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wombleoz Date Joined: 15 Feb 03 When: 15 Dec 10 21:08 I'm sorry if you thought it was implied that you shared that line of thinking, I know you don't and are actually compassionate rather than out and out racist like some of the ones that do ..................................................................................................... I agree with womble as well Jez. My take on the Herald Sun posts was not meant to imply that you hold the same views as many of those disgusting comments. While i disagree with you on some things, it doesn't make me right and you wrong. You have made it quite clear that you hold the plight of the refugees as important as anyone else. It is a very emotive issue. By and large the posts on this thread have been vigorous without stooping to personal abuse, and that's a good thing. imo.  |
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If you can't see that Jez...then you are blinded by the spin.  The pot calling the kettle black statement of the YEAR!!!! |
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The issue of the Assylum Seekers is not about the so called 'People Smugglers.'
Just like the 'War on Drugs,' we are now going to have the 'War on People Smugglers.' They are a convienient diversion for Govt's, looking for scapegoats, so they can be seen to be doing something. They embarrass Govt's, because they are doing the job that Govt's should be doing themselves. The Refugees will still come by boats......just in smaller groups, who will still enlist poor Indonessian fishermen to transport them. A diversion from the real problem of the Refugee Camps and the appaling conditions and the length of time the Refugees spend in them waiting to be processed. If any Gov't really had the Refugees plight at heart, and are so worried about the perilous voyage, they would send our own boats over to pick up our quota and transport them ourselves. IMO. |
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Mrben 15/12/10
Since the year is nearly over I can say I had a pretty good year.Punting took a back seat but I did fantastic on financial markets.3 overseas trips...... How was Tassie? |
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Short answer is No Womble ...but so many blatant lies coming out of Labour in Qld ...frightful
The electorate is a lot smarter than they use to be considering...I mean a casual observer like myself is clearly picking things up. Everything is being placed on households re utilities |
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Date Joined: 21 Jul 08 Add contact | Send message When: 17 Dec 10 01:13 Mrben 15/12/10 How was Tassie? I guess you would know AFL.Is'nt that where you live with your "cousins"???[smiley:crazy] |
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Date Joined: 25 Oct 03 Add contact | Send message When: 16 Dec 10 22:34 By: AFL If you can't see that Jez...then you are blinded by the spin. The pot calling the kettle black statement of the YEAR!!!! Did this upset you AFL? Little bit too close to the truth for you? You labor fanatics dont like the truth too much, now do you? over to you for the next irresistable insult.Go for it. |
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Maybee you should go back and re-read this thread that you started. My insults on this thread have been directed in the main at the politicians, and any time that i have felt that i have offended anybody i have posted an apology. You will notice that nearly all the personal insults on this thred have come from your side of the fence.
So i an terribly sorry that if my views offend you. I'd hardly call making a joke abut a trip to Tassie, is a personal insult, but if it is to you then i apoligise. |
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Que Mrben trawling back through this thread searching for a personal insult from me to cut and paste any minute.
Sorry if that offends......In anticipation |
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Cue
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If he finds one.....I'm not going to apoligise.
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Seriously though Mrben,if you start a thread like this you must at least expect to have people of differing views post on it......unless you were just looking for people that agreed with you. Nothing wrong with a robust debate, and i agree that the personal insults should be left out of it. You fired the first shot this morning, and i tried to respond in humorous way that is all.....and i do sincerly apoligise if you are offended.
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Shake Hands?....[;)]
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If you can't see that Jez...then you are blinded by the spin.LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh The pot calling the kettle black statement of the YEAR!!!! C'mon Mrben....you post that this morning and then crack the sh1ts because i respond.(trying to be humorous) rather than firing an insult back. And you don't even accept an apology when it's offered.....Got me beat????? |
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Also your RE-EDITING of my original post to Jez you have placed the 30 odd smileys in a way that it appears that i placed them in the original post. I did not, you added them into my post. If you are going to cast aspersations.....get it right.
