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THE CLIMATE CHANGE MYTH that Julia wants us all to pay for
THE CLIMATE CHANGE MYTH that Julia wants us all to pay for
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and the inquiry is just talking about trading the well known greenhouse gas ... co2
in 18 months time we will all know more about CH4 methane and its far more massive greenhouse effect compared to co2 and maybe then we will hear more about an uncontrolled methane leak in a pocket of the USA under Prez Obama's watch a leak that has been emitting for over a year .. and which emits the equivalent greenhouse effect of co2 to an extent of ... 30 Australia's of dumping http://beforeitsnews.com/energy/2013/07/out-of-control-gulf-methane-fire-at-well-blow-out-not-as-bad-as-bp-catastrophe-2450688.html An unexpectedly high amount of the climate-changing gas methane, the main component of natural gas, is escaping from the Four Corners region in the U.S. Southwest, according to a new study by the University of Michigan and NASA. They measured levels of the gas emitted from all sources, and found more than half a teragram per year coming from the area where Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Utah meet. That's about as much methane as the entire coal, oil, and gas industries of the United Kingdom give off each year. Four Corners sits on North America's most productive coalbed methane basin. "There's so much coalbed methane in the Four Corners area, it doesn't need to be that crazy of a leak rate to produce the emissions that we see. "We see this large signal and it's persistent since 2003," Kort said. While the signal represents the highest concentration of methane seen from space, the researchers caution that Four Corners isn't necessarily the highest emitting region. Natural gas is often touted as more sustainable than coal and oil because it releases fewer pollutants when it burns. But when it leaks into the air before it gets to the pilot light, methane has 30 times the short-term heat-trapping effects of carbon dioxide. ... when the inquiry is over into co2 .. they will have to start a new one on methane  |
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and who exactly do we pay - I don't think the atmosphere has a bank account - or any data records to show usage?
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the alarmists (rortists?) wont say a word TB IMO unless they can figure to get money out of it
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rice
china and india's main food crop i imagine http://www.ghgonline.org/methanerice.htm At between 50 and 100 million tonnes of methane a year, rice agriculture is a big source of atmospheric methane, possibly the biggest of man-made methane sources. Clearly, humans are directly responsible for the world's paddy fields and so also for their methane emissions. The expansion of the human population has necessitated increased rice production and so methane emission from this source. ... the human footprint again .. |
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doesn't really matter who we pay Secong although the obvious thing is to use the money to fund alternatives - paying itself forces change
it's all being looked at Thebas - a big job |
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"Climate change for me means I get to wear my two piece."..Julia
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I always thought pollutants burned up in the atmosphere, you make a goog question SC....who do we pay?...and where is this paid too, should I be scared in future to fart?
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proof a price on carbon works
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/new-data-shows-record-fall-in-carbon-emissions-20141223-12d1z3.html Environment Minister Greg Hunt has quietly published data, just two days before Christmas, showing the second year of operation of Australia's carbon price was more successful at reducing emissions than the first. New data from Australia's National Greenhouse Gas Inventory show emissions declined across Australia by 1.4 per cent over the 12 months to June. That compares to a decline in emissions of 0.8 per cent for the previous 12 months. The carbon price was introduced by the Gillard government and began operation on July 1, 2012. It ended on July 1, this year after the Abbott government fulfilled an election pledge by abolishing it. |
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and even worse - for those concerned about the budget - removing it but keeping the compensation has left a $13 billion dollar whole
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political nonsense womble ... there is a suitable thread for such senseless stuff
but ... proof lol ... you gave me a good xmas laugh it took me 7 mins to track down data ... that shows australia "peaked" its electricty useage way back in 2009 ... just after the GFC correct me if i'm wrong but that WAS before gillards "i'll never bring it in fake-for-the-environment" joke  and the SMH sheep should have just googled which sectors of australia use how much electricity ... it would have helped them understand australia's grid better .. but maybe not help an alarmist editor looking to sell some more space yep the answers are all there of course 13 mins of their life was all a bit too much work for the Sydney Morning Herald article writers |
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let me think - 2009 when it seemed inevitable we would have an ETS with both major parties campaigning on introducing one
if the price didn't work why have emissions started rising again? |
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if the price didn't work why have emissions started rising again?
