Calling Reged, Weaver, FCH & undecided

Favoritet, that should have read

Blood on the Tracks 1975 is my favourite.

Great album pete, I remember some classics on that one.

I`m going to download some Dylan tonight.

My Vote
For

Just downloaded Blood On The Tracks. Idiot Wind blasting out, mrs said what`s this racket

Idiot Wind Blowing like a circle around my skull
From the Grand Coulee Dam to Capitol
Idiot Wind blowing every time you move your teeth
You're an idiot babe
It's a wonder  that you still know how to breathe

a masterpiece of a song

You can't beat some Ramones for in depth lyrics, for example from The Ramones (1976):

I don't wanna walk around with you
I don't wanna walk around with you
I don't wanna walk around with you
So why do you wanna walk around with me
'Cause I don't wanna walk around with you

Repeat x2

I case you were wondering I am a Ramones fan and managed to see them a number of times in the 1980s - 35 songs in 75 minutes

Good band FCH. I`m a big Clash man too.

Nah
You is very diplomatic Shane

think this is somewhat straying off the subject, which may deter other observers?

Yes Reged it always amazes me how a topic about improving the Comp can drift in such a manner that ends up talking about music

By the way, the more I think about the Premier "minmum effort" statement I made earlier, I think I was out of line and it really was unfair, for that I would like to apologise...salmon and all the envolved

But I still think that there should be more relagations in all divisions

I take it you`re not Dylan fans

It`s a fine line some tread at times between airing their views regarding those competing in the premier and unjust criticism.

Dylan who?

We talking Magic Roundabout?

I must agree there is a huge effort picking one of the shortest price runners each day to make sure you don't get relegated. Long may it continue.

You got a point Reg about straying from the point, i just wish I had a point in div 3, anyway Shane the point is i wasn't into the Clash and Jam at the time when just about everyone else was but the last 2 or 3 years i realised what i had been missing so if i was to purchase a Clash cd and a Jam cd which ones would you recommend?
Also to pay my respect to Baroness Thatcher i must place my final Dylan Line in this thread "I aint gonna work on Maggies Farm no more"
Sorry Reg (In Favour of your changes)

Getting the right one is much harder than it looks. Thank God for Frankel and Sprinter Sacre.
And yet again we get stick from some d1ck I have never noticed in The Premiereship.

Lustiano i was just starting to respect you then you go and start saying sorry to Salmon, for What? When has Salmon ever sent an apology?

salmon has never had anything to apologise about.

Thats a sorry statement if ever i saw one.

Send me a pm pete, The Jam mmmmmmmmm Setting Sons album for sure.

Lusi - I think more relegation slots would make it worse. more people wld play safe with odds-oners

Quite right Reg. Even I would have to play safe.

well, we cant have every tom, dick and pete doin it can we?

How does this sound. Increase the premier division by one for the next three months, so May will have 26, June 27 and July 28. Then take stock and see how we all feel. Obviously for the next three months there will also be an extra promotion place available in Div`s 1, 2 & 3.

We need something solid in front of us to decide upon, what I`ve proposed, I believe will enhance the overall ethos.

Look forward to your replies.

Think its a good idea . I have never understood why the premier has less in it than other divisions . On a separate note I couldn't help noticing how few people went for it on the last day last month . Think we need to make the Premier worth winning for more people . Maybe , from next month , make relegation exempt for the previous months winner .

Good point china.

Think yhou shld go the whole hog 30 ... gradually by all means. interesting point by china ... but I doubt 1 would make  much diff ... how about top 3 exempt?

Well three is a start Reg, let`s then take stock.

It would be better top three.

Something to consider at a later stage though.

Like I said before (although not in the best of ways) there isn't incentive to do that much once you reach the Premier, the only main incentive I see is staying away form the bottom four places

Exemption might have the opposite effect because it just takes pressure from doing that extra needed

If the winner is a long way clear , tips a big outsider like BB on Saturday , then top 3 gives others something to aim at as well.

Before someone says it , there is the odd outsider tipped in the premier league

Maybe in a 2 runner race, present company not included.

Survival will always play an important part in the premier division. Nothing we can do will eliminate that. Just take a look at the other divisions, plenty of favs & odds on.

Too much is made of people`s lack of ambition, yes it is there, I agree, but as stated many times before by me, four are promoted every month, so in theory we could have 16 new napsters in the premier every 4 months, or taking it to the extreme, 24 new players every 6 months. So my message to everyone who knocks them would be to disturb the status quo, knock them off their perch.

