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By:
n88uk
When: 12 Jul 16 21:29

Jul 12, 2016 -- 8:49PM, edy wrote:


Is he really unelectable or is the electorate just full of jerks who keep talking about how bad the status quo and the establishment is but always keep going for the conservative choice?


He really is unelectable imo. I don't really get how at a very basic level labour keep ending with these leaders with no charisma, no leadership qualities. Corbyn is the sort of guy who talks and no-one would listen, even at the most basic levels of what you want in a leader that's a bad quality to have.

But his policies are out of alignment with most of his party. And his crazy far left stuff would be soon as too much of a risk. A lot of people remember crazy left polticians from the 80s. And he's got all sorts of links to dodgy IRA groups etc. He also has absolutely crazy policies like disarming the police, among other total bs that you'd have to be a complete idiot to be for.

I don't think it's exaggerating to say Labour will lose loads of seats en masse if he goes into a general election. He couldn't galvanise the Labour heartlands to vote remain, why would they support him now? Labour are already in a bad position having lost Scotland, he won't get Scotland back and seems like he will drive Labour heartlands to UKIP as people are unlikely to get what they want from Brexit (we discussed this yesterday) thus will blame the government and see UKIP as the solution.

By:
edy
When: 12 Jul 16 21:30
Sad state of affairs of charisma is more important than views and integrity, isn't it?
By:
winningthought
When: 12 Jul 16 21:31
Optics always trump policy edy Mischief
By:
edy
When: 12 Jul 16 21:32
I blame Schröder
By:
n88uk
When: 12 Jul 16 21:32
Er but charisma is something. You want a leader who takes command of a room, as that person comes across a strong leader. Which is the opposite Corbyn comes across when talking.
By:
edy
When: 12 Jul 16 21:32
Isn't your police already widely disarmed?
By:
winningthought
When: 12 Jul 16 21:33
I gotta admit, he was pretty suave Cool

even for a German Happy
By:
n88uk
When: 12 Jul 16 21:33
Yes. But he wouldn't even have armed police to deal with say a terrorist attack. He is a cretin who thinks you can just tell these people "stop it" and they will listen.
By:
winningthought
When: 12 Jul 16 21:34
n88uk - endless wars and charisma, or not endless wars and no charisma?
By:
edy
When: 12 Jul 16 21:35
He wouldn't keep a few special SWAT like units?
By:
n88uk
When: 12 Jul 16 21:36
Some of the stuff he said around the Paris attack was awful.
By:
aaronh
When: 12 Jul 16 21:36

Jul 12, 2016 -- 9:32PM, n88uk wrote:


Er but charisma is something. You want a leader who takes command of a room, as that person comes across a strong leader. Which is the opposite Corbyn comes across when talking.


Labour already seen what a leader with no appeal brings you

By:
n88uk
When: 12 Jul 16 21:36
It was along the lines of he wouldn't necessarily use armed police.
By:
doridoru
When: 12 Jul 16 21:37
I'm back! just reading article, loads of big firms who said Brexit would cause leave/meltdown changing their mind...

"German industrial giant Siemens has said it will continue to invest in the UK, despite earlier warnings that a vote to leave the EU could affect its future activities in the country.

Siemens chief executive Joe Kaeser told a number of media organisations that the company remained fully committed to manufacturing in the UK."
By:
aaronh
When: 12 Jul 16 21:39
cool
By:
edy
When: 12 Jul 16 21:41
That's incomplete. Kaeser also said today that a UK without access to the single market would likely see a decrease in efforts in the UK.
By:
edy
When: 12 Jul 16 21:41
Investitionsentscheidungen, so lässt Siemens durchblicken, könnten langfristig durch den Brexit beeinflusst werden, wenn es etwa Exporte von Großbritannien ins Ausland und damit auch in die EU betrifft. Das neue Werk in Hull könnte ein solches Beispiel sein. Ein Ausbau der Rotorblatt-Produktion, der für die nächsten Jahre als Option angedacht scheint, würde eher dem Export aus Großbritannien dienen. Der aber könnte beeinträchtigt werden, sollte sich Großbritannien zu sehr von der EU distanzieren. Daher plädierte Kaeser dafür, dass sich das Königreich trotz des beschlossenen Austritts so nah wie möglich am europäischen Binnenmarkt ausrichtet.
By:
tof
When: 12 Jul 16 21:41
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWDA1ew2gMU
By:
wisewords
When: 12 Jul 16 21:41
ed do you feel hurt that the UK have abandoned the EU?
By:
aaronh
When: 12 Jul 16 21:43
Großbritannien

Happy
By:
edy
When: 12 Jul 16 21:47
yes wisewords, because I feel that the EU gets a whole lot of unfair criticism and there are a lot of irresponsible myths and plain lies being spread and that that kinda stuff is the primary reason we see so much eurosceptism.