mate merry xamas ... but i asked you to do some research on your own country please to help everyone understand the nature of our nation firstly 6 years electricity consumption has been falling in australia .. it PEAKED ages ago look i'll help some http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/1301.0~2012~Main%20Features~Energy%20use~201 between the years 1979 and 2009 australia's energy consumption rose 90% since 2009 it has been in decline around 75% of australia's electricty grid consumption is taken by industry & manufacturing and manufacturing in australia has been essentially dead for the past 7 years ... (think Car Industry for one) http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/why-australias-car-manufacturers-toyota-holden-and-ford-all-conked-out/story-fnk1378p-1226827493012?nk=6fb5912eca3a93cebc09ed9d6c80480e on top of that have a look at your new fridge or washing machine for example the yellow and red stickers should how energy efficient these items are now ... compared to a decade or more ago these are ALL now substantially more energy efficient so manufacturing dead and not requiring that electricity any more and we have more efficient household items these are 2 areas that have positively affected the grid in using less juice and i suggest far more than the 0.8 % energy drop a year ago quoted by the SMH and the 1.4% drop last year a total of 2.2 units in a 100 units less required and none of this (dead manufacturing plus energy efficient household items) could be attributed to gillard's fake-for-the-environment i'll-never-bring-it-in plan it is just understanding the nature of our country and also appliance advancements mate .. and there is more of course we should all be happy for the 2.2% reduction ... in fact we are halfway to our 5% emmissions reductions already  |
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interesting theories Thebas - no mention of solar which would be playing a major part i'd suggest
the other side of the appliance story is that we have more of them now, although they are more efficient - how many homes have at least 2 tvs etc and use electric heating/cooling manufacturing is dying i agree most interesting figures will be the next 12 months and what the increase is, lock in there being an increase though with the price being removed Merry X |
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cheers mate you too
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You Know It's Hot In Australia When!
1) The best parking spot is determined by shade not distance 2) Hot water comes out of both taps 3) You learn that a seat belt buckle makes a pretty good branding iron 4) The temperature drops below 32c and you feel chilly 5) You discover that in January and February it only takes two fingers to steer a car 6) You discover you can get sunburnt through your windscreen 7) You develop a fear of metal door handles 8) You break a sweat the instance you step outside at 7am 9) Your biggest bicycle accident fear is "What if i get knocked out and end up lying on the road and getting cooked" 10) You realise asphalt has a liquid state 11) Farmers are feeding there chickens crushed ice to prevent them from laying hard boiled eggs 12) The trees are whistling for dogs 13) While walking back barefoot to your car from any event, you do a tightrope act on the white lines in the carpark 14) You catch a cold from having the aircon on full blast all night long 15) You learn that Westfield Shopping Centre's aren't just Shopping Centre's, they are temples to worship Air-Conditioning 16) Sticking your head in the freezer and taking deep breaths is considered normal 17) A cup full of ice is considered a great snack 18) A black out is life threatening because your aircon and your fans no longer work. 19) No one cares if you walk around with no shoes on 20) You keep anything in the fridge, including potatoes, bread and clothing 21) People have enough left over beer cans to make a boat and compete in a regatta. (S.A joke) 22) The effort of towelling yourself off after a shower means you need another shower right away. 23) You will wait patiently until the day it starts raining to go on a run. 24) You worry your ceiling fan is spinning so fast it will fly off and Kill You 25) You Laugh because this list is so accurate 26) Share with ya mates so they can laugh too |
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WMO secretary-general Michel Jarraud said there was no standstill in warming. "The provisional information for 2014 means that 14 of the 15 warmest years on record have all occurred in the 21st century," Mr Jarraud said. "What we saw in 2014 is consistent with what we expect from a changing climate.
www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-04/...hottest-year-on-record/5939566 |
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still cant blame the 70's on climate control.....government giving farmers bullets to kill their sheep and cattle because of Australia wide drought, or south Australia looking into towing an ice bergs to shore to fill dams
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wombleoz
WMO secretary-general Michel Jarraud said there was no standstill in warming. "The provisional information for 2014 means that 14 of the 15 warmest years on record have all occurred in the 21st century ... and according to the IPCC themselves this increase has been in the vicinity of 0.05 c one half of one degree ... in the past 10 years ouch .. break out the 50+ http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-28870988 According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), global average temperatures have increased by around 0.05C per decade in the period between 1998 and 2012. This compares with a decadal average of 0.12 between 1951 and 2012. ..... ffs ... according to the IPCC the warming is actually slowing down (even tho it is one half of one degree hotter ) |
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how do you feel if your temperature is 37.5 degrees rather than 37 degrees?