Shane i thought we were not allowed to talk about bands anymore?

Oh crikey, I forgot, we got told off earlier

Was it to do with clogging up the thread, like in the past when important discussions were underway, outside of the settlers, one man and his bleedin dog showed an interest.

Premier (30)
Div 1 (30)
Div 2 (30)
Div 3 (maximum of 50) the existing participants plus new members on a 1st post basis.
Commencing 1st June.
The above numbers would be my proposal as i cannot see any reason in pratting about with a 1 a month increase over a longer period keep it simple and let us do it like this, Nobody from the premiership gets relegated during May making a very interesting month to view.

I like the idea of a month of no relegation . The banter will go off the scale with any odds on shot

i am one man and I have a lovely 7yo blue merle sheepdog and had plenty to say on the previous thread about changes!


i have little opinion on current topic at all and can't see a change that would persuade those people that are 'cautious' to approach the competition in any other way unless BSP was maybe used to give greater reward to those that are even just slightly more adventurous.

Don't see a bigger division making any noticeable difference.

As you know, I just don't see Premiership survival as a meaningful target....the aim for me is all about overall profit, not league position (I just wish I wasn't such a sh1te tipster!!!).

Only three Prem players managed a profit in March I believe and, despite people having 50 and 60% strike rates, they generally still show a 10 to 20% loss on stake!


Best structure would be one huge division with one monthly champion....isn't this the equivalent of how the SL/RP Naps table has existed happily for the 40 years that I have followed the sport?

Four settlers - each gets one very busy month but then three months off before their turn again.

BSP is something I warmed to before mads, as you say the greater the price the greater the difference.

I`ve a little exercise to complete, the results may surprise many. Or maybe not, let`s see.

Trouble with one league Madhatter the craic will vanish.

i like that as well....no relegation from Prem in May.....(how) will people's tipping habits change?

I have tried my best to stop napping on the evening a/w cards because of the awful overrounds this winter . Those that choose to bet in Ireland also have the same problem. The only downside of BSP can only be if its more work for the settlers .

i agree petemac....one would be too few....and it is nice to have a promotion to aim for (or relegation to try to avoid!) each month which would of course disappear with just one huge division

i could see say 3 divisions of 40 per league with 4 up/4 down each month persuading people to be a bit more adventurous with selections so let's hope that 30 per division will have some effect but i feel it may still need to go to a bit bigger number

Promotion and relegation are vital, that`s what makes it such a great comp.

BSP has been discussed and well rejected China.
Madhatter, are you saying you like the idea that the craic will vanish or the idea of no relegation in May for premiership?
In reply to your question how will tipping habits change? i never said that would happen just said it would be interesting to see how the existing tipsters would react to a month without the threat of relegation.

Today 14 from 24 in the premier selected a favourite, that's 58.33%

In division three it was 40%. Considering the two extremes whereby in the premier you have no promotion to aim for and division 3 where you have no relegation to fear, I`d say there`s not much difference.

Was bsp rejected mads? I may be wrong, but thought it was something we would look at again in the future?

being fair Shane it was a crap day.

I`m not saying it`s typical, but it does happen a lot divs 1 & 2 have a high percentage selecting favs, I noticed a lot last month in div 1.

petemac - like the idea of no relegation for a month.....why would anyone want the craic to disappear!?

18.33% not much difference?
If i increased my weight by that much i would be a right Fat Ba*****

sorry Mad miss-read your reply
Utd let me down once again all my years racing profit has vanished down the football drain i must give myself a good talking to.

Have you included the 7 LRF in that Shane

Take the obvious into account pete, say five were to be relegated from div 3, the percentage would be a little higher, then take promotion away from div 3 and again it`s not unfair to assume the percentage would increase again.

I have china, I assumed 3 from 7 would have been happy enough to rely on the last race fav.

The true figure would be 4 or 5 I feel.

Shane you are wasting your time trying to convince us just stick with the "lets see you knock em of their perch comment" i am still heading for the conference so it won't be me for a long time.

The popularity has risen in recent months so a Conference division could become a reality should the current trend continue.

it's a number of years since we last had a Conference division!

