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Only the Coalition can deliver on lower taxes, fairer welfare, better services and stronger borders.
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Labor's fall from grace
Paul Kelly, Editor-at-large From: The Australian December 22, 2010 THE party must ask why one in five of its supporters has defected in three years. THIS year affirms a structural change in Australian politics as Labor's primary vote has fallen and flattened at 34-35 per cent with the party more hostage than ever to the Greens to stay in office. The pivotal question for Julia Gillard is whether she can revive Labor's primary vote and its political authority, or whether she entrenches a diminished model of Labor governance in power sharing with the Greens. Amid the furious contradictions of pundits, this is the key to Gillard's future. The extent and rapidity of Labor's core vote decline is stark. At the 2007 election Kevin Rudd won 43.4 per cent of the primary vote. At this year's election under Gillard this fell to 38 per cent. Newspoll shows the average Labor primary vote during the past four months at 34.3 per cent. Welcome to the new paradigm. Start of sidebar. Skip to end of sidebar. .End of sidebar. Return to start of sidebar. This fall in an exact three-year period is 9.1 points, a defection of one in five voters. It has damaged Labor's brand on a scale never considered possible at the time of Rudd's stunning victory over John Howard. This is accentuated by Labor's attrition in state politics where it has lost office in Victoria, remains unpopular in Queensland, and in NSW, with 24 per cent of the primary vote, faces a wipeout of unprecedented dimensions next March. Beneath these figures are powerful changes in Labor culture and structure. First, since its return to office in 2007 Labor has failed to project as a party of convincing beliefs. Second, the institutional bedrock of the party during the Hawke-Keating era, the NSW Right, imploded over the electricity privatisation issue when the party declared war on its own state government. Third, the party remains chained at an organisational level to trade unions increasingly resistant to the demands of a market-based economy, a crippling defect. Fourth, the party's left voting constituency of young voters, teachers, academics, gays, culture industry and inner-city professionals is defecting to the Greens. Fifth, Labor is in trouble in the development states of the resources boom, Western Australia and Queensland, with its primary vote during the past three months at 30 points and 34 points respectively. And sixth, in the suburbs and the regions, Labor is vulnerable to "Howard battler syndrome", with workers sceptical that the party serves their needs and aspirations. Overall, it is a swirling, confused and unpredictable cocktail. Newspoll chief Martin O'Shannessy sounds a warning. "Labor's primary vote is now running about four points lower than it was at the election. If we look at Victoria and South Australia, the states that polled so well for Gillard at the election, the post-election fall has been about five points." The alarm for Gillard is that minority government may become a dead political weight for Labor at the polls. How does minority government play out? How do the voters see it? Consultation and negotiation are fine. But the public has a refined nose for weak government and will not tolerate it. The jury remains out and Gillard knows the problem: any sign that Gillard Labor is a weak government, unable to deliver and hostage to rural independents and the Greens, will be lethal. Gillard obtained no post-election honeymoon whatsoever. Yet there was a honeymoon effect. As Newspoll shows, it went to the Greens and "others". The Green vote lifted from 11.8 per cent at the election to 14 per cent in the past several months and the "others" increase has been stronger. This reflects disaffection with the main parties, an ongoing theme from this year's election. Some pundits predict the Green surge is over. They may be correct. But this cannot gainsay the leap in the Green vote to a level that transcends other tribal parties of the post-war era, the Democratic Labor Party and One Nation. The Greens are different from these parties and their effect will be more enduring. The DLP was a gift for the Coalition: it stole primary voters from Labor and preferenced the Coalition. One Nation was a minor net gain to Labor: it stole more primary votes from the Coalition than it returned in preferences. The Greens, however, attack the Labor primary vote, weakening its base, and by preferencing Labor at almost 80 per cent achieve a leverage over Labor by making its incumbency hostage to Green support. The more Labor's primary vote falls, the more Labor is dependent on the Greens. It is an iron law of politics. Newspolls since the election prove that Australia remains an evenly divided nation. The split between the Gillard-led centre-left forces and the Tony Abbott-led centre-right forces remains the same with a 50-50 two-party-preferred vote. It is a remarkable and unusual outcome giving heart to both sides. The post-election fall in Labor's primary vote has gone to Greens and "others", not the Coalition. The good news for Abbott is that he still sits on half the vote. His failure to form a government has triggered neither a slide in Coalition support nor reopened internal Liberal Party divisions. The question is whether he can convert ongoing disillusion with Labor into a higher primary vote or whether he has hit a ceiling. O'Shannessy says: "Abbott is not facing the strongest government in the world. But, since the election, he hasn't been able to win people from the other side." The test is whether Abbott can convert those voters who have left Labor to shift from uncommitted to the Coalition. From December last year Abbott's genius was missed by the pundits. This was his ability to ignite the conservative base. Now he needs to pass another test. Beyond the conservative base, he must persuade another batch of voters