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china castle
30 Sep 16 15:35
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It is right that you can't change your selection on the last day unless its a non-runner.

This situation has cropped up a few times lately in other Divisions and I'm sure it hasn't been allowed.

Maybe it should be put in the last day rules as it just mentions non-runners at the moment and doesn't actually say you can't change your selection.

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By:
scissors
When: 30 Sep 16 15:55
This cropped up because just before 7am today -
I posted a selection and IMMEDIATELY withdrew it and posted
another .. Because i need a 3/1 to go up -- and my first one had dropped to 11/8 .. Nobody was disadvantaged ..
But Posy objected..
No rule appeared to be in place to cover this ,so China has taken a stance.
for the sake of good order --That has to be fine .. Even though i am disadvantaged and
will probably now miss out on promotion.,
So it can't happen again , just add it in to the rules for last day.
I have accepted China's decision.
By:
china castle
When: 30 Sep 16 16:00
Shanelee1966
30 Jun 16 17:49


Afternoon troops, bit of a rush I`m afraid, got a lot on this evening. posy & kyhber, sorry, I have to take the original selection unless they are non-runners, I`ll check shortly


Found this from 3 months ago scissors.
By:
Knight Commander
When: 30 Sep 16 16:28
china, selections may be changed on the last day as long as the other rules are still met, ie it's not a duplicate, is done more than 1 hour before the original was due to run, is posted more than 1 hour before the new selection runs and is put up before the first race starting time.

That's my understanding anyway.
By:
Knight Commander
When: 30 Sep 16 16:31
china just er-read your c+p above. Confused now
By:
Knight Commander
When: 30 Sep 16 16:31
^re-read
By:
Knight Commander
When: 30 Sep 16 16:34
Don't personally see why they can't be changed as long as all other rules are met.
By:
Knight Commander
When: 30 Sep 16 16:35
Sorry if I've muddied the waters, didn't intend to.
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 30 Sep 16 16:47
Afternoon gents
By:
china castle
When: 30 Sep 16 16:51
If you post a selection then change it a few hours later , mainly because you need a bigger priced selection , you are stopping someone else picking your original selection. Think thats why you need a different rule for the final day.

In this case scissors changed it a few mins after and had no intention of gaining an advantage but you still need a rule to stop it happening.
By:
china castle
When: 30 Sep 16 16:53
Afternoon Shane
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 30 Sep 16 16:54
The final day rules are clear, I see a post from me has surfaces from 3 months ago, I can`t remember the actual circumstances. I`d need to re-visit the thread before I commented.

I`ve always been against people re-posting on the final day because of the possible complications or arguments, ah he has gone for a 3/1 shot so I`ll change mine now, ahh she has gone for a 6/1 shot, better change again and so on. You could end up with 6 or 7 napsters swapping and changing and seeing who blinks first.

Non-runners can be changed as per the rules, I`d say no, the original selection stands unless a n/r.
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 30 Sep 16 16:57
Whether going for promotion or fighting relegation, judement is required to factor in the other napsters possible moves, all part of the final day fun.
By:
Knight Commander
When: 30 Sep 16 16:58
Afters all.

Apologies for my posts Shane, I stand corrected Happy
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 30 Sep 16 16:58
- All selections must be made prior to the 1st race of the day (1hr rule still applies)
- No duplicate selections allowed. No rest days allowed.
- No reserves or unnamed horses allowed.
- *Non-runners can be changed* as long as above rules are still met
By:
china castle
When: 30 Sep 16 17:00
I lot of competitors clearly aren't aware that you can't change your selection on the final day unless its a non-runner.
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 30 Sep 16 17:00
Hi kc, just always been my view, also china made a very good point @16.51
By:
Knight Commander
When: 30 Sep 16 17:01
Perhaps we should amend that rule to something like

- Only non-runners can be changed as long as above rules are still met
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 30 Sep 16 17:01
We can re-write

*Non-runners can be changed* as long as above rules are still met.
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 30 Sep 16 17:01
Perfect kc Laugh
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 30 Sep 16 17:02
Simple is always best.
By:
Knight Commander
When: 30 Sep 16 17:04
Snap Grin
By:
china castle
When: 30 Sep 16 17:04
1 word makes all the difference KC Grin
By:
china castle
When: 30 Sep 16 17:06
Makes the 5.35 at Gowran Park a bit more interesting than it would have been. If Takeittothelimits wins think I will go missing for a bit Wink
By:
Reged
When: 30 Sep 16 18:02
Unless it is written into the rules, I think it is totally wrong to introduce this interpretation. This should have been adressed and discussed when the problem first surfaced and if necessary the rules changed. B ut you cannot ad hoc suddenly invent a rule on the fly.

Personally I don't have a problem with people being able to change - if I see a nag's price coming in to something that won't achieve my ambition I would want to change it. I think the rules should stay as they are.
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 30 Sep 16 18:39
Oh Shocked
By:
Reged
When: 30 Sep 16 18:57
The last bit's my view: if my fellow settlers don't agree then I'm happy to go with the majority. But I do feel a bit strongly about the first because the original decision affected all divisions yet I was blissfully unaware of it until today and, had it happened in my div, I would have let it pass.

I also make the point that we should try to keep rule changes to the absolute minimum and keep them as simple as possible. So what if a few people squabble over someone changing their mind.
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 30 Sep 16 19:00
Evening Reg, hope you`re keeping well.
By:
Reged
When: 30 Sep 16 19:04
I'm not bad KC ... on my own again and organising a host of builders to rearrange my kitchen Cry
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 30 Sep 16 19:07
It`s me Shane ShockedLaugh
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 30 Sep 16 19:08
I don`t look anything like kc Laugh
By:
Reged
When: 30 Sep 16 19:09
it's a United Nations job - the main builder's irish, as was the plasterer, the electrician Polish, the plumber his brother, a Turkish assistant, the kitchen equipment installers Greek, the worktop installers Italian, the tiler Romanian, the kitchen company owner Iranian and his assistant from Pakistan! Not an Englishman in sight! Laugh
By:
Reged
When: 30 Sep 16 19:09
oops, sorry shane ... senior moment Cry
By:
Reged
When: 30 Sep 16 19:21
right, off to 'cook' a pizza!
By:
china castle
When: 30 Sep 16 19:24
Evening Reg
By:
mini me
When: 30 Sep 16 19:35
I think Reged's opinion is right. Can't change today but rule needs to be clarified by 31 October imho.

Cool
By:
madhatters
When: 30 Sep 16 19:56
Cruising round the comps & spotted this

Shanes 4.54 makes total sense & would avoid Keystone Cops for settlers & pickers
If pickers want to blink last up to cut point, fair enough but they may miss the boat on selections
Switching allows them to block other pickers which after all is not in the spirit of the Comps


"I`ve always been against people re-posting on the final day because of the possible complications or arguments, ah he has gone for a 3/1 shot so I`ll change mine now, ahh she has gone for a 6/1 shot, better change again and so on. You could end up with 6 or 7 napsters swapping and changing and seeing who blinks first.

Non-runners can be changed as per the rules, I`d say no, the original selection stands unless a n/r. "

But then - when have i ever been the voice of reason Laugh
By:
Reged
When: 30 Sep 16 20:21
If people really wished to go to such lengths, which I seriously doubt, it just adds to the fun and games IMO Happy
By:
scissors
When: 30 Sep 16 20:49
Obviously with my 2 post just typing time apart
it did not apply to my posts -- no chance of any advantage
in that short time scale.
Anyway todays problem is over now and luckily ( except for maj upshot) a different horse won !!
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 30 Sep 16 21:26
Have you caused this scissors?
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