ENGLAND - more possession,more shots on target,

Yes its not looking so bad now is it, we had a poor team poor tactics and still did better than these argies.

the delusion lives.

some party in buckingham palace tonight........

That's right we scored 2 goals against them. 2 more than the Argies.If this is an average German team I'd hate to see a good German team.

Been saying it all along, all those knocking England at this WC didn't have a clue - we didn't win, but neither were we terrible against Germany (potentially the best side here).

they had 4 one on ones against mr 39 yr old relegation champion and scored 4 / even a pub team keeper would save 2 out of 4 .wrong position,not charging them down enough and missing shots .we were bad in defence but every half chance ended up in the net.

i m sure we could of done better with a real none 39 yr old relegation calamity and add in a nicky type butt,terrible carling opta stats on tackles/pass completion(aka the messiah),thats the first messiah,the 2nd messiah is joe cole,3rd messiah crouch,4th walcott,5th adam johnson,6th,zamora etc etc

shrewdbury Joined: 25 Sep 09
Replies: 2930 03 Jul 10 16:59 

Been saying it all along, all those knocking England at this WC didn't have a clue

hmm interesting...........that's your problem,you've been saying that all along and we've all been listening. If nothing else i've managed to ascertain that you're knowledge of football is on a par with my cats.

shrewdbury - some of your posts are extraordinary. are you fishing ? England were woeful apart from the briefest of periods, and have generally been woeful for the best part of 40 years. when we as a country start to realise this , we can start to move forward. if Brazil, Germany, Argentina, Italy, Holland, Spain, or France had achieved so little, for so long, there would have been complete reform from grass roots upwards. We however still think we're doing it right and are just a tad unlucky. give me strength.

lol........he's not fishing ,just lost touch with reality,must be doing some proper strength gear

2-2 England Germany (and potentially 4-2 if we're kind and say it would still have gone that way in goals at 2-2)

4-0 and crushed Argentina.

we couldnt win the hackney marshes cup..

Don't start thinking that because England got a goal against the Germans and Argenting did'nt that they are a better outfit, dellusional thinking like this means you will never move on and start to iron out the deficiencies in the team.  Accept the fact the English team is piss poor and set about fixing it, it's the only way forward.

shrewdburys logic is a joy to behold

We got two mate. [;)]

but so what ? can you not see how poor England are and have been for so long ? Serbia beat Germany ~ do you think they're at home with the same delusions ? it's so tragic.

Serbia beat them with a bent ref only reason for that result.

I'm not saying England were great, but they weren't as bad as most of the armchair pundits think.

Saluting Darren Lockyer Joined: 07 Oct 06
Replies: 8744 03 Jul 10 17:35

shrewdburys logic is a joy to behold 

It's called goals - I know it's a difficult concept for those who chase eggs dazza.

The tragedy is that he is sort of right. We probably are better than Argentina. As a continent, Europe looks stronger than South America this time round.

With better luck with injuries, and a better manager (come back, Sven!), we could have gone further.

Rooney gave the ball away more than any other players, gerrard pass completition was 66% against germany.

shrewdbury,put your other account away..................i don' believe there's 2 people on this forum who believe england are actually better than argentina

I didn't post this thread, so must be at least 2

i think we should guard against throwing out the baby with the bathwater. we were good in 1990 and in 1998 and were also unlucky in one of the euro championships, so we haven't been bad all along and the rub of the green has not gone our way in virtually every tournament we've contested

i must say this time round i think we were a long way short of our best, especially out wide which is where i think our root problems were and we do, definitely need a goalkeeper who inspires confidence

Exactly HV - it's about a balanced approach rather than just screaming 'oh we're so terrible'. Some things we were, some things less so - we mullered some of the other countries in getting here lets not forget either.

I notice that most of those screaming about how bad england were are not even english anyway.

It is one thing to delude yourself before the competition begins and even when your miserably failing as it proceeds but to continue deluding yourself after the event can only be described as the English disease and for some people their is no cure - sad really

I think England were generaly pretty crap but they didn't have much luck either

1)Green's farsical goal

2)USA scored with what was just about the last kick of the game in their final group game which mean't instead of an easy draw England were faced with a horrendous one.

