those 3% must believe something though .. and be able to discuss their findings through scientific research

and they are climate scientists ... as acknowledged by the ipcc

yet the ipcc never publish their statements even as a reference for discussion

funny about that

the whole scam in 3 words from the great womble

new income streams



the powers that run the co2 scam are not saying stop it - they are saying trade it  ffs

bingo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOojbp8ptWI

equal number of 40 degree plus days i thinks

plenty share the blame for black Saturday megsy but yes the Greens in part - pretty sure they have clarified their position since then

feel sorry for the poor buggers in Morwell, that fire could burn for months and all because some dickhead lit it and the company looks to have removed the preventive fixtures - disgrace if true

THE weather bureau says Perth’s record-smashing summer was “madness” and it has used temperature and rainfall data to lash out at climate change sceptics.

And the state’s top meteorologists are warning West Australians they face decades of rising temperatures – with hotter, drier and more extreme summers.

The 2011-12 summer was Perth’s hottest on record and this summer was the second hottest on record, tied with both the 2009-10 summer and the 2010-11 summer with an average maximum of 32C.

This summer was also the driest in five years for Perth, with just 2mm of rain, and the driest on record for Mandurah.

Perth had only three days where rain fell and not one drop fell last month – the first dry February since 2000.

It might have been the start of autumn but there was no respite yesterday, with temperatures nudging 37C in Perth.

The weather bureau is normally conservative, but Bureau of Meteorology climate expert Neil Bennett said the data was staring climate change sceptics “in the face”.

“It’s climate change. It’s warming. It’s staring you in the face,” he said.

“This is crazy. This is madness, what’s going on now.

“The climate doesn’t change like this. This is really remarkable. The last four summers have all either been the hottest or second hottest on rec­ord.

“It’s not just Perth – in Bunbury eight of the hottest summers have occurred since the turn of the century.

“What we are saying is when you look and see the trend is going up, it seems foolish to try to ignore that trend.

“This is really, really unusual. It’s a sign that the temps across Australia are warming. There is no getting away from it.”

Mr Bennett said the climate models for “30, 40 and 50 years ahead” were also all “pointing upwards”.

Water Corp said Perth’s water use has surged above target as homeowners tried to keep thirsty gardens alive.

Perth sisters Ange and Steph Coote said their vegetable patch needed water every day through summer.

saddest part of us reducing what we do is that the world will move ahead of us and we'll have to play catch up in the future - at what cost?  we already have a system in place, doesn't make sense to take it apart and replace it which we will inevitably need to do

if there's a cheaper way to do something, even if it won't work, they'll try it - spend the money and get it right imo

keep that NBN talk off MY thread!!!


womble - catch up??  at what cost??? wtf you on???

catch up to what??


hundreds of billions have been murdered already in this pursuit..........for what so far?

the world is moving to act Secong, we are going backwards - in the end we'll have to catch up again and that will cost more money - it's not rocket science ffs

China is trialling various models of an ETS - the will adopt one.  We were about to have one but will can it

5 years time - everyone else is moving towards emissions trading and we have to start again - rather than being amongst the world leaders we will be in the group trying to catch up

at what cost?

BIGGEST RORT EVER

now there's a 3 word slogan for ya!


the powers that run the co2 scam are not saying stop it - they are saying trade it  ffs

You ****s went hard at Julia for lying!what about thus **** !! Played for fools ....mugs

Qantas carbon tax bill has been covered by ticket surcharge
CEO Alan Joyce and prime minister Tony Abbott have spoken of the tax’s $106m impact, yet its net effect was zero

Political debate has focused on whether Qantas has changed its tune about the impact of an “unrecovered” $106m carbon tax bill on its current financial difficulties – a tax bill the government insists is a direct “hit” on Qantas and its workers.

But on closer questioning it turns out Qantas does not have a $106m “unrecovered” carbon tax bill at all.