to shift from left to right. Abbott's tactics are correct. He wants to ensure that a troubled Labor government remains the issue. Demands from the media that he produce a new policy framework six months from the last election are utter nonsense written by the ALP. He won't be mug enough to fall for this. Down the track, however, Abbott needs to ensure his appeal to the mainstream vote. Women remain a problem for him. Newspoll shows a distinct bias by women against the Abbott-led Coalition that needs to be confronted. In the Labor-Green contest on the left of politics the climate change issue will be decisive. If Gillard can legislate a carbon price next year then Labor will regain its environmental credentials. The conundrum, however, is that she needs Green votes to achieve this. There is one certainty: Labor will sink or swim with Gillard. There is no alternative leader. The caucus knows this. Given the Rudd experience, assassination of another leader would be an act of political suicide. One of Gillard's great qualities is her courage and tenacity. It is Labor's best hope. |
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On top of the 63.8% electricity rises in Qld since 2006 - we now have a $60 charge effective from Jan 1st 2011 because of government renewable energy targets... and this before the carbon tax- and from what I can see this Gillard Govt is abandoning all forms of direct action on climate change and going to rely on taxing carbon
Frighteningly...the disconnection rate up here is hitting 12-14% and the Govt put a moratorium on the providers over Christmas to the 2nd Jan. Fk me ![]() |
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Right on AP.
I'm really looking forward to Gillard Labor's pitch and implementation of this great big new tax on everything. And another election promise broken. She went into the last election vowing to not implement a tax on carbon and to "move forward" on renewable energy and a multitude of other clean energy initiatives - its now tax or nothing. Can't say I'm surprised. More of the same from the ALP. As again, the electorate by the time the next election rolls around will be out with baseball bats. As Paul Kelly notes in his opinion piece in The Oz, Australian's aren't fans of soft, weak and leaderless governments. Again, I believe this government is in big strife. Electorally speaking. |
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If they ever tax gambling... to the end users like the USA, i'll move to kiwiland.
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Yes, so would I.
The Kiwi's already have it over us in terms of betting in-play on sport. Think we need a more pragmatic approach to federal gambling laws - and a more measured and funded harm minimisation strategy. Prohibition certainly not the silver bullet. |
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What about the boats that came during the Pacific Soloution that weren't classified as landing in Australian waters because of the re-defined borders?
Shouldn't they be added to the total of Asylum Seekers seeking Asylum in Australia, during the Libs rule. The UNHCR estimates that 1600 people were diverted to the excluded ex- Australian Territory locations thus not being counted as Asylum Seekers or Boat people but hard numbers are difficult to come by. Yet we know that SIEV(s) 5,7,11 and 12 in 2002 attempted to make the journey and were returned to Indonesia while SIEV(s) 4,6 and 10 actually sank. That was in very late 2001 through late 2002. In 2003 we know that boats were still attempting to make the voyage such as SIEV 14, but were again towed back from whence they came. What the 1600 figure doesn’t take into account are the numbers that attempted the voyage but were turned back – nor those that sank or were suspected of being lost at sea. If we adjust the 2002 number to account for boats that not only a attempted to make the voyage, but ended up detained within the Pacific Solution system using the numbers provided by the Select Committee for an inquiry into a certain maritime incident 2002, we can add 1546 people to the 2002 number. So this allows the opposition to continually bang on about 10 (Quote a figure) boats landing while they were in power. So we have nearly 1700 Australian Asylum Seekers not added to the figures of boat arrivals during the LIBS reign. That could be more than 50 boats. The LIBS say that having soft border control and soft treatment of asylum seekers is driving more and more of these people to our shores. These PULL factors out weigh the PUSH factors of Persecution, Famine, Starvation, Floods etc. Including the level of unrest in our region. The figures don't add up. In effect they are saying that the millions of refugees in the world are motivated by moving to the Countries with soft border controls. When in truth they are forced by the push factors to seek refuge in any country that gives them sanctuary. Howard shifted the Goal-Posts literally for the Asylum Seekers without their broad knowledge. They still came in boats to the same destinations some landed but have never counted in the LIB intake because the Goal – Posts were shifted. The rest sunk or got towed/ turned around. |
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Good luck with that one AFL - apparently anything that happened pre Labor is irrelevant [smiley:crazy]
I'd still like to know if people think the cost of living wouldn't be rising under Liberal governments? I'm guessing now that we have a Liberal one here in Victoria we will be safe, no price rises to occur Mind you, people living in NSW have got an early Christmas present with KK proroguing parliament - stale isn't a fair description of how bad they are, major worry is the people of NSW will give O'Farrell too big a majority though and it goes to his head |
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actually my first line is wrong, anything that happened pre-labor that they can't put a positive spin on [smiley:crazy]
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Oh hahahahaha!
