Calling Shane , KC and Reg

This cropped up because just before 7am today -
I posted a selection and IMMEDIATELY withdrew it and posted
another .. Because i need a 3/1 to go up -- and my first one had dropped to 11/8 .. Nobody was disadvantaged ..
But Posy objected..
No rule appeared to be in place to cover this ,so China has taken a stance.
for the sake of good order --That has to be fine .. Even though i am disadvantaged and
will probably now miss out on promotion.,
So it can't happen again , just add it in to the rules for last day.
I have accepted China's decision.

Shanelee1966
30 Jun 16 17:49


Afternoon troops, bit of a rush I`m afraid, got a lot on this evening. posy & kyhber, sorry, I have to take the original selection unless they are non-runners, I`ll check shortly


Found this from 3 months ago scissors.

china, selections may be changed on the last day as long as the other rules are still met, ie it's not a duplicate, is done more than 1 hour before the original was due to run, is posted more than 1 hour before the new selection runs and is put up before the first race starting time.

That's my understanding anyway.

china just er-read your c+p above. Confused now

^re-read

Don't personally see why they can't be changed as long as all other rules are met.

Sorry if I've muddied the waters, didn't intend to.

Afternoon gents

If you post a selection then change it a few hours later , mainly because you need a bigger priced selection , you are stopping someone else picking your original selection. Think thats why you need a different rule for the final day.

In this case scissors changed it a few mins after and had no intention of gaining an advantage but you still need a rule to stop it happening.

Afternoon Shane

The final day rules are clear, I see a post from me has surfaces from 3 months ago, I can`t remember the actual circumstances. I`d need to re-visit the thread before I commented.

I`ve always been against people re-posting on the final day because of the possible complications or arguments, ah he has gone for a 3/1 shot so I`ll change mine now, ahh she has gone for a 6/1 shot, better change again and so on. You could end up with 6 or 7 napsters swapping and changing and seeing who blinks first.

Non-runners can be changed as per the rules, I`d say no, the original selection stands unless a n/r.

Whether going for promotion or fighting relegation, judement is required to factor in the other napsters possible moves, all part of the final day fun.

Afters all.

Apologies for my posts Shane, I stand corrected

- All selections must be made prior to the 1st race of the day (1hr rule still applies)
- No duplicate selections allowed. No rest days allowed.
- No reserves or unnamed horses allowed.
- *Non-runners can be changed* as long as above rules are still met

I lot of competitors clearly aren't aware that you can't change your selection on the final day unless its a non-runner.

Hi kc, just always been my view, also china made a very good point @16.51

We can re-write

*Non-runners can be changed* as long as above rules are still met.

Perhaps we should amend that rule to something like

- Only non-runners can be changed as long as above rules are still met

Perfect kc

Simple is always best.

Snap

1 word makes all the difference KC

Makes the 5.35 at Gowran Park a bit more interesting than it would have been. If Takeittothelimits wins think I will go missing for a bit

Unless it is written into the rules, I think it is totally wrong to introduce this interpretation. This should have been adressed and discussed when the problem first surfaced and if necessary the rules changed. B ut you cannot ad hoc suddenly invent a rule on the fly.

Personally I don't have a problem with people being able to change - if I see a nag's price coming in to something that won't achieve my ambition I would want to change it. I think the rules should stay as they are.

Oh

The last bit's my view: if my fellow settlers don't agree then I'm happy to go with the majority. But I do feel a bit strongly about the first because the original decision affected all divisions yet I was blissfully unaware of it until today and, had it happened in my div, I would have let it pass.

I also make the point that we should try to keep rule changes to the absolute minimum and keep them as simple as possible. So what if a few people squabble over someone changing their mind.

Evening Reg, hope you`re keeping well.

I'm not bad KC ... on my own again and organising a host of builders to rearrange my kitchen

It`s me Shane

I don`t look anything like kc

it's a United Nations job - the main builder's irish, as was the plasterer, the electrician Polish, the plumber his brother, a Turkish assistant, the kitchen equipment installers Greek, the worktop installers Italian, the tiler Romanian, the kitchen company owner Iranian and his assistant from Pakistan! Not an Englishman in sight!

oops, sorry shane ... senior moment

right, off to 'cook' a pizza!

Evening Reg

I think Reged's opinion is right. Can't change today but rule needs to be clarified by 31 October imho.

Cruising round the comps & spotted this

Shanes 4.54 makes total sense & would avoid Keystone Cops for settlers & pickers
If pickers want to blink last up to cut point, fair enough but they may miss the boat on selections
Switching allows them to block other pickers which after all is not in the spirit of the Comps


"I`ve always been against people re-posting on the final day because of the possible complications or arguments, ah he has gone for a 3/1 shot so I`ll change mine now, ahh she has gone for a 6/1 shot, better change again and so on. You could end up with 6 or 7 napsters swapping and changing and seeing who blinks first.

