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THE CLIMATE CHANGE MYTH that Julia wants us all to pay for
THE CLIMATE CHANGE MYTH that Julia wants us all to pay for
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big money always brings in the rorters Thebas, will be interesting to see the how it all plays out
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Last month was the hottest ever June worldwide, according to the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration in the US, which tracks climate data over ocean and land.
Records date back to the 1880s. It followed the hottest May ever. Blair Trewin, a climatologist at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology, says the record temperatures have to do in part with the coming El Nino, which raises global ocean temperatures, meaning bigger tropical storms in the Pacific. "Yes, it was the warmest June recorded on a global level," he said. "Global records began in the late 19th century and, although some of the records don't cover all of the period through, we have good records from the early 20th century on. "What we have seen, while there have been fluctuations, is a definite strong warming trend in the last 40 years. "It is certainly a significant event and, with the warming trend, we are seeing higher temperature records being broken from time to time, but the cold record temperatures are virtually becoming extinct.  | |
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But the mornings in Qld have been so cold. Surely this proves the lie of GLOBAL WARMING?
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bit fresh here in Melbourne as well AFL - can we have some of that global warming please???
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nasa
The global average temperature for 2013 was 14.6° Celsius (58.3° Fahrenheit), which is 0.6°C (1.1°F) warmer than the mid-20th century baseline. The average global temperature has risen about 0.8°C (1.4°F) since 1880. Exact rankings for individual years are sensitive to data inputs and analysis methods. hmmm 0.6 warmer than the 1950's hmmm 0.8 warmer than than 1880 the world is frying ... FFS lol now IF the world was frying .. would the alarmists recommend a plan that will see the increase in burning of fossil fuels .. while the cartels line to trade it they can ONLY trade for dollars an amount greater than what is currently burned would they go to all this trouble of setting up trading platforms and coaxing simple nations to hand over their sovereign wealth .. if the plan was stop burning who is the sucker at the table CO2 TRADING & TAXING ... BIGGEST RORT EVER SHAME ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT | |
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NASA
Climate change: How do we know? This graph, based on the comparison of atmospheric samples contained in ice cores and more recent direct measurements, provides evidence that atmospheric CO2 has increased since the Industrial Revolution. (Source: [[LINK
This graph, based on the comparison of atmospheric samples contained in ice cores and more recent direct measurements, provides evidence that atmospheric CO2 has increased since the Industrial Revolution. (Source: NOAA) submit to reddit 345 The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 7,000 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives. "Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal." - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented in the past 1,300 years.1 Earth-orbiting satellites and other technological advances have enabled scientists to see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate on a global scale. Studying these climate data collected over many years reveal the signals of a changing climate. Certain facts about Earth's climate are not in dispute: The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century.2Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA. Increased levels of greenhouse gases must cause the Earth to warm in response. Ice cores drawn from Greenland, Antarctica, and tropical mountain glaciers show that the Earth’s climate responds to changes in solar output, in the Earth’s orbit, and in greenhouse gas levels. They also show that in the past, large changes in climate have happened very quickly, geologically-speaking: in tens of years, not in millions or even thousands.3 Scientific Consensus Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities, and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. Click here for a partial list of these public statements and related resources. The evidence for rapid climate change is compelling: Republic of Maldives: Vulnerable to sea level rise Sea level rise Global sea level rose about 17 centimeters (6.7 inches) in the last century. The rate in the last decade, however, is nearly double that of the last century.4 Global temperature rise All three major global surface temperature reconstructions show that Earth has warmed since 1880.5 Most of this warming has occurred since the 1970s, with the 20 warmest years having occurred since 1981 and with all 10 of the warmest years occurring in the past 12 years.6 Even though the 2000s witnessed a solar output decline resulting in an unusually deep solar minimum in 2007-2009, surface temperatures continue to increase.7 Warming oceans The oceans have absorbed much of this increased heat, with the top 700 meters (about 2,300 feet) of ocean showing warming of 0.302 degrees Fahrenheit since 1969.8 Flowing meltwater from the Greenland ice sheet Shrinking ice sheets