering,does it make sense?
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It wouldn't surprise me but he doesn't seem like there type of horse they usually want a ball of speed. Dubawi is on fire now i've been watching alot of racing the past week because i got a kick in the hand from a foal and he actually broke one of my fingers and cant do anything else really.
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announcement in next few days prima....won't be Ireland or Newmarket.
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notenough,is he standing in England? I know you can't say where he is going but do you have an idea which country?Hope not Japan!
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Chris t not tweenhills. I like him but not that much. ;)
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Wonder if John Warren is getting him to stand with Paco Boy,I do hope David Redvers does not get him.
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Just snatched a few days away before getting Tatts 2 & 3 yearlings in!
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Krikey Pot M you leave it late enough,anyway hope you now feel ready for the onslaught,our yearlings for Tatts have been in for 4 weeks,they all get plenty of time in the field each day they seem always relaxed it also helps their guts as we shovel food down then like its going out of fashion.
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Couldn't say prima.
yer ma...You were absolutely right about the RP yearling bonus scheme...it has been a monumental disaster for everyone,just as you predicted. |
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notenough,I understand I shall keep my eyes peeled thinking about it David Redvers does have plenty of the green and crispy's at the moment.
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Old ground Notenough, I cant prove the buyers couldnt give a toss about it and prices havent been helped by it. You cant prove the contrary so why bother arguing. I have a small anecdote though. At recent breeders lunch someone told mrs Yer ma they'd been given the thumbscrews by our friend DR for not putting Book 1 horses in scheme. Then had a name at Tatts asking where he intended entering his stock next year. Cretins.
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yer ma..Only old ground if you've been proven wrong.I think you ought to do some market research among trainers and purchasers.
DBS held up well ,didnt it? |
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Yes it's tight Prima but it's possible providing nothing goes wrong. As they are mine and I'm wrinkled enough to know when to fight and when to walk away I figure that they should, by and large, get a clear run!
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It's very late potential do you think you'll actually have them ready? When do you wean your foals for the sales
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Oh No, I'm worrying you guys!!
I work on 6 weeks and it's quite intensive but it works for me though it probably goes to the wire. I'm more foals perhaps than yearlings these days but I've had a lot of compliments from buyers and auctioneers over the years for my yearlings so I think i'm getting it right. Again because it's just me I can monitor very closely and I would be conscious of their condition in the field in the run up to preparation. Rip Van, I wean at the classic 5 months - never earlier but sometimes up to 6 or even 7 if I've got practical problems (companions, field etc.) I wean in the field and sneak the mothers out singly at feed time when the foals are a bit lower than the gate behind a dip. It's one of my challenges of the year and it's totally stress free as the foals have no idea their mother has gone really. I think the foals need to have a very smooth upbringing to cope with a foal sale and wouldn't be very happy to take a foal that has had some sort of conflict. They should have at least 2 months weaned then before the sales therefore and my foal prep is very relaxed. You'll always find a bit of mud on one of my foals, but they are well fed and super healthy. When i first started out I pinhooked like so many, and some of those pitiful Goffs and Fairyhouse foals were a sight back then. Did they take them from the mare to the Sales ring? |
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Pot M,I think you know David Redvers don't you? has he shown any encouraging signs at the prospect of standing Makfi is he still after Main Aim?Just wondering.
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We always walk the mares into a shed and walk straight out leaving the foal in the shed they stay in for about a week til they quiten and then are in and out for about a month before the sales work starts
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I know him yes. But we don't speak out of the sales or stud season much really.
I would be surprised if the Ishiguru insurance money pushes them into Mafki league though! You don't seem to be a fan (I find him okay but wouldn't join a fanclub) is he just irritating to you or has he done you wrong? I think he needs forgiving a fair ammount for at least trying to set up an indepenent operation against the odds. |
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Here we just pull a mare or two out of the field at feed time like Pot M,half the time the foals don't seem to notice,when we have a group of weaned foals one of my wife's old retired hunters acts as a nanny,you can always get them into the barns with him we have never had a problem with it,saying that mind we had a Danehill colt foal who we had just weaned a few days before,it tried to suck one of the other mares who then kicked it on the shoulder,after a massive vet bill we had to put it down,but hopefully that was a one off!
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Jeepers Prima, unlucky that. But the field method is brilliantly best Rip Van, by a long chalk.
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No I must say D Redvers has and is always fine to deal with he can be a touch arrogant,he very much offended a great friend of mine some years ago,but he always seems to be on his best behaviour when he speaks to us which is not often he like a lot of others always look terrified to approach us ,trouble with Tweenhills it has become synonymous with cheap stallions who go nowhere.
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Sleeping Indian seems like their best chance for a while.
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I think Tweenhills has time to improve. They haven't stood too many horses really when you tot it up and plenty of good people got involved with Sleeping Indian so there has been some goodwill. It's mighty tough though. Perhaps with the tax inequality sorted an independent over here may be able to be a bit more competitive with you guys over there for a better prospect.
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If you hear anything Pot M let me know I would use Makfi even if David Redvers has him,yes lots used Sleeping Indian can never really understand why though.
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Looks like Makfi is going to stand in the UK when he retires.
http://www.racingpost.com/news/bloodstock/top-miler-makfi-set-to-stand-at-british-stud/762227/top/ |
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Can u see the Maktoums giving his stock the time of day? That and the objectionable 'owner', I'm out.
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