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By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 04 Oct 14 20:34
Great reserve PDB....won easilyExcited
By:
PRODELLBOY
When: 04 Oct 14 20:39
Thanks Guys, nice to start with a winner. HappyDevil
By:
PRODELLBOY
When: 04 Oct 14 22:31
Well Done Team a good first week ExcitedDevilDevilDevilDevilDevilDevilDevilDevil
By:
undecided
When: 04 Oct 14 22:34
Even my abysmal Appleby efforts couldn't stop the team Laugh

Must do better!
Do we have the Arc winner? I have a little sneaky fancy for Dolniya but not for this comp.
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 05 Oct 14 13:06
Just looking at race now UD.

IF going is GOOD, as described, then it should give older horses a chance to win, at this point in season. Though last few years 3 yods have dominated.

003     Dalakhani     3     Christophe Soumillon     Alain de Royer-Dupré     HH Aga Khan IV     2:32.30
2004     Bago     3     Thierry Gillet     Jonathan Pease     Niarchos Family     2:25.00
2005     Hurricane Run     3     Kieren Fallon     André Fabre     Michael Tabor     2:27.40
2006     Rail Link     3     Stéphane Pasquier     André Fabre     Khalid Abdullah     2:26.30
2007     Dylan Thomas     4     Kieren Fallon     Aidan O'Brien     Magnier / Tabor     2:28.50
2008     Zarkava     3     Christophe Soumillon     Alain de Royer-Dupré     HH Aga Khan IV     2:28.80
2009     Sea the Stars     3     Michael Kinane     John Oxx     Christopher Tsui     2:26.30
2010     Workforce     3     Ryan Moore     Sir Michael Stoute     Khalid Abdullah     2:35.30
2011     Danedream     3     Andrasch Starke     Peter Schiergen     Burg Eberstein / Yoshida     2:24.49
2012     Solemia     4     Olivier Peslier     Carlos Laffon-Parias     Wertheimer et Frère     2:37:68
2013     Treve     3     Thierry Jarnet     Criquette Head     Joaan al Thani     2:32:04
============================================================


When SOLEMIA won as a 4 yo in 2012 ...it was SOFT going. This horse was beaten in October 2011 in a GROUP 2 race for 3yos + ON GOOD GOING by a French bred 3 yo.....trained by A De Royer-Dupre.......the trainer of DOLNIYA, a French bred 3 yo.



So perhaps the going , if GOOD, will help DOLNIYA to do well in this race, especially with 3 wins i a row in form and lightly raced.


The trainer (ADR-D) has won race twice ( 2003 and 2008) with 3 yods....so knows how to win this race wit 3 yods.

DOLNIYA has S A AGA KHAN as owner , and appears to be same family that the 2 winners that won for ADR-D had .....This family has won race a few times....so they appear to taget the race.

FILLIES have  won race 3 times in last 11 years as 3 yods.....and in same period 4 yod fillies have won race only once (SOLEMIA on SOFT going). However, with going being GOOD, perhaps this gives a filly a better chance against the colts due to easier conditions.

Prix Niel winner this year was ECTOT.......undefeated 3 yo........but strong doubts about this one winning. at the distance.

Taghrooda won King George etc........but defeated by TAPISTRY in next race on GOOD going....but may well have had PRIX DE L'ARC as main target???

C Soumillon has not won race....so must be high up on his targets to win on DOLNIYA  Soumillon was also 2nd last year on Japanese horse against TREVE.....so has to be well up for race this year!

So a fair number of factors in favour of DOLNIYA UD.............and only thing not clear on is the DRAW.

If going is GOOD the 2    5 yods might find going favourable.....but which one likely to win? I suspect Gold Ship might be better one of two....as lightly raced and other one might be a pace setter?

The going ...if GOOD makes race harder to figure out.....so also not going for this race today for TEAM.....Tongue Out.......DOLNIYA appears to have every chance to win though UD, so might go for it in DIV 2 ??Grin?????


GL with bets today.
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 05 Oct 14 13:16
BTW ....DANEDREAM , a 3 yo , won on GOOD as a filly in 2011....and DRAW was 2, so looks favourable for DOLNIYA .