Non-runners can be changed as per the rules, I`d say no, the original selection stands unless a n/r. "

But then - when have i ever been the voice of reason

If people really wished to go to such lengths, which I seriously doubt, it just adds to the fun and games IMO

Obviously with my 2 post just typing time apart
it did not apply to my posts -- no chance of any advantage
in that short time scale.
Anyway todays problem is over now and luckily ( except for maj upshot) a different horse won !!

Have you caused this scissors?

Just needs--

Rule 7 and you cannot change your selection except for a non-runner.

scissors, there is time for you to join undecided`s October tipping challenge, see thread.

Obviously applies to all.

The reason for my raising the matter yesterday stems from posts made on the 30th June when I'd overlooked the fact that it was the last day and wanted to change my selection to give myself an outside chance of winning.Shane's response made clear that original selection had to stand and once i'd thought it through I came to the conclusion that he was entirely correct in taking that stance.


Shanelee1966 30 Jun 16 17:49 Joined: 30 Oct 03 | Topic/replies: 35,372 | Blogger: Shanelee1966's blog
Afternoon troops, bit of a rush I`m afraid, got a lot on this evening. posy & kyhber, sorry, I have to take the original selection unless they are non-runners, I`ll check shortly.

I`m off out soon, hopefully I`ll be back for 9pm to settle the final table, what ever happens I`ll do my best.

Good luck to you all with another wide open month.
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posy 30 Jun 16 13:41 Joined: 18 Oct 03 | Topic/replies: 7,197 | Blogger: posy's blog
Very sorry Shane but just realised this is last day of month !

Please cancel my previous selection and substitute

johnny b goode   15.20 yar

This is my last comment on the matter

Obviously I`m not suggesting anyone is bending any rules, just feel that we would be leaving ourselves wide open, it can get very confusing too with swapping and changing. Also, horses are then tied up, in the winter you can easily be left with one meeting and only 35/40 horses running. Is it fair to tie a horse up for potentially 4/5 hours, then only to change it and in turn free it up. I think the final day has to be water tight.

If I have to decide on any matter in the premier I always try to go along the lines of will this be a level playing field for all, if you follow me.

As always, I`m happy to go with the majority.

china/kc - how do you both feel?

I say keep it simple and don't change. It's not as if the whole world and his father are doing it. I think the negatives outweigh the positives. It's not been a problem in the past or I imagine the rules would have been changed ages ago.

You need to watch that, scissors and posy, they're a couple of f*cking troublemakers!

Stop stirring Norfolk or i'll be forced to press the block button !

you can't block skinto ... he's like the blob that can slither under closed doors

I got caught years ago by somebody picking the one I wanted and,after I had picked another,changing it. I REALLY think it's not on to change as it blocks other people from picking the first selection.

My comments yesterday reflected my interpretation of the rules as they currently stand.
Having read and digested what has been said it does seem sensible to make only non-runners changeable on the last day.

I agree with KC and Shane on this one , sorry Reg.

No thats fine ... so we need to make sure we get the wording right to avoiid the dreaded unintended consequences

How about adding this to rule 7?

Once a selection has been made it can only be changed for a non-runner, subject to the other final day rules.

Perfect!

So, I can post my selection and then say 'no thanks' and pick a non runner?

^^^^^ What a f*cking plank! ^^^^^

"If it's a n/r" to avoid mini's alternative interpretation.

Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it and simply used the 'alternative interpretation' on 31 October.

Thought I'd go with " Once posted a selection may only be changed if it becomes withdrawn. Above rules still apply to any substitution."

No, that's what this process is all about ... getting it right. Thanks mm. So how about this?

Once a selection has been made it can only be changed, subject to the other final day rules, if the selection becomes a non-runner.

Or "Once posted a selection may only be changed if it becomes a non-runner and as long as the above rules are still met."

Once a selection has been posted, it may only be changed if it subsequently becomes a Non-Runner, (subject to the other final day rules)!

Yup, that's neater. Just a tickle ...

Once posted, a selection may only be changed if it becomes a non-runner and as long as the above rules are still met.

why oput the subsequently in skinto? It could hardly happen other than subsequently!

It sounds so much better!

maybe in Yarmouth with a straw dangling from your mouth

Whilst you're at it how about a rule to stop anyone deliberately putting up an already withdrawn horse knowing that he'd not be at risk of losing his stake....it happened a few months ago and there was a similar furore with the poster in question saying it wasn't in breach of the rules !

Reged • October 3, 2016 12:21 PM BST
why oput the subsequently in skinto? It could hardly happen other than subsequently!

It sounds like it's been written by a person with a modicum of intelligence, so that lets you out!

to quote an itinerant poster of this parish ...

shut it!

posy has a point. I seem to remember the incident ( It wasn't me ).