It's just so funny isn't it AFL and wombleoz. Dozens die near Christmas Island and you want to debate the asylum seeker numbers during the Howard Years. THE NUMBER OF BOATS DROPPED. Regardless of your pathetic argument AFL, which you've copied from Crikey. THE NUMBER OF BOATS DROPPED. Can you not admit that? Can you not accept that? Can you not use the grey matter between your ears? The number of boats has risen SIGNIFICANTLY under Labor, that is a FACT! You two are hilarious, aren't you? [>o] Whilst the Rudd-Gillard government has softened the laws and allowed the boats to come thick and fast......now with the Gillard Government after such a tragedy.....the response! A COMMITTEE/REVIEW ![]() ![]() [>o][>o][>o] |
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Honestly boys, your sinking the new fkn lows.
The time has come to stop debating the Howard Years - the government got beat - amongst much fanfare in 2007. Again, why aren't the members of the government using your excuses/nonsense/spin? Because its completely fkn IRRELEVANT and FARCICAL. |
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The Pacific Solution was introduced as a deterrent to asylum seekers travelling by boat to Australia without the authorisation of the Australian government. In support of the policy, Prime Minister Howard famously stated, "We will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come."
By redefining the area of Australian territory that could be landed upon and then legitimately used for claims of asylum (the migration zone), and by removing any intercepted people to third countries for processing, future asylum seekers were deterred from making the dangerous journey, once they knew that their trip would in most likelihood not end up with a legitimate claim for asylum in Australia. The Pacific Solution was highly successful in its goal of reducing the amount of illegal entrants arriving in the Australian waters by boat. Arrivals dropped from a total of 5516 people in 2001 to only 1 arrival in all of 2002 after implementation of the policy. The low level of boat arrivals continued all the way through the Pacific Solution period. Since the abolition of the policy there has been a sharp increase in boatpeople arrivals with over 2700 boatpeople arriving in 2009 alone. During the Pacific Solution period, the Howard Government was able to begin closing detention centres due to the lower number of unauthorised arrivals. Christmas Island detention centre was built and finished during the Pacific Solution but was never opened by the Howard Government due to the very low level of arrivals. Baxter, Woomera and Curtin detention centres were all closed during the Pacific Solution. The Labor government opened Christmas Island detention centre late 2008 after a wave of boatpeople, and has since expanded facilities accommodation there, importing donga's from the Northern Territory. The amount of boatpeople making it to Australia who were put through the Pacific Solution process was much lower than those who arrive through the current scheme. Only around 40% of Pacific Solution boatpeople were granted Australian Visas, another 30% went to other countries and another 30% were sent home. This compares to around a 90% approval when coming via boat through the current Rudd/Gillard Scheme. |
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I can see the woefully weighted argument you try to make AFL - but its really clutching at straws mate. Honestly.