                HORSE/SP     AGE     WGT     TRAINER/JOCKEY     OR     TS     RPR     

«    
1
2         Danedream (GER) 20/1     3     8-8      P Schiergen     —     *     *     »
    A Starke
     
Midfield, ridden and headway 2f out, led approaching final furlong, soon quickened clear, comfortably
    

«    
2
9     5     Shareta (IRE) 66/1     3     8-8      A De Royer-Dupre     —     *     *     »
    Thierry Jarnet
     
Tracked leader, challenged over 3f out, ridden over 2f out, kept on but no chance with winner final furlong
    

«    
3
11     nk     Snow Fairy (IRE) 14/1     4     9-2      Ed Dunlop     —     *     *     »
    Frankie Dettori
     
Held up in midfield, pushed along over 3f out, ridden and headway over 1f out, kept on final furlong, went 3rd towards finish
    

«    
4
14     ½     So You Think (NZ) 9/2     5     9-5      A P O'Brien     —     *     *     »
    Seamie Heffernan
     
Held up, pushed along and headway 2f out, kept on well final furlong, went 4th post, never nearer
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In 2009 SEA the STARS also won on GOOD as a 3 yo ....DRAWN 6.......so DRAW looks favourable for DOLNIYA this year maybe !          




HORSE/SP     AGE     WGT     TRAINER/JOCKEY     OR     TS     RPR     

«    
1
6         Sea The Stars (IRE) 4/6F     3     8-11      John M Oxx     —     *     *    
    Mick Kinane
     
Took keen hold, restrained after 1f and soon dropped to 9th, good progress on inner 2f out, led just over 1f out and quickened clear, impressive
    

«    
2
1     2     Youmzain (IRE) 20/1     6     9-5 v     Mick Channon     —     *     *     »
    Kieren Fallon
     
Broke well, settled in mid-division, 11th straight, closing up from over 2f out, quickened through gap 1 1/2f out, driven to take 2nd well inside final furlong
    

«    
3
19     hd     Cavalryman 12/1     3     8-11      A Fabre     —     *     *     »
    Frankie Dettori
     
Soon prominent, 5th straight, driven 2f out, 4th 1f out, 2nd 100yds out, kept on steadily under pressure
    

«    
4
12     hd     Conduit (IRE) 8/1     4     9-5      Sir Michael Stoute     —     *     *     »
    Ryan Moore
     
Mid-division, 10th straight, steady progress final 2f, took 4th close home
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Cheers the noooooooooo
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 05 Oct 14 13:41
BTW ....SL appear to have an error on RACE CARD re owner of DOLNIYA......they have S A Agan Khan.....but according to RP ...this is the BREEDER ....and the owner is H H Aga Khan....
By:
undecided
When: 05 Oct 14 14:04
Wow DFC, you don't half put in some study. I just get a feel for it, in such a wide open race, little point looking at the favourites from a value point of view, the French lay out the less obvious types for this prize, Aga Khan has a rich history here, 3yo fillies good recent record, yeah worth a speculative nap in Div 2.
By:
undecided
When: 05 Oct 14 14:09
btw Soumillon has won the race with Zarkava & Dalakhani.
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 05 Oct 14 14:38
OooooooooopppppsssssssssssBlush...was looking a bit cross-eyed at WIKI table and really should have looked harder, a was likely he had won race, being such a good jockey!

Makes it another factor in favour thoughExcited

Gl with race and bets.
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 05 Oct 14 15:44
In top 5 places ....3 of them had a low DRAW....so TAGHROODA drawn 15 did really well....DOLNIYA had a fair run ...but just too far off pace to get there...unfortunately.

4 yo winner on GOOD going......suspect had it been soft a 3 yo probably would have won ...TAGHROODA probably.

Back to normal racing.....Enjoyed race though!Cool
By:
undecided
When: 05 Oct 14 16:00
Decent effort but at least made the right decision to dodge it for this comp.
Great to see Treve back on form.
By:
bluenose7
When: 06 Oct 14 19:57
One for a dodgy Tuesday.  Shocked

Posted 10 pts on......

3.10 Leic:  Knife Point. "Improver won't mind the rain"

G/L this week DEMONS.  Wink

"if you~dig"  Cool
By:
bluenose7
When: 07 Oct 14 19:51
.. Cry  Blush
By:
stephaniebot
When: 08 Oct 14 21:35
Having seen someone's Arc thing at the weekend, and talking myself out of Treve, I've gone with a horse tomorrow that's named after me.

