It's almost here Jez - better ramp up the scare campaign because it's all about to come crashing down, the sun will come up on July 1, just like it always has

wait and see how it plays out Jez - sure the headline price is $23 dollars per tonne - when you take into account the free permits etc, the price is much lower

once Europe recovers from the GFC, once South Korea and others get up and trading the price will be what it will be - i.e. free market, subject to the floor price

I thought Liberals supported the free market???

Cutting Medicare?

I believe Labor will be cutting parts of Medicare tomorrow in the Budget.



Another blow to working families as they try to get ahead.

apparently middle australia will be slaughtered in the budget.

sad days ahead.

Even here in Canberra, businesses won't be spared....
We didn't vote for it, but we'll all pay for it.


Carbon tax to squeeze businesses, group warns
Rosslyn Beeby
May 7, 2012
The Canberra Times

Canberra's small businesses, which are ''already squeezed'' by increased costs, will be forced further into debt by the carbon tax, a national business industry group says.

Small to Medium Enterprise Australia chief executive Dean Logan has warned many local businesses are likely to close, cut services or reduce staff numbers as a result of additional costs.

''I think little has been done by governments to prepare small businesses or involve them in the conversation,'' Mr Logan said.

Australia's small businesses were already paying ''ten of thousands of dollars a year'' for environmental permits required to operate basic manufacturing equipment, such as plastic injection moulders, he said. But these businesses were being under-cut by cheap imports from countries that had less stringent environmental laws.

Mr Logan said it was unfair to expect Australia's small to medium businesses to pay for greenhouse gas abatement while Chinese imports remained exempt from carbon tax charges. ''We are penalising our small businesses, but allowing cheaply-made, polluting products to dominate the market,'' he said.

The ACT Greens environment spokesman Shane Rattenbury has also questioned whether enough has been done to prepare Canberra's business sector for carbon pricing, which takes effect on July 1.

A carbon price, starting at $23 a tonne and rising to $29 by 2015, will affect consumers through increases in electricity and gas prices; building materials, such as steel, concrete and bricks; and other goods that are emissions intensive to produce.

Low income households will be eligible for assistance, but federal figures show the carbon tax will collectively cost Canberra's mid to high income households more than $26.5 million.

Mr Rattenbury said the ACT government had been ''too timid'' in setting targets for renewable energy uptake and lagged behind in adopting carbon neutral goals and programs to help our commercial sector cut emissions.

A spokesman for ACT Environment Minister Simon Corbell said the government had met with members of the business community while drafting its second climate change action plan, Weathering the Change. He said issues raised were considered in developing the plan, to be released later this year.

In a report to the government last year, consultants estimated Canberra's commercial building sector was its biggest source of greenhouse emissions. It said that, while energy price increases ''including due to carbon pricing'' would drive some energy efficiency improvement in commercial buildings, ''tenant light and power demand is determined by the businesses leasing floor space, and owners may receive little or no return in the short term on efficiency investments.'' It also warned the ACT could face a ''development drought'' if more stringent energy performance requirements were introduced through changes to building codes.

''The local property development and construction industry might be expected to oppose the additional costs associated with additional performance requirements, particularly if they were not accompanied by higher rental returns,'' it said.



Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/carbon-tax-to-squeeze-businesses-group-warns-20120506-1y6yo.html#ixzz1uBD4nr6A

Tell me what percent Gas and power has gone up since the Liberal's have become in power in WA?





Now they want to sell the Victorian state.


THIS GOVERNMENT IS A THREAT TO AUSTRALIA.

Regards,
Niccolo

Jez,

Surplus all smokes and mirrors? You should apologize for that comment.

Deceitful,Spin doctor who doesn't hold back,Who can give it but not take it.

You cannot argue anything unless the Murdoch press has published a story on it.


Notice on SkyNews(601) the two douche's were flustering their words,haha..Free speech? Yea Right.

Poor big business,Yea we're really ticked off about that broken promise.

2.9Billion delayed,Hahaha..We should take care of overseas rather than our own,Why not? Look at the American ghettos and their overseas war advancements.

Once again your credibility is called into question

Regards,
Niccolo

its bloody freezing down here SC

climate still the same up here IMO

oh yeah..........even though my consumption is down

I don't believe there has been a thread with so many responses..........wow

so the consensus is

should we have a carbon tax?
yes 548
no 3

derr secong

my tongue in cheek was @rse about but anyways the real consensus is

should we have a carbon tax/ets?

5,583,215 46.55 - NO

6,411,134 53.45 - YES

twice to make sure

Silly secong got the numbers ar$e about

should we have a carbon tax/ets?

5,583,215 46.55 - YES

6,411,134 53.45 - NO

come on Electricity Bill respect the vote......

Now don’t be too hard on Poor ol bill … secong   


Remember he’s trying to read the news and he’s got the …

Hard left, the left, the centre left, the middle left, the ‘just right of middle left’ and the ‘right of left’ comrades all pushing him this way and that


… and on top of that poor ol bill has also got adam bandt on the phone telling him that
… the nsw bushfires were an act of climate change … prompted by the coal that Australia dug up and sold to china who burned it for electricity/industry and pushed co2 emmissions into the atmosphere that turned around immediately and headed straight for the blue mountains
… to cause Australia firefighters and citizens grief (and therefore a TAX will solve THAT problem and every similar problem in the future)

.. and while poor ol bill is trying to listen to ... and comprehend the bizarre adam bandt … bill is thumbing through today’s newspaper … a non-murdoch paper mind you (just in case an ex-spy is watching and ready to blow the whistle on bill)

... but the paper still has … the same info …


http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/20228425/ground-full-of-bombs-nsw-bushfire-inquiry/

Recommendations for hazard reduction burning were ignored by the department of defence at a training ground where a botched explosives exercise started a bushfire which destroyed homes in the Blue Mountains.

The exercise at the Marrangaroo Training Area near Lithgow set off unexploded ordnance on October 16 and grew into the massive fire that burned for more than a month, a commission of inquiry has heard.

The inquiry on Monday heard details of explosives going off, endangering Defence firefighters, and embarrassingly inadequate preparation by the Defence Force.

A Rural Fire Service investigation was satisfied the training exercise caused the fire, which became known as the State Mine fire.

why it should be expanded to other industries as well Secong - especially gas and coal - a price on pollution, you know it makes sense

when it comes to this stuff Thebas - there's only a small nub of people that aren't actually on Bill's side, e.g. sensible Liberals know a price is the best way to deal with it as well

^ with the affluent using as much or not more than they ever did

ffs Secong - there are more extreme weather events happening - it's not just about getting hotter

Thebas - the price is working - look at the figures, especially with electricity - emissions are down around 8%

it's the SUN that drives climate change....FFS

unfortunately emissions from power are only part of the picture - they are down overall but only marginally because the tax wasn't broad enough

look global Secong, how many people have died in weather events the last 10 years compared to the previous 10 for example???

meantime while we pull back China ramps up

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-11/guangdong-to-start-carbon-auction-with-china-s-highest-price.html