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can you 2 get a room - or find a boxing ring [;)]
agree 100% again, speed up processing through the camps and people won't be as against going into them and waiting Governments get stale - just look at NSW and now Qld not far behind - I just wish there was a better alternative to the Liberals to replace them with!!! Where's Jez??? |
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Coalition overtakes Labor in latest poll
ABC News Online - abc.net.au/news A new poll puts support for the federal Opposition ahead of the Government for the first time since this year's federal election. The latest Morgan Poll shows the Coalition has gained 4 per cent since the start of December to 51.5 per cent on a two-party preferred basis. Support for the Labor Party has dropped 4 per cent to 48.5 per cent. Labor's primary vote fell to 38 per cent behind the Coalition at 43, while support for the Greens and independents is unchanged. According to the poll, if a federal election was held now the Coalition would win government. The face-to-face survey was conducted last weekend in the midst of the WikiLeaks issue involving Julian Assange. It also found the number of Australians who are confident the country is heading in the right direction has dropped by 3 per cent to 49. |
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election is the best part of 3 years away Jez, don't get too excited
mind you, if you look at the polls you will tend to see the Liberal numbers approve dramatically when Abbott isn't saying much - coincidence? i think not  not denying the Liberals have a team working on online forums??? maybe they are paying you to post here??? [;)] |
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I think we all agree that the Greens and Labor are in front on this thread though.
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easily AFL, very easily
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The BER outcome: Time to correct the record
by Bernard Keane Here, in a nutshell, is the result of months of expensive work by the Orgill review team examining the government’s Building the Education Revolution component of its stimulus packages: * It will support, all up, about 120,000 jobs directly and indirectly, “filling a gap left in demand from the private sector and playing an important role in supporting apprentices and skill retention in the building and construction industry”. * The program’s impact was “most pronounced” in its first year, when it was needed most. * The new infrastructure is, in the review team’s opinion, “sorely needed, particularly in government schools”. * The review received complaints from 294 schools across the entire program — 3% of the 10,000-odd school projects. * The review team closely examined 57 projects, nearly all of which were drawn from “the most egregious complaints received by the Taskforce or were selected from our reading of media reports”. Seventeen of those 57 projects were found to fail the value-for-money criteria established by the review team. * Extrapolating that 17/57 figure across all complaints (even though the selected projects were “the most egregious”) suggests the rate of valid complaints about value for money is 0.9% of all projects. * The review has lowered its estimate of how much more the NSW government paid in order to deliver its projects quickly, from 5-6% to “at the bottom of that range, around 5 per cent”. * The total complaint rate even for NSW government school projects, which attracted more than half of all complaints, was 7%. In short, the report is a comprehensive demolition of the campaign that has been run against the program by the opposition — which having missed out with two independent reports now wants a third — and The Australian. That campaign has consisted of claims that the BER was providing poor value for money, that it was useless because it wouldn’t provide any stimulus until after the economy recovered, that the infrastructure was entirely unnecessary, that it was all a “debacle”. In fact, the BER has been a gold standard stimulus program, delivering tens of thousands of jobs, when they were needed, building needed infrastructure, across a vast number of locations, with an almost derisory complaint rate even in NSW, where the government rushed the program as quickly as possible. And what of The Australian and journalists like Matthew Franklin, who has sat in the press gallery bureau and waged a campaign against the program? Or the ABC journalists happy to follow the News Limited line and parrot that the program was a “debacle” on par with the insulation program? Perhaps those journalists should ask the tens of thousands of men and women in the construction industry who still have jobs despite the collapse in private construction since the GFC, who are still in work despite the commercial construction sector grinding to a halt, despite new housing construction going into a precipitate decline this year. Ask the apprentices still learning on the job. Ask their families, their partners and kids. Ask the retailers where they shop. Ask their banks. Check with them if they think it was a “debacle”. That’s not likely to happen either. The media doesn’t like the construction industry, despite it being one of our biggest employers. Maybe it’s journalistic snobbery about manual labour. Or maybe it’s because the only yarn from the construction industry that the media is interested in is about union thuggery. Particularly at The Australian, which led the charge in favour of the Howard government’s assault on the CFMEU — an assault that led to a systematic abrogation of basic civil rights, in the form of the ABCC, and a big rise in workplace deaths. Is it any wonder the Coalition and the media despise a program that has been critical in keeping the industry going since the GFC? |
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^crikey.com.au^
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What a sad state of affairs.
Rather than read the report and make your own comments, you've resorted pasting the commentary from a small half-baked electronic media magazine. Try reading the report for yourself AFL. http://www.bertaskforce.gov.au/pages/default.aspx/ The blatant waste and mismanagement of the BER scheme is well documented in the report. Cherry-pick if you like, but there is plenty of scathing critisism within the reports released to date. I don't think the pathetic excuses given by the Rudd-Gillard Government really cut the mustard for the chronic waste, comprehensive rip-offs and the decent push by the Opposition and other media outlets (such as The Australian) for the pursuit of maximum bang for the taxpayers buck, is unreasonable. |
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* Extrapolating that 17/57 figure across all complaints (even though the selected projects were “the most egregious”) suggests the rate of valid complaints about value for money is 0.9% of all projects.
