how true Thebas

wake up womble......

the facts have been presented womble ... how you deal with them is your business

forget for a moment the fact that EU carbon trading has been in place for a decade ... for nothing but a waste of their sovereign money


now ...

not from anywhere near the 'right' like the murdoch press or the infamous koch bros are ... lucid statements from those that have actually read the ... 'fine print'


hard-line climate change professor quotes

carbon trading is worse than doing nothing

carbon trading is designed purely to appease guilt and a moral belief that ... something should be done
but trading carbon emmissions actually proliferates the burning of coal ... and with the simple 'exchange of money' giving the rights to burn ... more and more coal


and from the real hard-line socialist ... left 

trading carbon is a capatalist activity that ... even according to the IPCC ... has nothing to do anymore with the environment


while the Environmentalist Group ... Friends Of The Earth Europe

trading carbon is nothing but a scam ... a money moving venture ... and has proven a rank failure and done nothing for near a decade in europe


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so in the overview


the reality of the ... fake-for-the-environment carbon trading trick ... is seen and exposed by ...
climate professors, socialist left wingers and environmental groups

they are all against the fake trade rubbish


and when you look deeply at just who is ... FOR ... carbon trading ?

well you have the chicago-school free-trade is the only way to go ... economists lol that provided the method for the GFC 2008 and every recession each ten years before that

and you have all the ... Wall Street gang ... and their hangers on like algae ... (Al G)

give me a break lol

the advantage of carbon trading is that's more publicly acceptable than just having a tax

that sounds a bit like ... kevin rudd is more publically acceptable than julia gillard
(end result still the same tho)


and strangely enough ... the world would more than likely ALL now have an agreed emmissions reduction target ...
for each country .. except for


http://www.redd-monitor.org/2013/09/10/hot-air-and-carbon-crooks-the-reality-of-carbon-trading/

Al Gore led the US climate negotiating team in Kyoto.

Ritt Bjerregaard was an EU Commissioner and one of the EU’s negotiators in Kyoto.

“Our spirits rose when we learned that Al Gore was coming.   We were quite optimistic.

We simply didn’t think he’d come without being able to get something passed subsquently,” she says in the documentary.

Before Kyoto, the EU wanted cuts in greenhouse gas emissions of 15% by 2010 and a tax on emissions.

During the Kyoto negotiations Gore announced that he was “instructing our delegation right now to show increased negotiating flexibility.”

But this “flexibility” meant pushing the target down to 5.2% by 2012.

Gore’s team also insisted on carbon trading as part of the agreement.

“It destroyed the whole agreement,” as George Monbiot put it in 2007.


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funny about that ... blue/green algae (Al G) scuppering Kyoto unless everyone went along with him and Wall Street and the money game

shame about the environment 

i agree we should learn from china mate ...

(just forget the co2 trade con/diversion which will DO NOTHING for the environment and note where China are putting all their money & resources .. follow the money )


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/9784044/China-blazes-trail-for-clean-nuclear-power-from-thorium.html

The thorium story is by now well-known. Enthusiasts think it could be the transforming technology needed to drive the industrial revolutions of Asia -- and to avoid an almighty energy crunch as an extra two billion people climb the ladder to western lifestyles.

The aim is to break free of the archaic pressurized-water reactors fueled by uranium -- originally designed for US submarines in the 1950s -- opting instead for new generation of thorium reactors that produce far less toxic waste and cannot blow their top like Fukushima.

"China is the country to watch," said Baroness Bryony Worthington, head of the All-Parliamentary Group on Thorium Energy, who visited the Shanghai operations recently with a team from Britain's National Nuclear Laboratory.

The Chinese are leading the charge, but they are not alone. Norway's Thor Energy began a four-year test last month with Japan's Toshiba-Westinghouse to see whether they could use thorium at Norway's conventional Halden reactor in Oslo.

He estimates that China has enough thorium to power its electricity needs for "20,000 years".

So does the world.

The radioactive mineral is scattered across Britain. The Americans have buried tonnes of it, a hazardous by-product of rare earth metal mining.

China is already building 26 conventional reactors by 2015, with a further 51 planned, and 120 in the pipeline, but these have all the known drawbacks, and rely on imported uranium.