The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased in mass. Data from NASA's Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment show Greenland lost 150 to 250 cubic kilometers (36 to 60 cubic miles) of ice per year between 2002 and 2006, while Antarctica lost about 152 cubic kilometers (36 cubic miles) of ice between 2002 and 2005. Visualization of the 2007 Arctic sea ice minimum Declining Arctic sea ice Both the extent and thickness of Arctic sea ice has declined rapidly over the last several decades.9 The disappearing snowcap of Mount Kilimanjaro, from space. Glacial retreat Glaciers are retreating almost everywhere around the world — including in the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, Alaska and Africa.10 Extreme events The number of record high temperature events in the United States has been increasing, while the number of record low temperature events has been decreasing, since 1950. The U.S. has also witnessed increasing numbers of intense rainfall events.11 Ocean acidification Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the acidity of surface ocean waters has increased by about 30 percent.12,13 This increase is the result of humans emitting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and hence more being absorbed into the oceans. The amount of carbon dioxide absorbed by the upper layer of the oceans is increasing by about 2 billion tons per year.14,15 | |
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exactly as i had posted Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal. yes ........................... 0.6 deg since 1950  | |
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F/F/S
believe the Science it's not disputed by anyone with half a brain Those with less ...dispute the science. .......................................................................... How much has the global temperature risen in the last 100 years? Averaged over all land and ocean surfaces, temperatures warmed roughly 1.53°F (0.85ºC) from 1880 to 2012, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (see page 3 of the IPCC's Climate Change 2013: The Physical Science Basis, Summary for Policymakers - PDF). Because oceans tend to warm and cool more slowly than land areas, continents have warmed the most. In the Northern Hemisphere, where most of Earth's land mass is located, the three decades from 1983 to 2012 were likely the warmest 30-year period of the last 1400 years, according to the IPCC. The graph above clearly shows the variability of global temperature over various time intervals (such as year to year or between decades) as well as the long-term increase since 1880. The full Working Group 1 report, to be finalized in early 2014, is addressing in detail the slowdown observed in the rate of warming since the late 1990s. (For more, see the FAQ entry: "Hasn't Earth been cooling since 1998?") There are slight differences in global records between groups at NCDC, NASA, and the University of East Anglia. Each group calculates global temperature year by year, using slightly different techniques. However, analyses from all three groups point to the decade between 2000 and 2009 as the hottest since modern records began more than a century ago. Temperatures in the 2010s have been running slightly warmer still. | |
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Averaged over all land and ocean surfaces, temperatures warmed roughly 1.53°F (0.85ºC) from 1880 to 2012
---- again you repeat what i stated ? the planet has warmed 0.85c in 130 years 0.6c from the mid 1950's ... the last 70 years then the cartel turns up and orchestrates the trading of co2 permits ... to address the science ... wtf lol a plan which will encourage the big players to burn more and more as those with the money buy up permits from others shame about the environment  BIGGEST RORT EVER  | |
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Direct Action is a joke because Abbott is a Denier of the science...He has undertaken a war on science .
No Science Minister for the first time in our history.... Cuts to the CSIRO Squander Billions of Taxpayers money..... gifting it to the BIGGEST POLLUTERS in the hope they might decrease their pollution. NO PENALTY IF THEY DO NOT......... DIRECT ACTION is the biggest RORT EVER | |
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co2 trading is the long con ... and very well developed globally (well beyond the scope, depth & breadth of interest of local politics)
but is it for the environment ? well let's hear what our environment minister (at the time) was told at Cancun told by ... Ottmar Edenhofer who was a co-chair of the IPCC's Working Group III, and was a lead author of the IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report released in 2007. --- First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore. ---- so do the IPCC even believe their own scientists ... or do they only have half a brain  | |
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the link and full transcipt of what our environment minister (at the time) was told
funny our nation were not advised of this by the then environment minister (maybe he is a truth denier )http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/11/18/un-ipcc-official-we-redistribute-worlds-wealth-climate-policy | |
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Thebas on the money here....direct action $$ are just a drop in the ocean compared to the BURN BURN BURN mentality of algae & co.....they have zero interest in the planet period.....THATS A FACT