According to a spokesman, Qantas recovered all of that $106m through the ticket surcharge it imposed at the time of the carbon tax introduction. The net effect of the carbon tax itself on the airline’s bottom line was therefore zero. Qantas maintains the sum is “unrecovered” because its ticket prices have fallen by more than the surcharge due to the fierce capacity war it is waging with arch rival Virgin.

But the chairman of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, Rod Sims, has suggested that if the carbon tax is repealed, airlines such as Qantas are also likely to be forced to remove the surcharges they are levying to pay for it – which would mean the airline’s bottom line would be no better off after repeal.

Qantas’s chief executive, Alan Joyce, said this week “the carbon tax has been a big cost for us. It’s $106m last year. It’s going to be over that again this year. And it is absolutely one of the factors that is impacting the airline.”

The Qantas website says “when the carbon price was introduced, Qantas added a small surcharge to domestic fares to reflect the impact on our cost base and attempt to recover some of that cost. Since 1 July 2012, this cost recovery has been unsustainable due to the challenging conditions in the Australian aviation industry. The table below indicates the estimated impact of the carbon price on Qantas per passenger, per sector, rather than any additional revenue we are collecting,” it says above a table showing a surcharge of between $1.93 and $7.25 depending on the length of the flight.

Sims, who is charged by the government with ensuring the carbon tax repeal is passed through to consumers, said that “as a general rule” any surcharges imposed due to the carbon tax should be removed once the tax was abolished.

“We would have to look at the individual circumstances but we would assume that any surcharge imposed because of the tax would come off. We will engage with airlines to work out the details of their situation,” he told Guardian Australia.

Tony Abbott told the house of representatives on Thursday the government was seeking to repeal the tax because “the carbon tax has been a $106m hit on jobs at Qantas in the last financial year and a $58m hit on jobs at Qantas in the current half year. That’s the truth.”

And on Wednesday he said: “Just so that members of this house should know what the situation is, Qantas has today put out a statement to say: we have said that the price on carbon is a cost to our business that we have not been able to recover through fare increases … So there we have it: the carbon tax is a drag on Qantas that it does not need. It is a $106m hit on jobs at Qantas. We will get rid of the carbon tax, but the leader of the opposition wants to leave this $106m-a-year hit on Qantas in place.”

Abbott blatantly lied..he must stand down....

Exactly..where are the snipers and media trolls that were into Gillard every day..
Weak ****s

Tony Abbott told the house of representatives on Thursday the government was seeking to repeal the tax because “the carbon tax has been a $106m hit on jobs at Qantas in the last financial year and a $58m hit on jobs at Qantas in the current half year. That’s the truth.”


that is 100% fact...whats the problem? had they not put the surcharge on they would have raised the price anyway.....

pot & kettle imo

seems like you didn't even read your own c+p 

lol yeah she's a worry ted .. not on my chrissy list either

... had gillard wrapped around her little finger ... now belittling ozzie workers as not working hard enough on the coal floor lol

and pretty sure she inherited the lot to start off her magnificence


... and she cannot be put in the same horse & buggy ... with someone like twiggy and what he is doing for australia AND australians

http://au.smallbusiness.yahoo.com/a/-/21828989/andrew-forrest-buys-up-australia/

One of Australia’s richest people, Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest, is splashing cash in the Pilbara and is said to have bought 7300 square kilometres of land.

But it’s not all mining and minerals.

Forrest made headlines in October last year when he made a $65 million gift to The University of Western Australia. It was reported as one of the biggest single philanthropic gifts in Australian history.

Forrest also became the first Australian billionaire to sign up to a pledge organised by Warren Buffet and Bill Gates that will see him give at least half of everything he owns to charity.


... but gina's .. yeah flush it for sure

good to see you boys fire up - just on a side note, the carbon tax compensation was paid for by the carbon tax, with no carbon tax it's still paid for by us mugs but we get nothing in return

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