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Good luck Emma.
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every time i see that stadium it looks awesome, don;t think i will ever get used to it
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i didn't watch her game at Wimbledon, what happened? she bottled it?
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Correct mes, no pressure.
She's already banked £1/2m so I'm sure she'll be pretty relaxed. |
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Yeah that stadium is beautiful, as is Australias to be fair
Roland Garros is ugly by comparison and Wimbledon is bland |
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Fantastic effort from young Emma. Into the US Open Final in her teens without dropping a set.
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Just brilliant !!!
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As I've said before, this girl is the real deal.
Mentally she is ice cool. |
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I have not had any bets on the tennis and regret not being able to watch it but I was right when I said that the 2 teenagers might well dominate this tournament and many to come. The rest of them are all Group 3 standard in racing terms and women's tennis has been waiting for someone to replace Serena. Halep, Barty, Swiatek etc.are all good players but not champions. Not sure which of these two is the best as I have never really watched them play apart from Wimbledon. Injuries can intervene of course but if they stay fit they can only improve.
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according to skybet the two players have never met before ......not so, emma beat her at 2018 junior wimbledon 2nd round . went on to be beaten in the final by swiatek.
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They have never met at senior level. Swiatek beat her in the QF not the F.
Sageform Halep Barty and Swiatek are all grand slam champions. You are getting carried away and suggested Raducanu was dominating women's tennis before she had beaten a top 20 player. I wouldn't say Fernandez has been 'dominant' at all. She was close to defeat in all of her last 4 matches and it was as much down to her opponents being passive or choking as it was how she has played. Both players are playing without fear and pressure and meeting these players for the first time. It won't be as easy when there is pressure and expectation on their shoulders and the rest are used to their game. Raducanu looks to have a lot more potential than Fernandez to me. |
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People were saying the same things about Osaka, Andreescu and Swiatek after they won their first majors, not after they won a QF or SF, and they were wrong.
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Someone insanely talented, strong willed and hard-working needs to come along to dominate women's tennis. I can't see it happening for a while yet. Just random winners followed by a few less random winners followed by more random young winners!
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Leylah has had the more impressive run to the final though in my opinion
The number 2, 3, 5 and 16 seeds beaten by Fernandez Raducanu hasn't beaten a top 10 seed en route |
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Osaka will be back as well, just needs to get her head back in the game
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One of the advantages Fernandez has apart from being the new kid of the block who’s game is not that well known, same as Raducanu, is that she’s a lefty. You hardly play lefties during the season as there’s only 8 of them in the top 100 atm, you’ll play a long succession of matches against right handed players and all of a sudden you have to change your thinking patterns and tactics for a left hander, even for lefties playing lefties it’s difficult because then they have to change as well as they’re used to playing righties, I remember Muller driving Nadal to drink at Wimbledon 4 or 5 years ago with these incessant big side spin serves to his forehand in the ad serving box when he’s more used to returning serves to the T with his back hand there, though in general easier for Nadal to deal with them as there’s almost twice as many lefties in the top 100 than in the WTA. The other issue is that it’s also difficult to find left handed players to practice returning serves with because there are so few of them.