its all about the money money money and you guys are sucked into the scam...maybe financially it seems not a soul on the planet wouldn't like to see decreased pollution but an ETS wont make one scrap of difference, in all honesty you would have to be missing brain cells not to realise this and should be examined or take a hard look in the mirror and be truthful BIGGEST RORT EVER | |
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not a soul on the planet wouldn't like to see decreased pollution but an ETS wont make one scrap of difference
spot on Secong now the IPCC have already publically advised that climate policy has nothing to do with the environment anymore so you would think that then the only thing climate policy would be about is replacing coal with renewable energy but AGAIN the ipcc advise this is not what climate policy is about ... quite amazing how deep this fake for the environment co2 tax / trade rort is all about lets get to it http://www.thegwpf.org/german-government-falsifies-ipcc-summary-on-climate-policy/ Green power useless – if there is emission trading In its report the IPCC emphasises the futility of subsidies for renewable energy parallel to an emissions trading system: “The addition of a CO2 reduction policy to a second policy does not necessarily lead to greater CO2 reductions,” it says in a literal translation of the IPCC’s Technical Summary: “In an emissions trading scheme with a sufficiently stringent cap other measures such as subsidising renewable energy have no further influence on total CO2 emissions.” Thus, the IPCC now confirms what the Scientific Advisory Board of the Federal Ministry of Economics, the Monopolies Commission or the President of the Ifo Institute, Hans -Werner Sinn, have been saying for years: Under the fixed cap of European emissions trading with its precisely calculated amount of pollution rights renewable energy subsidies only lead to a shift of CO2 emissions, but not to their reduction. ---- co2 tax & trading ... in regards to the environment its the ... BIGGEST RORT EVER | |
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looks like you're right, in part Thebas, biggest coal mine in Australia gets the green light
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cheers womble .. but don't necessarily focus on local politics re this global issue .. its bigger than big the fake-for-the -environment ETS rort
and our country is gonna get caught for its sovereign wealth .. just cause we export ... not cause we burn an iota of difffernce to the planetary output ourselves shame our standard of life is under threat because we are a commodity country yet global bankers not only strip the planets wealth but they will orchestrate the plunder of our natural riches and NONE of it is for the environment prediction .. china are ramping up the development of their nuclear power plants ... in three years time when the global bankers in the guise of the UN or something demand of them their sovereign wealth .. they will flick the switch on the nuclear plants and claim to the rorters they are dropping their emmissions by a massive amount in one fell swoop ... so leave them out of the money game and of course china will then require less coal exports from australia ... if we have an ETS it will be a double whammy for us .. exports drop and sovereign wealth handed over to the rorters if we have joined the failed EU ets pointless washout australia should something yes .. but not hand over our childrens birthrights .. for NO discernible difference to the planet on the back of a money grab plan | |
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Looks like Overreach isn't just a Golden Slipper winner
"shame our standard of life is under threat because we are a commodity country" ffs Thebas - relax a bit champ. It's just a price on pollution that could save us, or more importantly the coming generations, billions in the years to come coal is dying, the sooner the better imo - we will find alternatives - i think people saying we can move from the mining to the dining boom are spot on. the growing Asian middle class need to be fed I know which i'd rather do, it's cleaner to grow food than to dig up dirty coal overall though, relax Thebas - relax  | |
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It's just a price on pollution that could save us
coal is dying, the sooner the better imo - we will find alternatives ... that's the worry ... erode our standard of life with sovereign wealth being shipped overseas and as the IPCC say themselves ... none of it for the environment anymore ffs don't let them trick you ... is my message to australians ... just ask the EU if they would prefer their billions of sovereign wealth back ... for essentially nothing gained ... and ps ... they have alternatives already (like they do for petrol for example) ... but that ain't the plan for 60 to 70 more years and coal ain;t quite dying ... africa actually have about 15% of the world's supply .. in the ground they dont dig it up cause the UN provide them with aid (90% of which doeas;t get the citizens) now the BRICS .. russia china and india especially ... might one day chip in for their partner Sth Africa .. and help them dig up their own coal what possible difference could australia make .. other than a pointless statement ... being "look at us ... we're giving away our sovereign wealth ... come on world give your money away too" shame about the environment BIGGEST RORT EVER | |
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womble and co happily fritter away cash for no gain.....not I iota of difference to the planet....