Maybe not lol?
By:
undecided
When: 09 Oct 14 08:12
Going Concern - 4.0 Worc = Win

Good luck steph.
By:
PRODELLBOY
When: 09 Oct 14 10:18
Good Luck today Steph  and undecided.
By:
undecided
When: 09 Oct 14 16:58
Pretty good Happy
By:
Aquarius
When: 09 Oct 14 16:59
Nice inner there Steph
By:
Aquarius
When: 09 Oct 14 16:59
Winner even!
By:
stephaniebot
When: 09 Oct 14 19:37
Thanks all, glad to help :)
By:
bluenose7
When: 09 Oct 14 20:33
"STEPH"  Cool
By:
PRODELLBOY
When: 09 Oct 14 23:09
Great winner Steph Well Done Happy

Sorry for late post on afternoon shift this week.
By:
Reg Blood
When: 10 Oct 14 07:22
Well done winners, unlucky losers, and good luck those still to pick.

N. Abb 1630 Petrovic win for me
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 10 Oct 14 12:38
stephaniebot 08 Oct 14 21:35 
Having seen someone's Arc thing at the weekend, and talking myself out of Treve, I've gone with a horse tomorrow that's named after me.

Maybe not lol?
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stephaniebot - I thought you opted for "Stephanie Francis"Tongue Out.......but "Prettyasapicture" is better name for how we feel after it fighting its way homeHappy ...wd

GL RB today.
By:
PRODELLBOY
When: 10 Oct 14 13:31
Good Luck today Reg.
By:
undecided
When: 10 Oct 14 14:13
Saturday 3pm rule:
There is a cut-off for posting selections to prevent late tactical play.
As it is a little unfair if you pick a subsequent nr after 3pm, (to not be able to replace it), you may post a reserve.
The reserve is tied to the original selection, whether it's posted by you or on your behalf.
Once original and reserve is posted it cannot be changed.

The downside of this reserve system is that it can get a little confusing/messy, a bit more work for me and indeed for all who pick after 3pm, needing to come up with reserves. So see how it goes for a couple of weeks and let me know what you think.
By:
Reg Blood
When: 10 Oct 14 16:42
Sorry team. Must have put the money I wagered in his saddle in pound coins
By:
PRODELLBOY
When: 11 Oct 14 06:48
Good Luck with your selections today, it is very tight at the top so one winner could move us up along way.
By:
undecided
When: 11 Oct 14 11:46
I've just noticed fastbearform's is a non-runner so keep an eye out for a replacement.

Also Aquarius you haven't put a reserve up just in case of non-runner, could you post one or someone else can do it on your behalf, cheers?

Good luck today!
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 11 Oct 14 13:41
Have left a message on FBF's thread on GENERAL BETTING UD.......so hopefully he responds before say 2.45....
By:
PRODELLBOY
When: 11 Oct 14 14:19
Sorry took a chance on that one and paid the penalty.
Will look for a reserve for Fastbearform in case he does`nt pick one. If anybody else is strong on one feel free to post a reserve.
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 11 Oct 14 14:33
RAIN at Newmarket is making the 3.50 race extremely difficult....

Initially Morrison one caught my eye - NEARLY CAUGHT ....and generally the first one that catches the eye is one that runs a fair race. As a 4 yo RAIN probably helps this one.

After checking out DIGEANTA .....this looks  a horse set out for the race......but RAIN might stop it winning.....though opted for it in DIV 2.

COMMUNICATOR also looks set out for this race...... probably a bit RAIN might help it running wel.

EARTH AMBER probably need s a lotta rain.....

So never used this race for TEAM.Tongue Out
==========================================

I've put up DUKE DES CHAMPS in 6.00 race ...as a RESERVE in case my 5.30 selection does not run  for team. May well need more RAIN ......and at CHEPSTOW fair chance it will come. If FBF does not post a selection by 2.45 pm ......I think DDC can be used as a selection for FBF??????


Hopefully FBF responds to my post on his thread on GENERAL BETTING FORUM. May well have "better things to do" though Laugh

Leave it to you CaptainCool
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 11 Oct 14 14:44
FBF has postedExcited

Fastbearform 11 Oct 14 14:41 
Newm 5.40  Enobled e/w for the Demons Devil
By:
Fastbearform
When: 11 Oct 14 14:48
yeah, don't panic, don't panic! Laugh
By:
PRODELLBOY
When: 11 Oct 14 14:52
Good Luck Guys we could do with a winner
By:
undecided
When: 11 Oct 14 14:53
good stuff, just need a reserve for it now, and for Aquarius, as it probably won't be needed I'll put forward a suggestion Devil Shine A Diamond 5.10 Hex - Win, but I'm not in form so only to be used as a last resort Laugh
By:
Fastbearform
When: 11 Oct 14 14:55
I would have posted Bond's Girl in the next but was too late Plain
By:
Fastbearform
When: 11 Oct 14 14:58
Devil

Silly
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 11 Oct 14 16:44
Very close AquariusSad
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