Haven't heard much of this argument in the public arena. Think you'll find there's a reason for that. Again, because its a fanciful and weak argument - I mean yes the boundaries were re-defined that was part of the policy. Bottom line remains: fewer people make the deadly journey to Australia in leaky boats and many of our detention centres were closed due to lack of numbers. To suggest on a technicality there were numbers not counted is just nonsense. Truly. |
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Mining tax---bought in by labor
carbon tax--- soon to be bought in by labor new property taxes---- bought in by labor interest rate rises---bought to you by labor electricity price explosion---- came in under labor boat people disaster--- happening under labor pink batts deaths and botched jobs----- administered by labor nsw has no govt for 3 months---- govt closed by labor stay tuned for 2011 for the continuation of labor and its disasters. as a side note--- has labor got anything right since it gained office federally? The only thing I can think of is wayne swan stopped the chinese buying Rio Tinto. The rest of the time they have lurched from one disaster to the next crisis to the next tax hike. 10 years from now kids will be studying in school "the labour years- a study in disasters." |
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The UNHCR estimates that 1600 people were diverted to the excluded ex- Australian Territory locations thus not being counted as Asylum Seekers or Boat people but hard numbers are difficult to come by.
Yet we know that SIEV(s) 5,7,11 and 12 in 2002 attempted to make the journey and were returned to Indonesia while SIEV(s) 4,6 and 10 actually sank. That was in very late 2001 through late 2002. In 2003 we know that boats were still attempting to make the voyage such as SIEV 14, but were again towed back from whence they came. What the 1600 figure doesn’t take into account are the numbers that attempted the voyage but were turned back – nor those that sank or were suspected of being lost at sea. |
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So we have nearly 1700 Australian Asylum Seekers not added to the figures of boat arrivals during the LIBS reign. That could be more than 50 boats.
The LIBS say that having soft border control and soft treatment of asylum seekers is driving more and more of these people to our shores. These PULL factors out weigh the PUSH factors of Persecution, Famine, Starvation, Floods etc. Including the level of unrest in our region. The figures don't add up. In effect they are saying that the millions of refugees in the world are motivated by moving to the Countries with soft border controls. When in truth they are forced by the push factors to seek refuge in any country that gives them sanctuary. |
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The LIBS say that having soft border control and soft treatment of asylum seekers is driving more and more of these people to our shores. ERRRR SO DO THE ACTUAL PEOPLE SMUGGLERS.so do the asylum seekers.Did you not see the ABC { a pro labor station ] show where a number of people smugglers in various locations as well as people waiting to be smuggled said "kevin rudd makes it easy to come " Further the "howard years" policies are irrelevant to deal with the current situation. THinking howards policies were bad does not axiomatically made Gilliards policy good. What occurred in 2003 does not help the recently drowned kids off christmas island. Your thinking AFL is more concerned with scoring polital points against the libs rather than DEALING with the problems.Thats the exact same way Gillard and co think and behave.Thats exactly why the boats keep coming, its why the pink batts situation got out of control.Its why the broadband build is being forced on us and it why we will have a carbon tax forced on us WITHOUT reducing emissions or increasing renwables. Labor in its current version is an unmitigated disaster for this country at every level.What the libs stand for or what they did 7 years ago does not change this fact. |
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Spot on "money for nothing" - government policy/privatisation is hell bent pouring everything into the "end user" only a matter of time come the gambling ranks.
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In effect they are saying that the millions of refugees in the world are motivated by moving to the Countries with soft border controls. When in truth they are forced by the push factors to seek refuge in any country that gives them sanctuary.
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You two socialists (AFL and Wombleoz) want to talk about slogans?
'Moving forward' voted 2010s most annoying phrase By Simon Black From: news.com.au December 23, 2010 IN what was a "rich year for 'manglish' and gobbledegook" Labor's catch-cry from the federal election has been voted the most annoying phrase of 2010. “Moving forward” beat hundreds of pieces of jargon, spin and obfuscation to top The Plain English Foundation’s inaugural list ahead of others like “thought shower”, “maggoted” and “disintermediate”. Executive director Neil James said the phrase was a narrow winner in a strong field but had to win because it showed the election had been driven “more by focus-group research than political leadership”. “Just when we thought this business cliché had dropped from use, Julia Gillard robotically repeated the phrase more than 20 times during her announcement of the election,” Dr James said. Read more: http://www.news.com.au/moving-forward-voted-2010s-most-annoying-phrase/story-e6frfkp9-1225975586656#ixzz18vWGbQAg |
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highest fuel prices of the year..merry christmas and fk you oil companies!! [>o]
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Wishing all of those participants on this thread a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Stay safe and enjoy the time with your families and friends.
