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Vintage Clouds will he get in?
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got a low weight for sure 35 to go out b4 he gets in so anyones guess. i like cause of causes of that weight at 25/1 and Vieux lion roiuge at 50/1 acapeela beorgiose will also get a few quiod on it
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140 on here
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tom segal has put up today
total recall 14/1 gold present 25/1 |
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best lay them then
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Well i was very keen on Milansbar in the Welsh National and very disappointed with the way he jumped in rear.
New jockey and different tactics saw a proper performance at Warwick winning the same race as Arthur did last year. Dont know if Bryony will be available to ride in the National but if she is then must have a serious chance off a mark of 143 and 10-02. a raise of 9 pounds is fair enough. I really like the Milans over extreme distances on the soft Just got to get in now |
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Caroles Destrier looks to have a lot of positives. The Sandown Gold cup win and the Hennessy second are stand out pieces of form regarding this race. It seems the Grand National was very much on the agenda for him last year but he missed it for whatever reason. Be interesting to see how he runs on Wednesday. I am a bit concerned that he is entered in a veterans race but 66/1 looks worth taking a chance on.
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Carole's Destrier form in the Hennessy is far and away the best form relative to its weight. I believe it was injured in the Welsh national. It wouldn't concern me running in a veterans race, it's only 10 and an ideal age. Probably going there as the going looks like it will be good and its a flat track. Obviously how it runs will show whether it still retains the ability it showed last season. It's more or less take a chance and bet now and if it runs well you have a great bet but if it bombs out you've already lost your money !!
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSI-3VuKTmlnzqKmhkOB1RQ/videos
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Henderson, Patrick Mullins, Elliott and Jonjo talking about their national entries. Annoying that they are each 15 seconds but some interesting sound bites
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Horse must be gone at the game. A shame really as did have a lot of form positives. I think I've done my money though.
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Have to agree. Made excuses re heavy ground etc in the past but there can't be any for the Doncaster run. Been a spectacular decline really as it didn't look as if it is capable of winning anything now. Makes you wonder why it gets entered in the GN as it must be no better on the gallops unless there is a dramatic turnaround, I wont be banking on it though.
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My last straw to clutch is that they are still keeping handicap mark down for Cheltenham/aintree double. Something like the Kim Muir which sunnyhillboy nearly pulled off. It's the only hope to cling to.
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I didn't know at the time of writing that he actually has been entered up at Cheltenham. That has given me a bit more hope than what I did previously had. Won't throw it away just yet.
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That was a nearly £19000 race at Donny and a lot less competitive than Cheltenham. Worryingly he was never travelling even in the first few furlongs. Wouldn't be surprised to see it scratched from the GN next forfeit stage but as you say that's what straws are for. to be clutched at. Waiting for the next one to bomb out now, Noble Endeavor lol
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Latest scratchings anyone? Only 90 left today they say.
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This is Mully- sort your stupid cookies out Betfair.
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Looks like I'm captured in time on my old profile
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Finally got logged in...
THE FOLLOWING 14 ENTRIES HAVE BEEN SCRATCHED: BRISTOL DE MAI, NOBLE ENDEAVOR, VYTA DU ROC, POLIDAM, ABOLITIONIST, SILSOL, THREE FACES WEST, SAMETEGAL, VIEUX MORVAN, ARBRE DE VIE, BALLYALTON, MISSED APPROACH, BRAVISSIMO, & THEBARROWMAN from the Grand National. |
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Welcome back Mully! plenty of time to sort this lot out!
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Seeyouatmidnight is bang up there on my shortlist.
Seeyouatmidnight was also an excellent three-length third in the 2016 Scottish Grand National at Ayr behind the Paul Nicholls-trained Vicente and was set to reappear at Kelso today. |
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do we have an up to date list of enteries?