3) The referee in the Germany game didn't seem to think that two feet in the goal was far enough to officially give it.

Germany have reached semi-finals in 11 of last 15 world cups- sometimes with very average players. Isn't about time we learnt from them? Look at the current team, how many world class players do they have? So what are they doing right:-
1) Team - the team and team spirit are paramount- the fact that they have no superstars/prima donnas is a big advantage.
2) They all know their role in the system
3) Their manager analyses the opposition and then tweaks his tactics
4) The system is based on 100% effort, passing, running and using space- bit like old Liverpool teams

Football is a simple TEAM game a well organised, intelligent good players prepared to die for their teamates will often beat team of "stars"

telepathic - miserably failing is losing in the group stages, or maybe not even qualifying...(not scottish are you? )

Going out in that Germany match was not miserably failing, as pointed out we went out to the side that is currently trading as favourites for the wc, yet should have been holding them at 2-2

Your post just emphasises the position I already outlined - you seem to be living in a parallel universe.Get real.

I'm quite happy with my reality ta - so see you didn't answer any of my points then.

Germany always have a one half young / one half experienced team in the World Cup.  In the next World Cup the young part become the experienced, and they get another young crop.

They assess their squad early with physical tests to weed out the un-athletic.

England have an aged squad with no young talent in it for the next World Cup (unless you count the goal-less Rooney as talent.)

OMG.  I see above the kindling of the delusion that if Germany win the World Cup the idea that England could have won the World Cup.

No - it means we will have gone out to the champions. Is that too complicated to understand?

I find that replying to individual points all from the same illogical thought process is a waste of time and effort as you are still suffering from delusions and cant get your mind on the facts.

Would that be the fact that we went out to germany (current favourites)

Or that we did in reality do better than Scotland, Wales, Ireland, France, Italy, Australia etc....

Which of those facts is tricky for you?

I believe that any logical thought process is tricky for you. Lie down in a dark room with a cold compress on your forehead and see if that clears your head. Failing that just keep bashing your head of the nearest wall till your head clears or you conk out. Any result will be a relief to readers.

So you avoid the facts then, well done.

Are you really as thick as you ................go away .

2-2 england
0-2 argentina

work it out - after all you are telepathick (I guess scotch)

shrewdbury you talk a lot of sense but you'll always be on a hiding-to-nothing with the morons on here because...

...you talk sense.

keep it to yourself pal and keep smiling.

The one thing you are definitely Not is SHREWD.

I know allweather mate - but it is pretty funny that the scots etc are now seething that Germany were in fact pretty decent after all, and they're so gutted we didn't go out to a smaller country.

Talking about Morons another one comes along - just like buses

Shrewdbury, Allweatherking who could be next?

Are you a scot then tele?

Dont be bloody stupid I have backed Germany at 15.5 and Holland at 9.0 my interest is in results not in your stupid bullshit illogical crap. I have passed my time nicely, baiting another delusional Englander now I have something usefull to do like cleaning sh*t out of the cuckoo clock. I hope you get better with time.

So yes then.

post yer bets telepathetic

what have his bets got to do with this.

Just watch this game that's on now and see how these teams control,pass and move the ball. You dont seE them treating it as grade a plutonium and trying to get it as far away from themselves as possible.

What I posted think England of course doesn't mean I backed them - I thought they were way to short in price. Funnily we share bets Tele - as I also backed Holland (pre Brazil)

as with previous eng tourno s we ended up as 2nd - hence we got germany. if we won group as we should of then it would of been ghana,then uruguay,in other words 2 byes.

it was a golden generation.

1)gerrard won champs league on his own.
2)lamps played 66 games for mourinho in best season - he said his best player.
3)rooney ,a one off who as already won champs league,and helped ronaldo become the greatest player anyone under the age of 35 as ever seen.then when left to do it on his own - had his best season.
4)a.cole - most consistent and best left back in last 10 years,the only and best player in 2010.i didnt used to rate him much ,but he was the best player in every game this time.

gerrard scored,lamps sort of scored,cole man of match 4 times - but why did rooney play so bad,did he have no faith trust in his rubbish team mates,they even played heskey cos he liked that ,cant see why rooney played so bad,but played bad for utd in last 12 games,its not the injury,but it could be sleepless nights/first child,wife moaning/cant cope syndrome.