IT'S A FKN RORT FFS! how stupid can one be?? when the emissions ALLOWED TO BE USED reduce significantly we would be on the right track for the planet..... but that's not what is proposed...just a permit (at a price) to carry on BUSINESS AS USUAL!!!!! QUITE CLEARLY THE BIGGEST RORT EVER KNOWN TO MAN | |
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There will be a global ETS by 2020 imo
Stupid thing is we don't benefit as much as we should from our resources anyway - look at Norway and their Sovereign Wealth Fund. They will benefit forever from the stuff they've sold. The way it should be - tax it to the hilt AND Even though they aren't part of the EU they joined the EU ETS You can have and do both | |
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Sovereign Wealth Fund
absolutely correct .... and keep it within your country ... resources ain't finite .. nobody has the right to take that away the failure of all political parties to understand this is supreme ... and don't drive your country into debt regardless of who has to do without ... having the global banking cartel own you is a price that shouldn't be paid to any single privately owned entity taxing resources out of the interests of mine companies to even bother turning a shovel and employing people to partake is of course ridiculous sharing wealth isn't ... and a "sovereign wealth fund" should be independenlty established over and above taxes (which by virtue od the simplistic legal narure of their design is circumvented by smart ar$e lawyers) and sadly this fund might first have to be used for the next 30 years to pay of sovereign debt that has grown out of all proportion in recent times but from then on .. our childrens childrens chidlren might benefit like the Norway example .... a global ETS ... as well as not serving the global or local environment ... will also not serve sovereign prosperity how do i know this ? was this read somewhere on a conspiracy right wing koch bros murdoch press web site NO the orchestrators of the money grab .. the IPCC ... say so themselves BIGGEST RORT EVER | |
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the miners can afford to pay more Thebas, there is plenty of fat there - especially overseas companies digging up and selling OUR resources
snow down to 400m around Melbourne today - hoping it gets down to sea level | |
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wombleoz
the miners can afford to pay more Thebas, there is plenty of fat there - especially overseas companies digging up and selling OUR resources there is a tipping point with ill thought out taxation ... where the investor says i will look elsewhere for my monetary investment that may be why there some Oz operations have been taken up by overseas companies ... shame --- (and i read an interesting article today about commercial property purchases by wealthy chinese .. i didn't realise they don't have freehold rights to purchases over there ... look out australia ... ripe for pickings by the ultra wealthy) http://www.realcommercial.com.au/news/investment-trends/chinese-investors-want-australian-property/ Wealthy Chinese property hunters spent $24 billion on Australian property in the past seven years. In China, land belongs to the State. All properties are lease-held, which means they have a lease term of 70 years which is obtained via a land grant between the land user and government-run land administration department. After the lease expires, there is no certainty about what will happen to the land. Most of the time, it depends on the sitting government’s policies. Not having any control once the lease expires creates huge doubt. If you are looking for a stable investment, that you can hand down to your children, these circumstances are less than ideal. In contrast, most commercial properties in Australia are freehold, which means buyers can sit on them forever if they have the financial capacity to do so. The Chinese like free-standing buildings with the potential of redevelopment. Low return on investment, or even if the building is not leased, does not bother them too much. One of the Chinese owners, who owns a building in Sydney’s CBD, keeps the building empty. He says he will only consider leasing it if the tenant meets his requirements. The building in itself is an investment to him: having tenants is not a necessity. | |
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oh yeah ... the environment ...
and the co2 tax/trade plan ... with the algae-backed Emmissions Trading Ssheme (a scheme alright) which eliminates the viability of renewable energy subsidies ... and thus a viable replacement of coal as advised by the IPCC themselves ... one must free themselves from the illusion ... their words ... that the ETS is any longer directly related to the environment BIGGEST RORT EVER | |
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The Barnett Government unfairly increased public transport fares because of the carbon tax.