The EU will survive, the UK will survive, but it's sad that you chose to not be part of the greatest and coolest thing on the planet.
By:
wisewords
When: 12 Jul 16 21:48
it's huge shame I agree.
By:
wisewords
When: 12 Jul 16 21:49
if I could sum up why the UK voted to leave in 1 word, it would be racism.
By:
edy
When: 12 Jul 16 21:51
There also seems to be joy in people that otherwise maybe feel neglected if they feel like they potentially coul tear stuff down just for the sake of it
By:
edy
When: 12 Jul 16 21:51
That's the impression I got on the politics forum here. People were almost joyous because they think they tore the EU down as a whole with their vote
By:
map
When: 12 Jul 16 21:53
ANY bets tonight anyone
By:
aaronh
When: 12 Jul 16 21:53
dunno
By:
wisewords
When: 12 Jul 16 21:55
aaron what do people hope to achieve by leaving the EU?
By:
wisewords
When: 12 Jul 16 21:55
more control economically and more control over immigration. pretty much that?
By:
aaronh
When: 12 Jul 16 22:00
Vote Leave is the campaign for a Leave vote in the EU Referendum that will take place on the 23rd June 2016
Technological and economic forces are changing the world fast. EU institutions cannot cope. We have lost control of vital policies. This is damaging. We need a new relationship. What happens if we vote 'leave'?

We should negotiate a new UK-EU deal based on free trade and friendly cooperation. We end the supremacy of EU law. We regain control. We stop sending £350 million every week to Brussels and instead spend it on our priorities, like the NHS and science research.

We regain our seats on international institutions like the World Trade Organisation so we are a more influential force for free trade and international cooperation.

A vote to 'leave' and a better, friendlier relationship with the EU is much safer than giving Brussels more power and money every year.


Happy
By:
wisewords
When: 12 Jul 16 22:00
why was KD to GSW not received well?
By:
aaronh
When: 12 Jul 16 22:01
people don't like super teams coming together
By:
n88uk
When: 12 Jul 16 22:03
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnLiyg8UAAA-4no.jpg

US Open prize money.
By:
aaronh
When: 12 Jul 16 22:06
how much is that in the great British Pound
By:
wisewords
When: 12 Jul 16 22:07
ATP - DOUBLES: Newport (USA), grass
    21:00    Finished         Baker B./Ram R.    2    6    7                            
    O'Brien D./Young D.    0    3    5
By:
wisewords
When: 12 Jul 16 22:07
Brian on fire
By:
edy
When: 12 Jul 16 22:12

Jul 12, 2016 -- 10:00PM, aaronh wrote:


Vote Leave is the campaign for a Leave vote in the EU Referendum that will take place on the 23rd June 2016Technological and economic forces are changing the world fast. EU institutions cannot cope. We have lost control of vital policies. This is damaging. We need a new relationship. What happens if we vote 'leave'?We should negotiate a new UK-EU deal based on free trade and friendly cooperation. We end the supremacy of EU law. We regain control. We stop sending £350 million every week to Brussels and instead spend it on our priorities, like the NHS and science research.We regain our seats on international institutions like the World Trade Organisation so we are a more influential force for free trade and international cooperation.A vote to 'leave' and a better, friendlier relationship with the EU is much safer than giving Brussels more power and money every year.


The UK already had a stop option on deeper integration.

By:
n88uk
When: 12 Jul 16 22:13

Jul 12, 2016 -- 10:06PM, aaronh wrote:


how much is that in the great British Pound


75% = amount in £ right now so main prize = £2.64m. Brits earning a lot more abroad now obv.

By:
wisewords
When: 12 Jul 16 22:14

Jul 12, 2016 -- 10:12PM, edy wrote:


Jul 12, 2016 -- 10:00PM, aaronh wrote:Vote Leave is the campaign for a Leave vote in the EU Referendum that will take place on the 23rd June 2016Technological and economic forces are changing the world fast. EU institutions cannot cope. We have lost control of vital policies. This is damaging. We need a new relationship. What happens if we vote 'leave'?We should negotiate a new UK-EU deal based on free trade and friendly cooperation. We end the supremacy of EU law. We regain control. We stop sending £350 million every week to Brussels and instead spend it on our priorities, like the NHS and science research.We regain our seats on international institutions like the World Trade Organisation so we are a more influential force for free trade and international cooperation.A vote to 'leave' and a better, friendlier relationship with the EU is much safer than giving Brussels more power and money every year.The UK already had a stop option on deeper integration.


it's to do with racism and immigration ed.

By:
aaronh
When: 12 Jul 16 22:15
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