The beauty of thorium is that you cannot have a Fukushima disaster. Professor Robert Cywinksi from Huddersfield University, who anchor's the UK's thorium research network ThorEA, said the metal must be bombarded with neutrons to drive the process. "There is no chain reaction. Fission dies the moment you switch off the photon beam," he said.

ffs lol ... hand over your money to the carbon crooks mate ... al g is just waiting for you 

one could also ask should i turn left or should i turn right .. when the answer is go straight ahead

look i understand your concern with nuclear .. it is quite misunderstood and the tragey in japan has people thinking that an apple and an orange are the same just because the two are fruit

in relation to nuclear power - which many scientists incl the climate ones - say is the the way to go

at present i wonder if people realise that there are THREE countries in the world that use nuclear as their primary power source

france, belgium and south korea

over 30 countries have some form of power derived from nuclear

canada have 19 nuclear power generator
china have 17 with 30 more under construction
india have 20
russia have 33
spain have 7
sweden have 10
switzerland have 5
taiwan have 6
england have 16
even sth africa have 2

and if Japan were using thorium instead of uranium, the nuclear crisis there wouldn’t/couldn't have happened.
(a thorium-powered nuclear reactor can never undergo a meltdown. Thorium is slightly lighter than uranium and is not fissile – meaning it doesn't undergo a runaway chain reaction.)

i heard an argument against Thorium from some expert lol who said what if some terrorist dropped a bomb on a plant

well what if they poisoned the water supply ... what id they dropped a bomb on the CBD in sydney

but in the meantime ... i am happy at this point that our Govt has avoided the Ponzi scam being perpetrated by the carbon crooks

and ... nuclear power is still an ongoing debate ... and I appreciate the concerns

have a top day pal

lol mining companies are all gonna be in on it womble

this is part of the SCAM and it is underway as we speak (algae the biggest fraudster scammer of them all)

they will buy up green-companies .. companies that are broke and can never make a profit in 'business' ... and use their offset creidts to burn more and more coal at the origin company

the end game with trading the scam credits is that MORE coal will be burned than ever before

and the trade-sters will NEVER want the game to end once a buck is to be made by the push of a computer button

no labourer to hold the product
no truck to move the product
no recepit/depatch clerks to handle the product
no service dept to repair/exchange the product

it is invisble lol ... and trading in the 'pretend-product' will dwarf the oil & gas markets - combined

think of forever as the point in time when ALL the coal reserves on planet earth are exhausted

and that is timeframe when they will shift to an alternative power source 

shame about the environment

bloody capitalism, bloody mining companies

green technology will save us all in the end though, if we find a way to pay for it - how's about a tax on pollution - you know it makes sense

its all there in black n white

amazing stats


imo

black and white with lots of colourful charts and graphs - plenty will ignore it, they shouldn't - we need to act

Thebas

how do we pay for the badly needed shift in power source?

how do we pay for the badly needed shift in power source?

start up what thebas says and start charging the punters......

same as any startup company, source capital , build infrastructure, take an early loss then long term, make mountains of profit...just like most startups.....you know its right womble

and it saves the scam and making the filthy bankers rich beyond imagination.......the future wealth of the one day trillionaires will come from someone selling the invisible substance......we have to stop them (tony is on to it) you know its right womble

and the rest of the money pile?

hang on i'm almost converted to being an alarmist after this report from the Times in London


The Times ran a regular column under the heading "Deaths From Heat".

And the weathermen forecast that temperatures would continue to rise.

By 20 July there had been 20 consecutive days without rain.

Two days later fires began to break out spontaneously along the railway tracks at Ascot, Bagshot and Bracknell, and the gorse on Greenham Common in Newbury caught light.

In London the sky seemed unusually clear, and in King's Lynn in Norfolk a temperature of 92F (33C) broke all previous records for that part of the country.

By the end of July the combined effects of lack of rain and scorching sun had resulted in a dangerous scarcity of grass for herds and flocks. Pastures had turned brown.

Farmers were being forced to raise the price of milk.

At the beginning of August the constitutional health of England was beginning to falter badly in the continuing heat.

Even during the stifling summer nights there was little chance of rest, according to one exhausted mother, for "throughout the hours of darkness - which were not hours of silence - the sleepless folk talked incessantly."

By late August lassitude had begun to further weaken the nation's energy, as the hot weather hung over England like a brocade curtain.

The relentless sunshine seemed to have bleached the colour from life, replacing it with an oppressive haze.

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oh hang on ... i'm ok again ... sorry bout that ... this was from 1911 ... 100 years ago ... whew 

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/long-hot-summer-the-great-british-heatwave-of-1911-408738.html

of course not womble .. climate change is everywhere ...

and has been for at least the past 100+ years (just the short-term view )

for example .. how do you reckon the papers would handle the following news ... if it happened tomorrow

do you reckon they would link it to something ? 