"The carbon tax was removed over two weeks ago but the Barnett Government has failed to withdraw the extra charge on public transport fares. "As every day goes by the Barnett Government is unfairly raking in over $10,000 a day. "The extra charge must be withdrawn immediately and all SmartRider accounts be reimbursed appropriately." BIGGEST RORT EVER | |
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The Barnett Government unfairly increased public transport fares because of the carbon tax.
hang on ... juliar told us there would be no net effect from her fake-for-the-environment tax don't tell me she lied to us BIGGEST SUCKERS EVER | |
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they didn't say that at all Thebas
if they don't want to dig up our resources because we charge a bit more they can bugger off imo - someone else will do it Call in the ACCC Teddy | |
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exactly what they said .. in their own words
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/02/05/in-their-own-words-climate-alarmists-debunk-their-science/2/ IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer, speaking in November 2010, advised that: “…one has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth…” couldn't be more clear .. didn't mince words .. didn't dribble on about this graph or that graph ... stated plainly one has to free oneself from the illusion .... one HAS TO ... imo ... to see what is going on | |
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Gillard i meant
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cheers womble ... was having a bit of sport with ted and his state govt politico wrangle
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all good
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“Rejecting a Return to India” -Five Words Expose ‘Asylum’ Lie!
With those five words we transposed to our headline, those rotten lying ratbags have demolished all the nonsense we have heard so often from the shrills who wail and bleat on ‘asylumers’ behalf, how they take so many risks, go through so many ordeals, to find a safe haven in a free country. India is one of the largest democracies in the world. And it has a Tamil home-land province, Tamil Nadu – but that’s not what they want, a place to live among those like them, a place of sanctuary from their fears, real or imagined – these mostly ethnic Tamils from Sri Lanka and including 50 children, left the Indian port of Pondicherry in June. These crimmigrants have done truth a signal service by their refusal to return to India. When it comes to the crunch, these grubby Tamil parasites do NOT want ‘asylum.’ They don’t give a damn for anything EXCEPT the chance to dip their snouts in the tax trough of the most prosperous country an ambitious country-shopper can locate. Canada knows all about anti-social Tamils. Beneath contempt? Yes. But nowhere near as low as ABC and Fairfax, which, despite this conclusive evidence of economic migrants’ mendacity, will continue to rant and rave against Scott Morrison’s democratic mandate to stop the illegal invasion of Australia. how often so called Asylum seekers travel through safe countries with excuses. keep up the good work abbott | |
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Tamils playing Canada for fools.
if 71% of the 'refugees' here in Canada feel safe enough to return for a vacation in Sri Lanka, how bad can things actually be? http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/2010/08/20/15091486.html | |
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wrong thread Megsy
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gonski........as it should be.....failed policy
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So Africa won’t need the UN backed coal dollars anymore
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-woos-africa-billions-dollars-125852036.html (perhaps they realised themselves that after 10 years of nothingness from the EU co2 trade debacle that it wont ever come to a realistic fruition of dollar aid for them) And since africa joined with the BRICS consortium (brazil, russia, india & china) … now we hear the USA want to help africa with massive financial offerings in the form of partnerships The next (business) war … might well be over africa ... but not for its natural resources like obama says in his speech alluding that only china would woo a country (africa) over its resources … certainly not the good ol you ess of ay And Africa’s natural resources includes about … 14% of all the coal in the world … most of it still in the ground (waiting) What a joke this world is and its pretence at interests in people at ground level and the poor old environment But where to now with the stumbling & fake-for-the-environment co2 tax/trade plans … that was originally earmarked for aid to sub-saharan africa Guess that just leaves the bankers pushing for the fake co2 money grab -------------- President Barack Obama announced billions of dollars in investment for Africa on Tuesday, as the United States challenges China and Europe's leading roles in the continent's economic emergence. "We don't look to Africa simply for its natural resources. We recognize Africa for its greatest resource, which is its people and its talent and their potential," he told 45 heads of state and government. ---- hmm what were the US 'looking to' africa for before the BRICS snapped them up ... ffs | |
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all pawns in the bigger game Thebas - they might all be distracted for a while, well except China - Putin announcing today that he has banned some imports from the US and Europe plus amassing troops on the Ukrainian border - it could get very messy
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except the bankers of course ... shame to have opened all their pawn shops to trade co2 for the vig ... and then NO customers
but i'm sure algae will be able to bring some suckers to the card table ... whats poker without a pre-designed loser | |
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Scientists: Don't freak out about Ebola.
Everyone: *Panic!* Scientists: Freak out about climate change. Everyone: LOL! Pass me some coal.  | |
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a dog has four legs and a tail
a cat has four legs and a tail therefore ... a cat is a dog |