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Runner Age Trainer OR/Weight
Definitly Red 9 165 Edwulf 9 164 Outlander 10 163 Minella Rocco 8 162 Blaklion 9 161 Sub Lieutenant 9 160 Anibale Fly 8 159 The Last Samuri 10 159 Mala Beach 10 158 Valseur Lido 9 158 American 8 157 Total Recall 9 156 Alpha Des Obeaux 8 155 Gold Present 8 155 Perfect Candidate 11 154 Sizing Codelco 9 154 Cause Of Causes 10 153 Shantou Flyer 8 153 Carlingford Lough 12 152 O O Seven 8 152 Tenor Nivernais 11 152 Go Conquer 9 151 Traffic Fluide 9 151 Vicente 9 151 Acapella Bourgeois 8 150 Rathvinden 10 150 Regal Encore 10 150 Tiger Roll 8 150 Vieux Lion Rouge 9 150 A Genie In Abottle 7 149 As De Mee 8 149 Chase The Spud 10 149 Rock The Kasbah 8 149 Seeyouatmidnight 10 149 Warriors Tale 9 149 Bellshill 8 148 Flying Angel 7 148 Gas Line Boy 12 148 Pleasant Company 10 148 The Dutchman 8 148 Beeves 11 147 Saint Are 12 147 Ucello Conti 10 147 Caroles Destrier 10 146 Long House Hall 10 146 Raz De Maree 13 146 Baie Des Iles 8 145 Buywise 11 145 Childrens List 8 145 I Just Know 8 145 Maggio 13 145 Pendra 10 145 Virgilio 9 145 Captain Redbeard 9 144 Houblon Des Obeaux 11 144 Lord Windermere 12 144 Third Intention 11 144 Wild West Wind 9 144 Bless The Wings 13 143 Double Ross 12 143 Final Nudge 9 143 Milansbar 11 143 Morning Assembly 11 143 Delusionofgrandeur 8 142 Road To Riches 11 142 Thunder And Roses 10 142 Vintage Clouds 8 141 Walk in the Mill 8 141 General Principle 9 139 Vic De Touzaine 9 139 Wounded Warrior 9 139 Bonny Kate 8 138 Cogry 9 138 Mysteree 10 138 Sir Mangan 10 138 Splash Of Ginge 10 138 Braqueur Dor 7 137 Minella Daddy 8 137 Pairofbrowneyes 9 137 Relentless Dreamer 9 137 Knock House 9 136 The Young Master 9 135 Alfie Spinner 13 133 Henri Parry Morgan 10 133 Phil's Magic 8 133 Dancing Shadow 9 132 Rogue Angel 10 132 Out Sam 9 130 Krackatoa King 10 127 Goodtoknow 10 126 |
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Runner Age Trainer OR/Weight
Definitly Red 9 165 Edwulf 9 164 Outlander 10 163 Minella Rocco 8 162 Blaklion 9 161 Sub Lieutenant 9 160 Anibale Fly 8 159 The Last Samuri 10 159 Mala Beach 10 158 Valseur Lido 9 158 American 8 157 Total Recall 9 156 Alpha Des Obeaux 8 155 Gold Present 8 155 Perfect Candidate 11 154 Sizing Codelco 9 154 Cause Of Causes 10 153 Shantou Flyer 8 153 Carlingford Lough 12 152 O O Seven 8 152 Tenor Nivernais 11 152 Go Conquer 9 151 Traffic Fluide 9 151 Vicente 9 151 Acapella Bourgeois 8 150 Rathvinden 10 150 Regal Encore 10 150 Tiger Roll 8 150 Vieux Lion Rouge 9 150 A Genie In Abottle 7 149 As De Mee 8 149 Chase The Spud 10 149 Rock The Kasbah 8 149 Seeyouatmidnight 10 149 Warriors Tale 9 149 Bellshill 8 148 Flying Angel 7 148 Gas Line Boy 12 148 Pleasant Company 10 148 The Dutchman 8 148 Beeves 11 147 Saint Are 12 147 Ucello Conti 10 147 Caroles Destrier 10 146 Long House Hall 10 146 Raz De Maree 13 146 Baie