X Factor 2010
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10 Oct 10
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Right, is everyone agreed that lowest votes will go instantly, then we have a sing off between 2nd and 3rd bottom?
If that does happen, will the bet ive put on the first eviction market be void?
I put my bet on AFTER we heard that 2 would be eliminated and therefore i bet soley on who i thought would get the least votes.
I would be gutted to 'win' only to have the bet voided.
Can anyone clear up my confusion please?
If that does happen, will the bet ive put on the first eviction market be void?
I put my bet on AFTER we heard that 2 would be eliminated and therefore i bet soley on who i thought would get the least votes.
I would be gutted to 'win' only to have the bet voided.
Can anyone clear up my confusion please?
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Read my thread on it. I've asked Betfair and emailed them and had no clarification on that scenario which is looking ever more set in stone. Shambolic.
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Would you expect bets to be voided if the first act eliminated is just on lowest votes?
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Reading the rules again I suspect it will be voided, because of this section:
The market will be suspended when voting lines close and re-opened with unmatched bets cancelled when the acts participating in the ‘final showdown’ have been declared Therefore, there will be a change in the established elimination procedure, if it goes as mostly expected. |
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Difficult for Betfair to rule before it has happened.
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How is it difficult? If they are aware of the very likely procedure, then they can clarify what their discretional view on it is.
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There might still be a sing-off. They can't rule on heresay.
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Damn. That's such a shame. I am gutted. Because the two bets i placed on the first elimination market this evening were on acts i had stupidly backed to win it before Saturday's show!! (i did have logic for it at the time).
So not only am i going to be left embarrassed, im not even going to win the money back i wasted in the first place. It's a shambles because as soon as dermot said two acts would be eliminated, it was blatently obvious what the proceedure would be. |
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There won't be three acts involved in a sing off! No chance! It will be lowest votes out instantly. Whoever is the 'first eliminated' in this case, should be the 'winning bet'. I will be so angry and disappointed if its voided.
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2nd out eviction market suspended but not 1st out. Surely if lowest votes first out bets stand. Or does change of voting procedure trump the bleedin' obvious? Come on betfair sort it out.
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if as I suspect the lowest get eliminated and the other two of a bottom three sing off then I am confident that betfair will settle on the first eliminated being the one with the lowest vote. If by some chance they had a three way sing off then the waters are rather mudded and I would expect a void market.
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First elimination to be voided.
Second elimination won't be voided. All imho oc [;)] |
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that would be no problem as long as the bookies void the 1st eviction in the same way.
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Bookies won't. They'll make a nice big profit on it and won't have any reason to void.
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Please can someone explain why John and FYD are drifting in the first elimination market?! Seriously, one of them is guranteed to get the lowest votes. They are significantly bigger prices than when i backed them to go about 40 mins ago. But why?
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Any Other a show in.
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Because any other has come in?
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Who keeps sticking up 27s about fyd? What do ou know [;)]
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But why has any other come in? John or FYD will get the lowest votes. Neither of those acts will still be in the show after tonight. I can't believe anyone could think different. I do want them to survive, i really do, but i can't see it in a million years.
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Anyone following prices on HS bookies for Wagner will see 2.5s here as value as you are also getting the other 3 for free almost. Plenty of vfm bets and at end of day that's all you can look for.
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In theory, it is 'value' to go any other - but what value is it when the bet loses. It's a dert cert to be john (and fyd are a 'dead cert' back-up plan). There is not a chance in hell Wagner will have got less votes!
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You laying FYD at 27s George?
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Dead cert. Well one is 6/1 and the other 25/1. So both far from certain. Any other will be 1st out, shame it's gonna be voided though.
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i fear you may be right here angela. i have had no reply.
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Scuse my ignorance Angie, why will it be void? Been concentrating on the main market
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As long as the 1st person who goes has the lowest vote then there is a sing off for the next place it is an established procedure and won't be voided.
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I agree but plenty think HS bookies seldom get things badly wrong. I think they have. Nothing tonight is a "dead cert" so have a go at the 2 you fancy but if you really are an addict I'd ask someone to lock up your mortgage deeds [;)]
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The market will be suspended when voting lines close and re-opened with unmatched bets cancelled when the acts participating in the ‘final showdown’ have been declared. The market will then be suspended when the elimination is announced. Customers are entirely responsible for their positions at all times. If there is an announcement of any change to the established elimination procedure or any ambiguity as to who is voted off, then Betfair reserves the right to void this market at its absolute discretion.
This is not a normal eviction process, bottom votes straight out. So it's their discretion as to whether or not to void. Going on their BB ruling then it'll be voided imho. |
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It's certainly a grey area, as last double eviction following this procedure was 2006, 4 years ago. Though you have a very fair and valid point.
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can you have an established elimination procedurefor the first show of a new series where the format of the show is different to previous series ? is there likely to be a problem ?
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Shame they couldn't respond to us either way.
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If lowest vote goes first then I think they would use discretion and not void. Ihate it when I have a decent bet (for me!) but there's a question mark over it like this.
To be fair to BF until we are told the format how can they rule on it? |
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It is an established procedure. Will almost definitely be settled, might get involved now, but prices moving so much that it can only mean one thing, insiders.
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Just because you are paranoid Angela doesn't mean they are not out to get you!
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They're out to get us all! It's a conspiracy god damn it!
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Sid James stated they wont make a decision until the morning
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PMSL. Once their compilers work out if the result is good or bad for them. Shambles.
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Bookmakers will pay out as 1st eliminated. So bottom will be first eliminated.
betfair will void. |
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As long as a first elimination is announced and one of the four wildcards who came in yesterday (who come under Any Other’) goes out then the market will be settled as expected.
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Looks like no void officialy, though worded horribly.
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