I'm off to Melbourne and Tasmania for Christmas and New Year celebrations with family, but, I'll be back ready and raring for a big 2011 of debate on this thread and many others. Lots to look forward to in 2011 and a few elections to boot! All the best. |
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i'd suggest a new thread for a new year Jez but will go with the flow
Merry Christmas All - have a wonderful break if you're having one, just be careful of excess emissions at the dinner table [;)] |
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definitely need a new thread for the new year but we're not there yet
Jez is probably on holidays but I couldn't resist posting this when i saw it, from the Herald Sun website THE State Government has frozen the expansion of myki as it considers whether to scrap the troubled smartcard. The Herald Sun can reveal the new Government has put the brakes on the planned introduction of myki to V/Line regional services. It has also ordered the abandonment of plans to switch off the existing Metcard by Easter. A system for commuters to top up their accounts through bus drivers has also been halted. The Government has commissioned a major accounting firm to conduct a broad audit of the troubled $1.35 billion smartcard. If it was Labor still in charge the media would be saying "government calls for another inquiry" but.... How stupid is this guy??? The system is up and running, not perfect but working - why the hell would you not fix the bugs rather than talk about scraping it if you weren't just playing politics - pathetic |
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What rot, wombleoz.
I've criticised Labor governments when they have repeatedly turned to reviews and committees (again, I say REPEATEDLY) as a way of bandaiding or flobbing off an issue. I'll continue to criticise any government that makes this habit. The Rudd-Gillard Government a prime example. Ted is the leader of a fresh new government - wanting to get Victoria moving again, after 11 years of wasteful, debt-laden and botchful Labor. I think considering this is an accounting audit of the project and its operation - I doubt it falls under committee or review - your clutching at straws and using this desperate to take a swipe at a very young government. I think its the right call. It would be foolish to make hasty decision on this, considering its a completely FKD Labor project.....I mean, god knows what they will find deep within this billion dollar shamozzle. |
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P.S - typical progressives.
Wombleoz, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Nothing wrong with this thread, and I think the topic rings true, even still. Labour = tax tax tax......and tax again ![]() ![]() |
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LOL happy new year Jez, will start 2011 thread in a minute or two
It is broke, fix it is what I'm saying - don't scrap something that mostly works |
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happy new year womble.[;)]
Unfortunatly for you it wont be a good year for you and the comrades. Your time is over. NSW to fall 1st, then QLD and who knows- maybe even joolia. on the other hand, for the righteous and free it promises to be a great year. ![]() |
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Seven steps to pave way for Abbott PM
Peter van Onselen, Contributing editor From: The Australian January 01, 2011 12:00AM TONY Abbott exceeded expectations in 2010, not only by almost defeating Labor at the election but with the discipline he displayed throughout the year. The prevailing wisdom was that Abbott's discipline would at some point fade, and he would expose for public view a radical conservative agenda behind his leadership. Instead Abbott immediately grew into the leadership role he unexpectedly seized in late 2009 when Malcolm Turnbull's leadership collapsed, understanding that once leader of the party he needed to tone down parts of his historical agenda to ensure that he appealed across the party. But 2011 is a new year, and there are no guarantees that the same approach will succeed. Below are key things Abbott must do this year if he wants to maintain the momentum he built up in 2010, and even build on it in order to defeat Labor at the next poll. 1. Abbott must develop a clear set of alternative policies and ideological objectives. The mantra that the Coalition at least isn't Labor may not be enough to sustain the opposition during another round of wilderness years, especially if Julia Gillard manages to find her way. Voters want to cast a ballot for hope, not out of fear. At the moment they fear Labor can't do a competent job of governing, and Abbott's ferocious attacks help feed that impression. It would be useful for the opposition to also build an alternative vision for the future. Apart from anything else it would help repel Labor's attacks that conservatives are political dinosaurs. 2. The Liberal Party must professionalise so that Labor cannot successfully sandbag key marginal seats. The campaign out of NSW at the last election was dreadful. Labor held seats such as Lindsay, Banks and Robertson, where Liberal postal vote applications were thin on the ground. Part of harmonising the Liberal Party's campaign unit should include moving Victorian state director Tony Nutt into the federal sphere. Brian Loughnane has now presided over three federal election campaigns, arguably two too many. It is time to turn to a proven winner. Nutt guided the Liberal Party to an unlikely state victory in the home state of Robert Menzies, and before that he spent years outmanoeuvring Labor as part of John Howard's senior staff. 