Looking at her opponents before she played them, Sabalenka had only played 2 lefties this year and 55 right handed players, Svitolina 7 v lefties and 46 v Right (lost her last 3 v lefties, now 4), Kerber 31R v 7L (she’s left), Osaka 19 right, 4 left (had lost v 2 of them now 3 from 5) , Kanepi 25 v right, 2 v left and Konjuh 53 v right, 3 v left. Raducanu’s played 21 right handed players at all levels in 2021 and 6 lefties, she beat all 6 of them including Vondrousov,, contrast that to to Fernandez who’s played 37 matches v right handed players in 2021 and only 4 v lefties, when you add that to the relatively quick feet she has you can see why her opponents were made to feel uncomfortable making UE’s they shouldn’t, or forced unforced errors, like Svitolina’s backhand breaking down trying to deal with the cross court forehands that come with speed greater than the double backhands she’s used to. This stuff interests me because I think it counts, it’s a small advantage for Fernandez still even if she’s had some help with players like Sabalenka beating herself going from hitting 9 winners/0 UE to lead 3-0 to making double faults and missing simple overheads Emma has the fitness edge, even though she’s played 3 more matches having come through qualifying she’s played 33 games less. The quality of Fernandez’a opponents have been higher than Raducanu’s but the quality of Raducanu’s play has been higher, I think she’s going to win, assuming she doesn’t melt which based on last night, she wont. Also, make no mistake about it, if every player on tour played to their absolute best, then Halep is the best all round player when fit and Osaka is the most naturally gifted player and by far and away the best on hard courts, Andreescu should be world number 1 at some point and should have been already if not for injuries and lockdowns, they are 3 biggest talents. Whoever wins this slam is unlikely to win the next because that's just the way the WTA rolls, there's nobody who can dominate at the minute either because of injuries, mental problems (Naomi) or not being the level of a Serena, Graf or Henin. The grind of the tour will hit both Raducanu and Fernandez eventually and only then will you know their true level, you often get quick rises before plateauing or even regressing such as Bouchard, Ivanovic, Jankovic, Penko, Stephens or fluctuators like Kuznetsova, but Emma easily has the ability to be top 10 consistently whatever happens on Saturday night. The only down side is that the LTA and their 6 figure salary chiefs will probably hide behind her success to cover up all the dross they're produced over the years despite LTA being one of the wealthiest tennis organisations in the world, good luck Emma ![]() |
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Good write up.
Probably the reason Rafa plays left-handed although naturally right-handed. |
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there’s almost twice as many lefties in the top 100 than in the WTA
is this because of right handed male players choosing to play left handed? |
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Kerber is naturally right handed too
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Fernandez now 27 in the live rankings. Radu 32.
Will be 19 and 21 whoever wins the final. More or less level with Gauff and Andreescu. Raducanu hasn't even played a match on clay. Not sure she did at Junior level either. Bit premature to be talking about her dominating. |
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Can't really see playing on clay making much difference tbf.
All the other names (except Osaka) seem to act on it. Grass is the surface that most struggle on. |
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That's because they've played on it as juniors. Osaka didn't play juniors. Most people struggle on grass because they don't play on it very often. Same with clay for Raducanu if she hasn't played on it.
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I'm sure she'll adapt but we'll find out soon enough.
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Clay is like the fibresand at Southwell, a specialist surface in my opinion
I actually like watching clay matches, who remembers Guilermo Coria? the one touted to dominate clay before Nadal turned up |
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Hewitt and Roddick suffered a similar fate on the other surfaces when Fed and later Djock turned up
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mesmerised 15.40 post . excellent .
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Yeah that post was very good
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in the men's game, clay generally poses more of a problem for players who are not used to it. you can see this by the list of winners of roland garros and wimbledon. RG was (before Nadal) often won by players who wouldn;t win on hard courts or grass.
in the women's game the different surfaces have less significance because they don;t hit the ball as hard. so the different raections of the ball on teh different surfaces are not as pronounced. |
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Final now live on C4
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I think the bookmakers have got this wrong by making Emma big favourite @ 8/15, Leylah on the other hand has beaten 4 top players Osaka, Kerber, Svitolina, Sabalenka. Question is why is Emma big odds on???
This match should have been 5/6 each. Here they go to the finals of a grand slam for their first time, nerves will be there. I put my money on Leylah Fernandez worth losing then backing a wild card Emma. But may they best girl win. |
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Because patriotic money
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bookmakers are not deciding the current or starting odds per se are they, money in Asian, Australian, European and American markets that we can't bet on but overseas punters can, have the the same or similar odds to your local bookie, she is the better player
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I wasn't talking about sp. I was talking about the lowering of Radu's price on BF and it will prob go lower before the off. It's the same when England play a big match. Happens every time.
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We'll see but I doubt Emma will beat herself like Svitolina & Sababot did.
Osaka talks tooooo much about her mental health which gives anyone who plays her belief. |
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I've gone for both of them to be broken in their first game. 6/1 seems value.
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my post was to tornado.
this is on channel 4 apparently, have not see council telly in years, is Neighbours and home and away still going ? Come on EmmaGOAT! |
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I feel robbed. Breaks of serve in games 2 and 3.
So close, but no cigar ![]() |
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She is ice cold as they come..... clearly she is the superior player in this final power side, very level on skill, but couple that in with her coolness in her blood, She really is something!!
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100% BBC Sports Personality of the Year 2021
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