DIVISION 1 SUNDAY OCTOBER 1 (optional)

Promoted from Division Two are:-

JBNAY
DFCIRONMAN
OUTSIDER
potlessagain
youresomean
deadbrain59

You're very frisky this evening Reged. Should Mrs Reged be worried?

Reged, looking at the final table for div1 you seem to be promoting 6, but I only need 5.

is it ever been 6 before

Native Prospect - 3.15 Epsom


Cheers Reged....and well done on the promotion to the alleged "elite" division .........GL all this month.

WD,all promoted potlessagain outstanding 78%

Ajman King - 4.55 Epsom

happily -1.45 chant

shearer2therestcue

Enable - 3.05 Chantilly thanks

indeed it is only five ... I have amended the table

See The Sun - 3.35 Musselburgh

Thanks DFC ... I've found the Prem is a hard one to handle because almost everyone is prioritising not getting relegated and therefore posting loads of shorties. This makes going for a bigger score more problematic if you strike out too much, and the five rest days are not the aid they are in other divs.

KC, mrs reg has no need to be worried ... my many mistresses take care of that sort of thing

OUTSIDER.

Oi !! Who's running this Div 1 league then ??
I'm utterly confused .

me scissors, cos china's ona dirty weekend (well, bhe does live oop north )

Ex Patriot  3.25 Tipperary

OUTSIDER
Sayar - 4:00 Tipp.
Thank you Div organiser ..

Housesofparliament 4.00 Tipperary

for pedro39

i know I have a vested interest in this, but if the prem only sends 4 down to division 1 then it surely opens up another place and six should be promoted, division 1 relegated 5 so five should be promoted from division 2 and so on through to division 3, I accept the decision obviously, but can someone please explain why the extra promotion is used this way, when in reality one person retires, so in my opinion only one person should benefit from that not 2 6th place finishers thanks

big_keef, your maths is wonky. Only five people are leaving the Prem. Or, as you put it, four are coming to D1 and one retiring. Still leaves five vacant places in the Prem as usual, so why would you send up 6? But because D1 only got four back it is light by one, so needs another body from D2 to make up the numbers. But then the same applies to D2, so it needs another body from D3. HTH

ok thanks for explaining,,  but if it were known this was going to happen, should it not have been made clear to people taking part on the thread beforehand

I get the maths reg, indeed last month I profited by posy retiring and going up in 6th place in division 3, and I did not moan about it, but crusader who retired was in 9th place and in no danger of relegation when he decided to retire, so it is my belief it should have opened up another relegation place not 2 promotion places, either way I would not have got promoted, but someone in the prem got lucky because of a retirement when in reality they would have been relegated, not that bothered as it is only a bit of fun to me, but I think it is something that could be looked at in the future, someone getting promoted for finishing 6th place in two divisions doesn't sit right with me, and I include when I got promotion in august, basically I didn't deserve it, anyway it is what it is

actually my maths is wrong, if crusader retires and another 5 get relegated, then that does open up an extra place, so I believe if a sixth place finisher has to be promoted, then it should actually be from the division directly below

bk, it actually makes no difference - whether he retires from his (non-relegation) position and five others relegated/six promoted or as happened he is one of five relegated and five promoted, you still have a hole to fill in D1, and thus D2. Don't really understand the fuss as it just gives extra chances for those lower down to taste the 'big-time'. No one loses out.

don't know what league im in ,backed arc winner DB

bk, I don't think you quite grasp the knock-on effect. It's all in the numbers - 20 to a div (except D3 of course). So if there's a retirement in the Prem that leaves the top three divs light by one, which can only be filled from D3.

Oct 1, 2017 -- 9:30AM, deadbrain59 wrote:

don't know what league im in ,backed arc winner DB

post ya bet then

u cant  ,,we all know why

and cardy, I'm busy doin loads of things, unlike some I might mention, so I maybe don't pay as much attention to other divs as I should. So I didn't remember there had been a retirement until I was reminded on the last day. Sorry about that, but thems the breaks. If you are so concerned then I suggest you pay close attention to the divs upstairs for retirements (and let me know). Alternatively, of course, you could pay me a modest retainer to make sure I keep these things up to date. No ... didn't think so

must be a fault to point out anything ,, [  that could improve the comps ]]  on here ..  you sound a bit pizzed off

but thanks for explaining,,  but i wont forget to let db know how he got promotion,,

this will probably be my last point on the subject, hopefully, but if crusader retires and another 5 get relegated, then that leaves 6 places in the prem that need to be filled, I don't see how my maths is wrong? or am I just getting confused like I say not really bothered, but if someone should gain from a retirement in the prem then it should really be from the division below and not someone in div 2 and 3

bk, thats six going up to the prem, but only five going back to D1. So D1 is one light. How do you make up the number?

one retires another five get relegated, that makes six in my book

think we are arguing at slightly cross-purposes. Yours is a different way of processing a retirement which is fair enough although not the way we doit at the momnent. But whether you do it your way or ours, it still means that Division 1 is left one short of a full division. That number needs to be made up from somewhere.

... unless of course you are suggesting retirees merely float down the divisions month by month until they end up in the third

yes reg retirees just disappear, one retires leaves 29 places, still relegate a different 5 that makes 24 places , therefore it makes room for six to be promoted, that adds up surely

sure, but how many does that leave in Div 1?

five get relegated from the prem, not including the retiree, and five get relegated from division 1 five get promoted from division 2 that makes 30, easy peasy

but if 6 get promoted from the prem that makes 29, ok I am wrong

but you would still get s promotions from each division so I am also correct

6 promotions that should say

your last statement don't maker sense bk

five get relegated from the prem and one retires, so that leaves 6 places to be filled in the prem doesn't it?

what it means is that whatever way you retire someone in the Prem, you need an extra promotion from D2 to D1, and D3 to D2 to make up the numbers. An alternative would be to relegate fewer from D1 and D2 that month, but that would in its own way be unfair.

One final word: to do it the way you suggest would require a complete overhaul of the progs we use to process this stuff, progs written long before I came on the scene. because this is the way it's been handles since time immemorial.

no reg what I am saying is you get 6 promotions from all 3 divisions below the prem, I may need to go and lie down in a darkened room

ok reg, no problem, like I said not that bothered anyway, but at the moment the only 6th place finisher that doesn't gain from a retiree in the prem is the one in division 1

yeah, fair point bk

IM NOT BOTHERED WHAT DIVISION IM IN.

I am not taking aim at any competitors deadbrain, I am more than happy you got promoted, just making a point which I think is valid, and would still see you promoted if going by my system, but I appreciate this is the way it has worked for a long time, and I believe the only 6th placer that doesn't get promoted is probably the most worthy of it in my opinion, I also am not too concerned about which division I post in, but it would be nice to have a crack at the prem, so I had better make sure I finish in the top 5 if I can, all the best mate

gl I won it oct 2013

I would actually go so far as to say my favourite division is division 3, I suppose because you don't get relegated, so you can feel free to put some big price runners up, but in saying that, if you have a competitive streak, which I do, you would want to win the prem ,even if you had to put up odds on shots every day to stand a chance,  also I believe you get some of the best napsters in division 3 and some of the worst in the prem, seems strange doesn't it

deadbrain59 • September 30, 2017 8:48 PM BST
enable 3.05 chantilly

Reg what have you done , I struggle to get 10 replies on a Sunday

what do you expect when someone that doesnt deserve , or didnt  finished in the a promotion place,  still gets promoted,,

good luck to all  this month,

it's my wit and charm china .... I can do lessons for £500 a pop!