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wombleoz
how do you feel if your temperature is 37.5 degrees rather than 37 degrees? According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), global average temperatures have increased by around 0.05C per decade in the period between 1998 and 2012. sorry mate my mistake ... according to the IPCC ... it's one TWENTIETH of one degree womble ... and over 10 fkn years lol so how do i feel if the temp is 37.05c today rather than how it felt at 37c ... 10 years ago well ... my memory's not THAT great (but better than juliar's though )so ... pretty much exactly the same i guess ... fkn hot lol |
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even then Thebas - our body is built to work at 37 degrees, even slight changes throw it out of whack - i'd suggest the planet is much the same
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well ... my body's not THAT great (but better than juliar's though)
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lol Henry i saw that pic .. but i thought best not to add my own comment
womble ... our body is built to work at 37 degrees, even slight changes throw it out of whack well australia was having 42c+ days way back in the 1800's as the records show ... (and we predominantly came from cold old england in those days) .. yet the tough old guys & gals that styed on here weathered the inconvenience and ploughed fields to make a go of it maybe we have adapted to it over the centuries ... or maybe we are just 'softer' types these days |
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solution
we pay shed loads of cash to the bank of atmosphere, make exceptions for poor countries like china who can so as they please as long as its in the next 15 years, india also are exempt .....we will pay the money to let them so as they please...but the bank of atmosphere will gladly accept all out our cash in return for A STATIC temperature year round...each and every day/week/season will be set in stone...think that spending all that money will at least give certainty to planning all outdoor events and holiday planning thank god for the bankers great idea |
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ffs so - do
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i'm taking the planet as a whole Thebas - it's in balance, or meant to be, hot in one part - cold in another. Same as the human body - overall though if it doesn't run at the right average it gets sick
the average is changing and it's not a good thing we pay money to fund alternatives and help out those that miss out on doing the damage we've already benefited from |
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wombleoz
i'm taking the planet as a whole Thebas - it's in balance, or meant to be, ... pretty sure our planet has changed many times womble ... this balance you talk about might seem apparent over a 200 year cycle (2 or 3 human generations) ... but it is a narrow view of human history but i agree ... forest management & agriculture & the industrial age have changed things for the world ... so what is this balance you mention ? to just give money as a form of aid is like giving someone a fish at your whim but refusing to LET THEM FISH for themselves the world has to let africa into the game by developing their own resources (they have 14% of the entire coal in the world untapped) we have no right to hold africa back .. imagine the UN telling nuclear countries like China or India they must not do this or they must not do that ... laughable africa is a divided continent not a whole country and that has been its hold-back (plus the fact that many of their countries have been run by juntas and militiary dictatorships and the international aid provided tover decades to those juntas rarely sees more than 10 cents in the aid dollar ever getting down the impoverished street folk level) the technology is available africa should be also allowed their 15 years of coal based power advancement just like obama acknowledges china & india can do the rest of us are doing our bit .. reducing our greenhouse footprint .. Oz have reduced our emissions by 2.2% in the past 2 years according to your own figures the money movement trick must stop ... and a real plan developed ... a plan that does not include global investment bankers (of the GFC ilk) taking their cut at the transactions stage the money redistribution game ... BIGGEST RORT EVER  |
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its always sad when brave people fall for the absolute nonsense of politics
and i mean the firies ... not ted |
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oh dear,i knew youd deny it...no hope..but thats your choice
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ted ... australia have reduced its emmissions by 2.2% in the past 2 years ... womble's figures
stop falling for political nonsense ... there is still hope |
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For the past 10-15 years I've always believed in climate change caused by humans however:
1. i think it irreversible and cant be stopped. in other words once ice begins melting it causes more ice to melt. Even if there were zero emissions next year the planet would still keep warming. 2. Anything done in Australia will have nil/negligible effect. Given my views above then anything we do about climate in Aust is just to make us feel good. i think the human race needs to focus on how we can possibly live with the effects - its too late to stop it. |
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Thanks to Thebas and sec com for your efforts on exposing the rort based on a fraud.
The last few months have shown how incompetent the government has been handling the Climate Change issue. We are seen as a pariah for not embracing a Carbon Price/ETS, yet our CO2 emissions are actually falling, we are spending billions on Direct Action and have chipped a couple of hundred million into the IPCC slush fund. Compared to many other countries we are doing quite well but our government has failed to sell this message. China on the other hand has been universally praised for promising to double its CO2 emissions over the next 15 years. Irrespective of whatever Australia decides to do with CO2 emissions we are heading for a Global CO2 level of around 430ppm by 2030. Is man made global warming real? The Earth's temperature has not risen in 20 years but the IPCC keep assuring us that man made global warming is real. What matters is that most of developed world believes that it is real. So what to do? Germany was sufficiently convinced in the potential of solar power to invest heavily in it and they receive nowhere near the solar energy as Australia does. If Germany was in the southern hemisphere the entire country would lie south of the bottom of New Zealand. Australia is much closer to the equator with the northern third in the tropics. Most of the undeveloped countries in the world lie in the tropics. Australia is ideally placed to develop solar power stations that can provide substantial round the clock base load power production. Towns and cities in Northern Australia could be powered by these new solar power plants. Once established this technology could be transferred to the developing world enabling them to bypass the coal burning stage. So what have we got to lose? Instead of throwing away billions on Direct Action and the IPCC slush fund that will make absolutely no difference to CO2 levels in the long run, spend the money instead on solar energy research. We will be seen by the rest of the world as doing the right thing developing practical affordable solar power stations for the developing world, we will be developing our own high tech industry, creating jobs and earning valuable export income. This really is a free hit! |
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I'll donate the solar panel from my old calculator.
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Well said BB. here here.
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