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Think for yourself AFL. Read the report. Not rocket science....CRIKEY! |
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In short, the report is a comprehensive demolition of the campaign that has been run against the program by the opposition — which having missed out with two independent reports now wants a third
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I am sure all the blokes that can now afford to put Christmas dinner on the table for their families this year thanks to this program, instead of heading off to the Salvos to see what the can get, I am sure they don't think it's been a waste of money.
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Thought you, wombleoz and Julia were all about MOVING FORWARD
 If so, why the dwelling on the past. Clearly no ideas, vision or leadership for the future. But a never-ending supply of failures. fkn Labor. No doubt about it. It's a mess. |
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I'm sure they don't Joel. No one ever said this program didn't have its positives.
But to suggest it was a nation-saving exercise, accountable, on-budget and delivered bang for taxpayers buck is ludicrous. It was another opportunity wasted by Labor. These are the facts. |
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What brochure was that copy from Jez.
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You still haven't found Tony's other ear...
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Considering the blatant paste job from AFL, I think in fairness.
The Australian deserves a right to reply. |
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Chronicle of opportunities wasted on school halls
From: The Australian December 16, 2010 IT is clear from the Building the Education Revolution Implementation Taskforce report released yesterday that the program, in general, is delivering quality infrastructure to Australian schools within the timeframes set by government. Some of the classrooms and school libraries pictured in the report are of a standard that most adults could not have imagined when they were at school. Despite the vast majority of positive outcomes, the report also highlighted serious shortcomings. It set out painful, important lessons that federal and state governments must apply to future and current programs, including the National Broadband Network. Good intentions can never justify poor policy and waste, even in a crisis. Even if the lessons are learned, however, the $16.2 billion spent on the BER, overall, was a waste of a once-in-a-generation opportunity to invest in improved education standards. Given its protracted record of abysmal incompetence and the examples of arrant waste revealed by this newspaper, it was no surprise that the NSW government was the worst performer of the 22 education authorities -- state, Catholic and independent -- involved in the BER. NSW state schools had the highest cost per square metre while delivering, on average, the smallest facilities. Of 294 complaints to the Taskforce, 161 related to NSW state schools, more than all other states and authorities combined. As well as poor value, the main problem was over-centralisation of decision-making, even about small projects. In NSW and elsewhere, cookie-cutter designs were applied with scant regard to the needs of individual schools. Tasmanian school communities, by contrast, fared better because they were included in planning decisions, design and project management. Catholic and independent schools were also customised projects. In Victoria, building is behind schedule but a slower, more careful approach allowed some projects to be retendered, resulting in lower costs and fees. The BER program was justified as a boost to the construction industry, which was under threat from the financial crisis. It is now clear that most BER projects did not pass the "shovel-ready" test set at the time. One in 10 projects has still not started and 50 per cent are still under construction. When the financial crisis emerged, the Rudd government moved quickly to stimulate the economy with one-off payments to householders, a response that prompted The Australian to name Kevin Rudd our Australian of the Year. But by September last year, when it was apparent Australia would avoid recession, the government should have recalibrated the BER, the largest component of its $42bn stimulus. By then, Julia Gillard, as education minister, should have ensured that the spending added greater educational value beyond canteens and halls. Her failure to do so suggests the government was motivated, at least in part, by political considerations. As we said as early as February last year, $16.2bn was "an extraordinary amount to spend on projects that will add nothing much to GDP." The opportunity costs were high, and such a chance is unlikely to be repeated. The expensive lessons about waste and centralised bureaucratic control of local projects must be heeded. |
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The symbolism of that photo is that he doesn't listen.
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And so the longstanding left wing ideology of attack the man not the ball, continues.
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Clearly if you want to talk about cherry-picking, it is the cherry-picking of the mainstream media lead by CH7 and the Australian with their NOW PROVEN totally cherry-picked and biased reporting, by highlighting the supposedly worst cases without properly informing the public of the true status of the programme.
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Thats nonsense.
If you actually read The Australian daily as I do, you would see that credit is given where credit is due on the BER scheme. But I see no problem in applying accountability to a significant billion-dollar program. It's funny how Labor are so afraid of scrutiny. The Howard Government were kept to account by the media (and of course the various outlets that are more favourable to the ALP) with programs it ran that were problematic. Thats politics AFL, ffs. |
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It's just funny how Labor and the words, debacle, mismanagement and waste seem to appear together in news articles frequently across ALL media outlets.
I think it would serve Labor and you comrades well to maybe look at yourselves and your governing rather than dishing up advice to those reporting the news. |
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and that is a sad statement on the conduct of the above media outlets.
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