Des Iles 8 145 Buywise 11 145 Childrens List 8 145 I Just Know 8 145 Maggio 13 145 Pendra 10 145 Virgilio 9 145 Captain Redbeard 9 144 Houblon Des Obeaux 11 144 Lord Windermere 12 144 Third Intention 11 144 Wild West Wind 9 144 Bless The Wings 13 143 Double Ross 12 143 Final Nudge 9 143 Milansbar 11 143 Morning Assembly 11 143 Delusionofgrandeur 8 142 Road To Riches 11 142 Thunder And Roses 10 142 Vintage Clouds 8 141 Walk in the Mill 8 141 General Principle 9 139 Vic De Touzaine 9 139 Wounded Warrior 9 139 Bonny Kate 8 138 Cogry 9 138 Mysteree 10 138 Sir Mangan 10 138 Splash Of Ginge 10 138 Braqueur Dor 7 137 Minella Daddy 8 137 Pairofbrowneyes 9 137 Relentless Dreamer 9 137 Knock House 9 136 The Young Master 9 135 Alfie Spinner 13 133 Henri Parry Morgan 10 133 Phil's Magic 8 133 Dancing Shadow 9 132 Rogue Angel 10 132 Out Sam 9 130 Krackatoa King 10 127 Goodtoknow 10 126 |
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Runner Age Trainer OR/Weight
Definitly Red 9 165 Edwulf 9 164 Outlander 10 163 Minella Rocco 8 162 Blaklion 9 161 Sub Lieutenant 9 160 Anibale Fly 8 159 The Last Samuri 10 159 Mala Beach 10 158 Valseur Lido 9 158 American 8 157 Total Recall 9 156 Alpha Des Obeaux 8 155 Gold Present 8 155 Perfect Candidate 11 154 Sizing Codelco 9 154 Cause Of Causes 10 153 Shantou Flyer 8 153 Carlingford Lough 12 152 O O Seven 8 152 Tenor Nivernais 11 152 Go Conquer 9 151 Traffic Fluide 9 151 Vicente 9 151 Acapella Bourgeois 8 150 Rathvinden 10 150 Regal Encore 10 150 Tiger Roll 8 150 Vieux Lion Rouge 9 150 A Genie In Abottle 7 149 As De Mee 8 149 Chase The Spud 10 149 Rock The Kasbah 8 149 Seeyouatmidnight 10 149 Warriors Tale 9 149 Bellshill 8 148 Flying Angel 7 148 Gas Line Boy 12 148 Pleasant Company 10 148 The Dutchman 8 148 Beeves 11 147 Saint Are 12 147 Ucello Conti 10 147 Caroles Destrier 10 146 Long House Hall 10 146 Raz De Maree 13 146 Baie Des Iles 8 145 Buywise 11 145 Childrens List 8 145 I Just Know 8 145 Maggio 13 145 Pendra 10 145 Virgilio 9 145 Captain Redbeard 9 144 Houblon Des Obeaux 11 144 Lord Windermere 12 144 Third Intention 11 144 Wild West Wind 9 144 Bless The Wings 13 143 Double Ross 12 143 Final Nudge 9 143 Milansbar 11 143 Morning Assembly 11 143 Delusionofgrandeur 8 142 Road To Riches 11 142 Thunder And Roses 10 142 Vintage Clouds 8 141 Walk in the Mill 8 141 General Principle 9 139 Vic De Touzaine 9 139 Wounded Warrior 9 139 Bonny Kate 8 138 Cogry 9 138 Mysteree 10 138 Sir Mangan 10 138 Splash Of Ginge 10 138 Braqueur Dor 7 137 Minella Daddy 8 137 Pairofbrowneyes 9 137 Relentless Dreamer 9 137 Knock House 9 136 The Young Master 9 135 Alfie Spinner 13 133 Henri Parry Morgan 10 133 Phil's Magic 8 133 Dancing Shadow 9 132 Rogue Angel 10 132 Out Sam 9 130 Krackatoa King 10 127 Goodtoknow 10 126 |
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Apologies for the repetition and the lousy formatting!
