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By:
wisewords
When: 02 Nov 24 15:31
Lucie was pretty good and very nice for the 10 mins I heard of her. she had to leave because she's part of the opening ceremony but we'll hear more from her later and the rest of the week
By:
wisewords
When: 02 Nov 24 15:37
any idea of the court speed for this? didn't really pay much attention to that doubles match earlier. I really should have
By:
wisewords
When: 02 Nov 24 15:39
Laura looks fuming whenever Gigi is doing one of her long monologues. Laura can't hide it
By:
wisewords
When: 02 Nov 24 15:53
Ons in the house! Garbine in a white suit, looks very nervous
By:
wisewords
When: 02 Nov 24 15:56
this is alot of pressure on Garbine to get this right
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Nov 24 16:16
yay, commentary on the betting streams.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Nov 24 16:17
Can't believe they had the two most in-form players play each other in the first match in the tournament.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Nov 24 16:21

Nov 2, 2024 -- 4:16PM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:


yay, commentary on the betting streams.


I'm pretty sure they could always have that, but they mugged their settings and put on a commentary free stream so that's the default.

By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Nov 24 16:21
at least the courts are nice.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Nov 24 16:22
Emma is such a great friend. Withdrawing so Danielle can get her place.
By:
wisewords
When: 02 Nov 24 16:23
Rich Emma
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Nov 24 16:24
doesn't work. Other Emma is rich too.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Nov 24 16:24
maybe Billionaire Emma.
By:
wisewords
When: 02 Nov 24 16:30
is today the day Qinwen conquers The Mountain?
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Nov 24 16:32
WTA finals is a good way to think back how long one has followed WTA.

For me I have the followed this event while it was held in Madrid, Doha, Istanbul, Singapore, Shenzhen, Guadalajara, Fort Worth, Cancun and now Riyadh.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Nov 24 16:32

Nov 2, 2024 -- 4:30PM, wisewords wrote:


is today the day Qinwen conquers The Mountain?


is that why Garbine is there, for inspiration?

By:
wisewords
When: 02 Nov 24 16:39
not really sure why Garbine is tournament director, maybe because she won the Finals in Guadalajara in 2021
By:
wisewords
When: 02 Nov 24 16:44
If Aryna Sabalenka, Iga Swiatek, Coco Gauff, Jasmine Paolini, Elena Rybakina, Jessica Pegula, Zheng Qinwen or Barbora Krejcikova can hoist the trophy at the end without losing a match, the undefeated champion will receive over $5m (£3.8m) — more than any of the Grand Slam tournaments.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Nov 24 16:47
must be easy to be tournament director for this tournament. you don't have to worry about withdrawals, weather, schedule or anything really. Some ex-players make great tournament directors, and I don't really have an opinion on Garbine yet, but it does feel she was given the job because she won in 2021. And maybe the prince has the hots for her.
By:
wisewords
When: 02 Nov 24 16:52
Serving as tournament director for the Tour Finals is a little different than it is for other tournaments, where solving the scheduling puzzle for hundreds of matches can be a massive challenge. At the Tour Finals, which includes only the top eight players and doubles teams, the schedule is set ahead of time and everyone plays on the same court, which is indoors, so the weather won’t wreak havoc with it.

That has allowed Muguruza to delve into the more mundane aspects of the job: making sure the tournament has chosen the right sort of high-end hotel, that the food is premium quality, that the locker rooms are well-appointed, that the warm-up areas and gyms meet with professional standards.

The practice courts in Riyadh are of high quality. The stadium befits a large event and the players have individual locker rooms with decals of them in full flight on the walls. Top doubles player Ellen Perez posted an admiring Instagram story of the breakfast spread, which she described as the “best I’ve ever seen” at an event.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Nov 24 17:02
can you try to list one or two things that sticks out from the tournaments you have watched.
for me:
Spoiler: Show
2007: Masha and Henin playing a really long match
2008: Williams sisters met in the finals (I think)
2009: Caro cramping against Vera, the Caro and Vika video where they call themselves a pusher and ballbasher, Ula and Aga in the crowd dancing to Poker Face
2010: Dementieva's farewell
2011: Vika trying to tank against Bartoli, but Bartoli was too bad to take advantage
2012: Serena having a muggy match against JJ, Masha shouting RUN RUN RUN to Aga.
2013: Kerber GATE to get her into the tournament, phorum having fun with Onbes onbes
2014: Schemona
2015: Flavia's farewell, but I don't really remember anything else.
2016: Pome won, that's all
2017: blank
2018: blank
2019: lots of retirements, the next big things (Barty, Bianca, Naomi) and then they either got injured, pregnant or stopped playing
2020: NOT HELD
2021: Garbine and Anett GOATing. Excellent crowds at Guadalajara.
2022: Ons scaring Iga. Bad crowds.
2023: WINDY CANCUN