ponder this - you are thought of as the best player in england and pushing for fifa player of the world,youve had one girl friend since the age of 15(plus owd slapper).you feel and look 45,yet your only 25 and a multi millionaire,hes trapped,tied down ,hes never sowed his seed,never done 2 lap dancers at the same time - whats the point of being a millionaire if you cant benefit from it - you see terry having multiple affairs/tiger woods doing 20 women/lampard doing a celeb,even and whisper this beckham hanging around milan/africa and wimbledon whilst his wife denies a split,wouldnt he want to see his kids or andy murray.

i think rooney is unhappy as he ever gone out and pulled a woman,and skipped into training the next day with his ego boosted - no.

and what does the world cup bring 5 weeks in a remote hotel as he said ,breakfast/train/lunch/bed/dinner/and same again every day.

a life time of nappy changing ahead of him and hes not even had a 3 some- whilst all around him at england are knocking anything that moves - even ashley cole.

rooney could go down in the history of football as the player who had the least sh ags ,peter beardsleys even laughing at him.

I expected that - thats how morons operate no trust - sorry to dissapoint.
My business.

......and still ****.e

comingupthehill,

Why on earth did you bother with that post ?..........i was going to stop reading at point n01 but curiosity got the better of me.

If you havent been drinking i suggest you start now

There's a jock and an aussie on here nuff said.

as opposed to a loon and walter mitty

salut - please explain rooneys terrible performance in africa - what caused it - he wanted heskey playing along side him and got it - so why did he play so bad - and not try.

me explain it ?
you seem to have your finger on the pulse judging by your post,dont think you need me to say where it all went wrong.

don't make the mistake of thinking its all his fault though,its a collective ensemble,they all played their part in it.

Darren - how do you think the aussies did?

All I know is when Germany and England were paired instead of laying off my outright bet on Germany, I increased it.  All now laid off after today and I can enjoy my green on outright, top scorer, nominate finalists.

My letter to Santa Claus this Christmas,
Please hold the World Cup every year.
Please qualify England every time.

Its a head doctor who treats delusion we need on here Comingupthe hill is going downhill fast. I thought I had read some crap on Betfair forums but he is world class.

shrewdie,
its irrelevant and i think the aussies played as well as expectations allowed,england didn't

1) james played to his peek
2)johnson - same
3)cole man of match 4 times played his correct game
4)barry - over rated did his best
5)terry bust a gut died for the shirt - too slow got punished
6)upson/carragher - both 2nd rate
7)milner - forced to play when ill - played ok in 1 game
8)defoe 2nd best striker in england but not great,got a goal did his best
9)the most shocking preformance ever y a top player ,against algeria,recieved 6 passes failed to control 5 of them - basic easy controls,made one successful pass in second half .a total disgrace and i m a utd fan ,team played to his personal tactics .i.e big daft brusier alongside but still wasnt happy - why.
10)gerrard,played ok got a goal,but failed to hold his position letting the team down with lack of shape - got paul scholes diesease - cantstayoutleftitis,thinkshestogoodphobia.
11)len/swp - a selection of london little men who cant beat a man.played to their best - i.e s hite

"shrewdie" I nearly piss*d myself laughing

Darren ,Darren - choose your words carefully

Saluting Darren Lockyer Joined: 07 Oct 06
Replies: 8753 03 Jul 10 20:33   
i think the aussies played as well as expectations allowed,england didn't

So you're not jumping on their backs because they didn't win every game, very sensible.

1)james played as well as he could,too old has to go now.
2)johnson,not an international class right back,has to go.
3)cole,englands best player,no complaints from me.
4)upson,not an international centre half.
5)terry,too slow and a liability,no longer an interntional centre half.
6)barry,an average premiership footballer,not good enough.
7)gerrard,out of form all season and carried it into the world cup.
8)rooney,had a shocker,not himself at all.
9)lampard,same as always,englad games pass him by,has to go.
10)heskey,i dont know why he's there.
11)swp,lennon.......head down,out of control diddy men with diddy minds.

we completely agree - most england players did their best(poor) but why rooney so bad - whats the problem

if you play with turkeys you cant soar like an eagle.