IMAGINE THE HEADLINES IN JAN 2014

PARIS FLOODED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and then showed the following images to an astounded audience

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=paris+flood+1910&biw=1344&bih=702&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=stjHUpWmOYaLkgXdmYEQ&sqi=2&ved=0CDQQsAQ


the demands for new taxation or trading invisible elements would ... abound 

of course .. those pictures are from ... the 1910 flood 

the dangers of allowing Wall Street to commandeer the fake-for-the-environment pretend- to-do-something trading of carbon credits

the trading of carbon credits of course leading to a long term demand for the use of coal .. in fact more and more of it if Wall Street behaviour in the past is any guide to the future

the only thing that would thwart Wall Street would be the discontinued use of coal (although they would probably just invent a plethora of available credits to trade if that was the case)

but of course once an invisible commodity that requires no human handling in the form of paid employmentr turns into (as already planned) ...

the largest tradeable market in the world ... larger than oil & gas combined
(try to imagine how many people in total around the world are gainfully employed in those industries and spending their salaries and consuming for their families)

then it is all over for the poor of this world and likely the middle class that have battled for centuries to advance the lives of themselves and their families and their future grandchildren etc

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so lets have a look at the Wall Street salivators ... drooling in anticipation of good people doing nothing to stop this and some pollies gladly bending over to receive the d!ildo of applause from the rorting community trying to impose a trade game on co2


JP Morgan
https://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/jpmorgan/about/environment/solutions

J.P. Morgan provides end-to-end carbon solutions across origination, sales, trading and risk management.

We work with individuals and corporations to originate high quality emission certificates, across a range of technologies, geographies and standards and provide full transactional trading support services, as well as a global distribution  platform.




and then the following news just out today

JP Morgan
http://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/jpmorgan-pay-1-7-bn-044648488.html


JPMorgan Chase will pay $1.7 billion to victims of the mammoth Madoff Ponzi scheme to settle charges it failed to adequately police the Madoff accounts, US authorities announced Tuesday.

The US bank agreed to make the payment to resolve criminal charges over its role in the 2008 Madoff scandal, the largest ever financial fraud to rock Wall Street.

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oh yes, the environment is safe in the hands of those that thought of (Al G), encouraged (Al G at Kyoto), co-erced and implemented
the fake-for-the-environment PLAN that the UN and the IPCC and Chicago School Economists said was the BEST WAY to save the planet 

come on 2014 .. weed out the rorters ... fk em off .. and get down to a real plan

JPM spell check down - renowned

The Black Thursday bushfires

were a devastating series of fires that swept the state of Victoria,  They are considered the largest Australian bushfires in a populous region in recorded history, with approximately 5 million hectares, or a quarter of Victoria, being burnt. Twelve lives were lost, along with one million sheep and thousands of cattle.


Victoria  6 February 1851.

maybe the BoM can advise on the following

they have told us Australia had its hottest year ... with the average temp soaring up to 23C (up 1.2C on the long term avg)

(i might not break out my Mars Rover suit just yet )

now you might assume that the hottest place in australia ... is therefore getting hotter ... so hot it would now be unbearable

but in fact the opposite is true ?


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The record for the longest heat wave in the world is generally accepted to have been set in Marble Bar in Australia, where from October 31, 1923 to April 7, 1924 the temperature broke the 37.8 °C (100.0 °F) benchmark, setting the heat wave record at 160 days.

160 consecutive days greater than 100 deg F ... wow   ... in 1924

here is Marble Bar's temp avg's since

http://www.waclimate.net/

1901-1930 (30 years surveyed)
Average mean minimum 19.7
Average mean maximum 35.6


1921-1950 (30 years) / min 19.6 / max 35.5
1931-1960 (30 years) / min 19.7 / max 35.4
1941-1970 (30 years) / min 19.6 / max 35.2
1951-1980 (30 years) / min 19.9 / max 35.1
1961-1990 (30 years) / min 20.1 / max 35.0
1971-2000 (30 years) / min 20.4 / max 35.1
1981-2006 (26 years)
Average mean minimum 20.4
Average mean maximum 35.3

12 months January 2013 - December 2013
Mean annual minimum 20.2
Mean annual maximum 35.2


the avg temp in the hottest town in australia actually went down 0.6C between 1930 and 2013

so the hottest place in australia is actually getting cooler ...