Needless to say, the Shenzhen era wasn't very memorable. I might have the wrong years for some of these.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Nov 24 17:05
Ellen Perez taking part in sports washing Cry
By:
wisewords
When: 02 Nov 24 17:10
you have a good memory, I don't remember much about many of them. I followed tennis casually for a long time but the first time I properly followed a WTA Tour Finals was 2014 I think
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Nov 24 17:15
Skinner saying "the beautiful city of Riyadh". He's on the payroll Sad
By:
wisewords
When: 02 Nov 24 17:18
random stuff I remember:

2014 when Halep beat Serena on the group but refused to tank to ensure Serena's elimination and the inevitable happening with Serena bashing her up in the final

Svitolina won a Tour Finals sometime. technically her biggest tournament win

Garbine stopping Anett's streak in 2021
Fort Worth edition was terrible in 2022 with abysmal crowds
Cancun edition was even more abysmal than 2023 with the makeshift court with the random bounces, the crazy windy conditions and the constant rain interruptions
By:
wisewords
When: 02 Nov 24 17:19
even more abysmal than 2022*
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Nov 24 17:20
yeah, we have the same memories from 21-23 editions

Svito was one of the Shenzhen years.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Nov 24 17:24
Anett went 28-2 in the 30 matches before that final.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Nov 24 17:26
remember when they put a tournament in Tallinn to capitalize on Anett's success!

And then look who was there to spoil the party.

26‑Sep‑2022    Tallinn    Hard    F    4    27    (7)Barbora Krejcikova [CZE] d. (1)Kontaveit    6-2 6-3 (ch)
By:
edy
When: 02 Nov 24 17:37

Nov 2, 2024 -- 5:15PM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:


Skinner saying "the beautiful city of Riyadh". He's on the payroll


I'm positive it is a relatively beautiful city (for a modern townscraper city) and clean (easier to keep clean if you are beheaded for leaving cigarette buds).

By:
edy
When: 02 Nov 24 17:38
Heard ITV has or is soon to release a documentary on tens of thousands of migrant workers having had died in Saudi Arabian infrastructure (NEOM).
By:
Angela Rebecchi
When: 02 Nov 24 17:39
GSM Saba !
By:
wisewords
When: 02 Nov 24 17:48
yes I know BK loved to own Anett, don't remind me Sad
By:
wisewords
When: 02 Nov 24 17:49
cigarette butts*, edy
By:
wisewords
When: 02 Nov 24 17:50
Toadfish in the house!
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Nov 24 17:51
should the WTA go back to this format for the WTA finals? I like round robins in theory, but rarely do we get those exciting last rounds like we often get in football.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Chase_Championships_–_Singles

So knockout format.
Schedule could be:
Monday 4 R16 matches (two on day session, two on night session)
Tuesday 4 R16 matches (two on day session, two on night session)
Wednesday 4 QF's (one day session, one night session)
Thursday 4 QF's (one day session, one night session)
Friday rest
Saturday 2 SF's (day session)
Sunday F (night)

Better than what we have now?

For this year we would have:
Sabalenka vs Mirra
Emma N vs Dasha K
Rybakina vs BK
Paolini vs Kalinskaya

Coco vs Shnaider
Jess vs Paula
Zheng vs Danielle
Iga vs Osty

15 matches overall, just like now. But no dead rubbers. And unlike in Slams where draws will fall apart, barring injuries we'd have the top 16 in R16.
But no guaranteed 3 matches for the players obviously.
By:
wisewords
When: 02 Nov 24 18:23
I like this idea^. the depth is there in the top 20 for this to work imo, and it would freshen things up. also eliminates dead rubbers like you pointed out
By:
edy
When: 02 Nov 24 18:30
Mirra likes the idea too this year because it would have earned her money.

In the fiture she'd probably dislike it as it makes her have to share the prize pool with more players.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Nov 24 19:28
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbZk2JpbMAARGj3?format=jpg&name=small

some players would have tapped her.

Luckily for me, he played the final point even though he couldn't move.
By:
wisewords
When: 02 Nov 24 19:28
newsflash edy... Mirra isn't the first tennis player to play to win money
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