3. Demolishing the National Broadband Network is all important, but the way it is done is crucial. Liberals can't simply hope to ride to victory by turning it into another Building the Education Revolution cost blow-out, or a pink-batts style disaster. The NBN needs to be demolished in the context of an alternative policy to modernise the nation with broadband. That was the opposition's problem at the election: it didn't sell its alternative. Turnbull has the capacity to develop a more cost-effective alternative that rolls out fibre to key infrastructure points and lets wireless technology take over from there. Such a scheme properly sold could convince voters that they get the best of what Labor's scheme offers (such as fast broadband for operations in rural hospitals) at a fraction of the cost. But it would still be expensive, so the Coalition's expenditure review committee must budget for it. 4. Abbott must get more out of his shadow ministers. Oppositions often lose elections because the government successfully paints them as devoid of talent. For all the limited attention paid by the Coalition to renewing its ranks during the last parliamentary term, it managed to bring in quality MPs such as Kelly O'Dwyer, Paul Fletcher and Josh Freydenburg. All three are ministers in waiting. But the front bench includes a range of talented individuals who must use this term to help Abbott push the Coalition's cause if it is to get back into power, rather than positioning for their own future ambitions. Abbott is blessed with a large number of former ministers in his shadow ministerial ranks, and a good number of them aren't all that old. The balance of the line-up is generally strong on paper; they just need to be given more responsibility by the leader's office to press the Coalition's cause. 5. More women in the Coalition's ranks as preselections come around is vital. Labor significantly outperforms the conservatives when it comes to getting women into parliament. That's because Labor has a quota system. Liberals won't tolerate quotas, so Abbott must use his political capital to support female candidates. It would boost his stocks with female voters who remain wary about him as prime minister. 6. Spending time campaigning in the non-mining states that didn't move support away from Labor at the last election will be important for Abbott. He won seats in NSW, Queensland and WA, but not in South Australia or Tasmania, and he went backwards in Gillard's home state of Victoria. Abbott can't neglect Queensland, lest the anti-Labor vote inspired by Kevin Rudd's removal comes back, and he needs to be wary of NSW voters returning to Labor once they punish the state ALP government in March. But if Abbott can trust his campaign team to hold the line in these states, there is a large number of seats in the non-mining states that should be able to be won back with a positive Liberal agenda, and once they get used to the idea that Abbott is a viable alternative PM. 7. The final challenge is the most difficult. Abbott needs to resolve the differences among senior colleagues in his ranks. It is a viper pit at the top of the shadow ministerial tree. Joe Hockey and Andrew Robb loathe each other. Julie Bishop and Ian Macfarlane don't feel all that differently about one another. Turnbull continues to be viewed with caution by colleagues who can't believe he would be happy to serve under Abbott as prime minister. These differences can be papered over while Labor remains a mess. But if the government finds form in 2011 opposition disunity will hit the headlines. Abbott should try to address the dysfunction while he has the authority to do so and before doing so creates its own headlines. The summer months are the perfect time. The Liberals need to learn the lessons of history. After the 1998 election the Howard government was shattered: it had lost most of its majority, scraped home at the election with less than 50 per cent of the vote, and faced the prospect of the very thing it fought the election over (the GST) being defeated in the Senate. Howard spent most of the term looking like a spent force and Kim Beazley deliberately rolled up into a ball and refused to release policies or reform dysfunction in the Labor Party. When Howard's political fortunes changed the opposition was unable to react because it had not done the preparation. Abbott, if he wants to be prime minister, must not make the same mistake. |
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I often criticise Peter, but a great opinion piece from him today. Spot on in my view.
Very succinct on the NBN: "Turnbull has the capacity to develop a more cost-effective alternative that rolls out fibre to key infrastructure points and lets wireless technology take over from there." And also in bringing current Vic Liberal Director, Tony Nutt back into the Federal fold. Tony did some amazing things in the Victorian campaign - he is a workhorse. Tony Abbott will be Prime Minister - its a matter of time. |
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Happy New Year Mrben - no Qld election this year so there goes that prediction
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wombleoz would have to believe the Liberals blocked everything last term..............