World Class ?????????Delusion and hope - no substance

worrying times mate

telepathetic you need to go and lie down in a dark room. 

shouldnt bet if you cant afford to lose imo.

its got nothing to do with betting,my dad doesnt bet but he almost sent my mums dog so close to the tv it could have read the news

If the 16 teams who qualified played each other in a league format, England would have finished bottom. Daylight would have been bottom but 1, france bottom but2, then new zealand bottom but3 or maybe italy

Allweather

What are you havering about - you make no sense in fact just nonsense Try and dry out drinking doesnt agree with you.

telepathic Joined: 13 Nov 03
Replies: 211 03 Jul 10 20:37   

"shrewdie" I nearly piss*d myself laughing

why's that - because my bets are bad? I backed Holland at bigger prices, didn't you?

lol

Shrewdbury
The matrons looking for you ,your Horlicks is ready and it is bedtime. goodnight Hope you dream of a successfull English team.
Mind you it will only be a dream and will be gone by daylight.

that deserves another lol
there's no hope for him mate...............away with the fairies

I'll just have to console myself with that green book then fellas.

oh, and start worrying about your own countries, they might play better!

...............

Fact, in the qualifiers WALES outplayed germany in germany and lost 1-0, the germans didnt deserve anything from that game but came out of it with the 3 points. In Cardiff the germans were better and won 2-0. Wales like germany have a very talented even younger side. If wales avoid the trap of showing them too much respect i expect them to turn over england in the euro qualifiers. do need ramsey to recover tho.

telepathetic:

not interested in stupid bullshit...I have backed Germany at 15.5 and Holland at 9.0

  classic aftertiming

bet you got todays correct scores as well.

g'night all.

Some people have posted that we're not so bad and we haven't been so bad over the years and we shouldn't over react.
Can i suggest to those people that they take a piece of paper and compare England's achievements in major tournaments to Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Spain, France, Italy and Holland. Start on any date you like, but let's take 1950 , so that it includes England's one success.
It's almost schizophrenic that people can look at this record and think it's not such a bad track, and at the same time think England are contenders.
On top of that , England have played such inept horrible football for so long, and been represented by such utter spineless bottom feeders, it is a f@cking disgrace.

PierreLaRogue 03 Jul 10 16:33
Yes its not looking so bad now is it, we had a poor team poor tactics and still did better than these argies.


Who had a poor team, poor tactics and NO manager.

To sum up ...
... if England had not lost, they would have won.

Allweather
I certainly did not get the correct scores yesterday - but I definitely have got your number - LOSER.
Aftertiming is the only positive thought in your head.

kincsem Joined: 12 Apr 04
Replies: 1171 04 Jul 10 11:10 

To sum up ...
... if England had not lost, they would have won.

No, If England had been allowed the same rules for goals of every other side we'd have been holding Germany 2-2. Doesn't mean we'd have won the game or the WC, but it does mean we would have been doing better against them than pretty much anyone else did in this WC (apart from the Serbia 'bent ref' game).

SO WHAT ? you don't get it. carry on believing.

Carry on believing what? I didn't say we were great, I just said that's what happened, which some seem to want to deny on here. They talk about facing the facts, when those were the facts.

I've a fact for you.

YOU ARE SIMPLE.

English haters dont want to accept that a very poor England were close to beating the best international team in the world at the moment, we came up against the only team that could of beaten us! :D

No, that's your opinion dazza. (have to teach them the difference on here) [;)]
Which is also pretty far out given that I've already cleaned up in this WC - how have you done?

Exactly pierre

So Algeria and USA must be into the top 10 in the new fifa having been held by the mighty freescoring English .

Did the Argies drop any points proir to their lesson against Germany .hhhhmmmm

But I'm sure the English Players will hold their heads up with such pride  in obtaining  their wonderful record in the 2010 WC.[:x]

even joe cole has come out and stated that england aren't good enough and have trouble holding onto the ball.......and thats coming from a player not a lounge manager

Dear god. Your crap. International games dont lie. English players are overated overpaid and just cant keep the ball. Algeria gave u aa
a passing lesson. END OFF.

Algeria barely got out of their half and the USA were lucky to scrape a point?

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