I think we`re ready again, adds another angle to div 3.

and cant we call it Division 4......the phrase 'Conference Division' just inexplicably makes me want to cry and kick Brian Mawhinney ('the Pooh') in the b@lls

Well, the beauty lies within promotion/relegation and the battles many have every month. Division 4 is a great idea.

Purple Triangle league is my fav

Mauve Hexagon league

It was only a couple of days ago you were giving me a wild card to the premiership, now i am getting dumped in  the fecking Conference. Which EEJIT mentioned conference?

Not me pete, honest

Could always regionalize it and have Conference North and South

Lets change the conversation China you begining to get on my nerves.
I just had a look at the Yearly Naps table very well done China TOPMAN.

I'm fed up with this. I am retiring at the end of the month. I don't like taking stick from either people who have never got near the Premiereship or from people whom I am competing against who should show some respect.
You're having a laugh if you think you are going to get a Conference going in an ever-shrinking forum

Now look what you`ve all done.

The Conference was a joke on my part salmon.

is the forum shrinking?

if so it's going in the opposite direction to the universe ... doesnt that shatter einstein's theory to smithereens?

e = mc x dj

It's shrinking Reged because since some time last year Betfair have no longer been accepting new registrations ( for the forum not the betting obviously ). As people are banned,go skint,get fed up,die etc they are not replaced. It was meant to be temporary but they have gone very quiet about it in recent months.

How long that practise will be in place is anyone`s guess.

it ws to stop the spammers wasnt it?

Yes, if you remember we had a particularly bad run with imbeciles re-joining, even infiltrating your competitions. Most were cowards who behaved childishly.

Some people had found a loophole which meant they could re-invent themselves indefinitely. We had problems with that on the Poop Deck thread. We had a little gang who insisted on calling us paedophiles. Eventually we got sick of it and started reporting them. They got banned alright but popped up the next day with new names.

They did yes.

Email sent to settlers & undecided.

salmon, obviously "brain storming" is an alien concept for you, we are only throwing ideas into the air and see if something comes out of it. Your reactions are childish, maybe thats the result of having 21K of replies in the forum, you're oversensitve (note to self...save posts so that I don't get to this point).

What's all this talk about showing respect and never getting near the Premiership??? Where does this entitlement comes from?? We say whatever we want whenever we want, there is a minimum respect we should all have amongst ourselves but what you're implying with your call for respect is the subservient kind of respect.

I could make a month table of all the competitors of the divisions together and you would see that there a lot of competitiors from the other divisions that end up way ahead of you.

Get a grip ffs

I have become an object of scorn and derision Lusitano as exemplified by your post. I do not have to put up with it. Out of respect for Shane I will carry on till the end of the month then I will do what I am perfectly entitled to do and withdraw. I'm sure the likes of you will find somebody else to kick around.

nah salmon dont do that ... compy not the same without you

salmon, I`m afraid I won`t be able to accept your resignation. I won`t get drawn in, but will say this much. You`re staying put. You do seem to get singled out at times which in the past has seemed unfair from a personal point of view.

However, Lusitano does have a right to voice his opinion as do others, even though I don`t always agree with them, I`ll always listen.

Let`s end this little dispute and moves onwards and upwards and do all we can to improve this great competition, which I know from others is the envy of many.

hear hear

Salmon i have just had a look over my recent posts in light of your angry outburst below and i do not think i have said anything out of order but if i have touched a nerve unknowingly i would like to apologies, i have had quite a bit of stick myself lately and rightly so the very poor tipping i have put out over the last 2 months in the league. But every dog has it's day my time will come.
Another poor ride today by my pilot claiming 5 (should be claiming 25 judged on this ride) All feel free to boot my head in.
Please reconsider your resignation, the leagues will be better with your participation.

"Sometimes the silence can be like Thunder" Dylan 1989 i think

I`m here pete

You have an email Reg. Weaver & undecided are both happy with the proposal.

I did reply, honest guv, but google churned it up ... sent again

Received Reg. Glad we`re all in agreement.

Best to let everyone know straightaway, can you all post in your respective divisions.

To clarify, the premier division will increase from 25 members to 28 over the next three months. So on the 30th April (last day) 5 will be promoted from div 1, 6 from div 2 and 6 from div 3. Then again at the end of May and June. The numbers in div 1 & 2 remain the same.

This will undoubtedly strengthen the premier and give three more napsters the opportunity to win it every month.
It also gives more opportunities for promotion across the board and lessens the burden on the ever growing div 3.