Uh ohhhhh. Guess what? They DIDN'T! ![]() ![]() ![]() Hence why we had FK up after FK up from the Rudd-turned-Gillard Government - you notice how wombleoz doesn't ever directly answer a question? He flobs it off - talks about how we're doing "pretty good really ".But wombleoz would say that. Mediocrity is king. Well I say its not good enough. Why was a first term PM was chopped up and a first term government brought to its knee and wiped of a majority? Because they had self-admittingly lost their way and failed on many fronts. [>o] And surprise surprise. Nothings changed. Promises Promises Promises in 2011. Delivery and Decisions, says Julia. ![]() You can understand why the Australian people groan and mock when they hear this. We've heard it all before - nothings changed its the same old Labor - do nothing, build debt, waste chronically and spin spin spin. Time to change the government. Time for genuine and strong leadership. It's time for Tony Abbott and the Coalition team. ......and its coming soon ![]() ![]() |
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Yeah ... we're opposites alright. I like having a red under my bed and a green partner in my bed!
At the last Federal election, the order I voted on my ticket was: 1. Secular 2. Green 3. ALP 4. Communist 5. Independent 6. Independent 7. Liberal |
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Don't ask me how this post ended up in a thread I've never looked at before ...
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TQI met my Mrs at a Liberal function. |
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As always, a very interesting blog from Peter Brent.
Changes of government in 2011 Mumble Blog | The Australia | 4th January 2011 How many changes of government will Australia see in 2011? Well, NSW is a dead certainty. I’ve previously anticipated it won’t be as bad for the ALP as recent polls indicate. But it will still be very bad. Anna Bligh may decide to go early if there’s an upturn in the polls. Or perhaps they’ll roll her and then ‘do a Julia’, going early. Then we’d see a change in Queensland. But really not likely this year. Colin Barnett in WA, with continuing friendly polls, might perhaps call an early one. But not very probable because one of the lessons people are taking from his surprise 2008 victory is that voters don’t like early elections. (Incidentally, it is reported that the WA Labor opposition is considering installing its brightest star as leader. If that happens, said star will eventually settle in to terrible poll ratings, get trounced at the next election (if he makes it that far), be cut down and then go down in history as a dud. What a waste.) And federally, a change of government is possible. Just. A certain logic says this government will go the full term. Independents won’t withdraw support, no Labor members would dare retire. But it might not turn out that way. Andrew Wilkie is, perhaps, a dark horse. Maybe the most temperamental of the three. If he made it 75 all, or 75 to 74, what would the other two do? Then there’s the Kevin Rudd wildcard. His seat of Griffith has a comfortable 8.5 percent margin which under normal circumstances would make it safe. But these are strange days. Some commentators believe voters like this hung parliament, that it is a breath of fresh air and so on. I doubt that’s so. The current government is not quite a real government, and Gillard is not a real prime minister. Some of the problem is her lack of confidence. Even more than Kevin Rudd, she seems scared voters won’t like her. And steeped in Labor focus group mythology, she’s instinctively inclined towards ‘clever poltics’. Which is not so clever really. This is an insecure government, with politically insecure people - hi Wayne! - at the top and it shows. The Greens are the worse hung parliament component for Labor. Swinging/middle voters don’t mind governments supported by independents, but they’re not fans of the Greens. And Sarah Hanson-Young taking credit for everything she can makes Labor look weak and captured. If there’s a by-people in a Labor seat, voters might decide this hung parliament thing just ain’t working and it’s worth giving Tony Abbott a go. It’ll only be until the next general election anyway. On the other hand, a by-election in a marginal Coalition seat could, perhaps, see a swing to the government if voters there (with the help of the ALP) anticipate it’ll cut the Greens out of the equation. Voters may say they can’t stand arrogance, but really that’s what they want. A strong government with authority which will do unpopular things from time to time. We thought we knew what would happen in 2010 but surprising things happened. It’s reasonable to expect the unexpected this year too. |
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C'mon lads, can't let this thread die a few posts before 1600.
Plus the thread title has such an appropriate ring to it. ![]() |