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thanks rydal
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dutchman ios the 40th horse as it stands
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Correct- The Dutchman is the current 40th.
One or two pointers coming up on Sunday in the rearranged Premier Chase at Kelso. |
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The 10 chases trend is still working as a 10/10 stat
17/19 had run in 10 races over this season and last, which is currently a 9/9 stat (Silver Birch ran in 9 and the other to miss the trend was Comply Or Die). This is a great indicator of fitness. The last three winners had never fallen or unseated in a chase The 'at least 3 runs' during the current season is still a 20/20 stat Won or placed over 26f + is 14/14 |
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Having given those stats however I'm with Mully. If he shows his wellbeing this weekend and is 100% fit on the day of the GN, then Seeyouatmidnight is going to go close. I would also place quite a bit of faith in his jockey now that he has got that Grade 1 monkey off his back. I've always felt Hughes himself didn't feel like he belonged in the top echelons and sometimes rode like that in the big races but hopefully he will have more confidence in himself going forward. Can't do any worse that last year's race!
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Will be keeping an eye on seeyouatmidnight tomorrow after the wind surgery. Done really well in Scottish National considering he took a keen hold early on. I have struggled this year to find one who may be well handicapped but also stays and think this could be one. Would like the ground to be soft ideally.
I don't think there any fluke about Anibale Fly either yesterday, yes he was flattered to finish as close to the front two as he did but there was no fluke about beating all the rest as he was fairly prominent the whole way through. Looks as though he'll stay on better ground, don't think he is overly well handicapped but not many are this year. |
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They might struggle to get a prep run into Seeyouatmidnight now
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Morning Assembly is out .
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Anibale Flyer will go up in the handicap so it will be now or never , stayed on strongly but did take a right fall in Ireland the time before.
Rathvinden won well but he too has jumping flaws. I thought Tiger Roll would be favourite after his cross country run , don't know which box he does not tick , well weighted , jumps , stays. |
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You can't really compare X country races with conventional ones. In fact the horse that was 2nd at Cheltenham is no great shakes. I think why people are wary of Tiger Roll is because it was well beaten in last years Irish National and after the race at Cheltenham it was fairly distressed for a while.
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I was surprised at that as well 626. Been betting Tiger Roll, few quid every week since last April, and he's the only serious bet I have on the race. I do think he has jumping issues, but not major, and like yourself, ticks plenty of boxes. An extra week to recover from Cheltenham as well is in his favour, as should get the ground in his favour too.
Others I've got bits and pieces on Cause of Causes Seeyouatmidnight Long House Hall Go Conquer (Stamina?) Beeves (Good enough) I would love General Principle or Pairofbrowneyes to get in, but they need it to cut up badly, and will probably head Fairyhouse now. |
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I had my eye on Beeves from a couple of years ago for the National as it's such a good jumper but sadly it just doesn't stay well enough.
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THE FOLLOWING 17 ENTRIES HAVE BEEN SCRATCHED: DEFINITLY RED (IRE), EDWULF, OUTLANDER (IRE), SUB LIEUTENANT (IRE), MALA BEACH (IRE), AMERICAN (FR), SIZING CODELCO (IRE), O O SEVEN (IRE), TRAFFIC FLUIDE (FR), ROCK THE KASBAH (IRE), FLYING ANGEL (IRE), LONG HOUSE HALL (IRE), CAROLE'S DESTRIER, THIRD INTENTION (IRE), WILD WEST WIND (IRE), MORNING ASSEMBLY (IRE), PAIROFBROWNEYES (IRE).
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