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By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 17:38
thinly veiled "i am a sexist" fred
By:
TheMadness
When: 04 Jul 13 17:40
Well, I am.
By:
Injera
When: 04 Jul 13 17:40
Same sport, 2 separate events (not interchangeable), played over a different number of sets.

Of course they should get equal pay...
By:
TheMadness
When: 04 Jul 13 17:42
How does the BBC do an interview like this and not question that Sara Errani got paid the same amount of money as Novak Djokovic at the French Open?
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 17:43
Laugh
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 17:43
the womens quarter finals at the french open all went longer than than the mens

should the qf losers in the mens get paid less Confused
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 17:44
It shows peoples priorities anyway, the male players seem to keep bringing it up yet there is a more concerning issue regarding prize money on the tour regarding futures and challengers
By:
TheMadness
When: 04 Jul 13 17:48
"the womens quarter finals at the french open all went longer than than the mens

should the qf losers in the mens get paid less"

Yeah, yeah. Let's calculate how long the men are on the court on average and how long the women are... More importantly, who brings in the punters? Federer and Nadal and a few other men. That's who.
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 17:50
well why do you need to feel the reason to mention Errani (because it was a short match) Confused
By:
Patb
When: 04 Jul 13 17:50
the clever thing to do is change the argument from the negativity concerning wanting more money to the more positive message of promoting equal conditions. If the ATP said that they promoted equality at all levels and , therefore, they would only play 3 sets, then that would be a very interesting argument. The WTA would have to support them as it would be another move towards equality  but the GS orginasers would never accept it: interesting...
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 17:50
the women were paid less when the WTA was more popular and ATP was in a mug era pre-Fed Shocked
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 17:51

Jul 4, 2013 -- 5:50PM, Patb wrote:


the clever thing to do is change the argument from the negativity concerning wanting more money to the more positive message of promoting equal conditions. If the ATP said that they promoted equality at all levels and , therefore, they would only play 3 sets, then that would be a very interesting argument. The WTA would have to support them as it would be another move towards equality

By:
TheMadness
When: 04 Jul 13 17:51
"well why do you need to feel the reason to mention Errani (because it was a short match)"

Yes. It's absurd that women who will never play more than 3 sets and could even be off in an hour get paid that compared to a man who was always likely to be in a 5 set 4 hour marathon.
By:
TheMadness
When: 04 Jul 13 17:52
Equality. The most dangerous idea of the 20th century.
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 17:52
the women have said countless times that they would play 5 sets

slams would have to last 3 weeks though

I'd be happy with a 1R-4R being BO3 both sides then QF-F being bo5.
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 17:53
you are paid for winning matches, not how long you are on court

a tennis match doesn't last a specific amount of time

hth
By:
Patb
When: 04 Jul 13 17:53
can you imagine in athletics where the men run 10,000 meters and the ladies run 8,000? or having a shorter marathon for the ladies? it is utterly bonkers and the men should stand up for themselves rather than be such PC wooses!
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 17:54
if we're gonna pay by popularity btw, let's just give Maria, Serena, Fed, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray 95% of the cash and **** everyone else Cool
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 17:54

Jul 4, 2013 -- 5:53PM, Patb wrote:


can you imagine in athletics where the men run 10,000 meters and the ladies run 8,000? or having a shorter marathon for the ladies? it is utterly bonkers and the men should stand up for themselves rather than be such PC wooses!


the women have said countless times that they would play 5 sets

By:
Injera
When: 04 Jul 13 17:55
It's positive discrimination which at best has worthy intent and at worst is very patronizing.

For a woman player to accept the same amount for winning Wimbers as a bloke and not be embarrassed shocks me.

Lower standard, shorter matches. It's not a sexist view, just a fact.

Patb - they could ask the women to play 5 sets and have Grand Slams played over 3 weeks. The hosts would love it as it would bring in more dosh. Would the women accept it?
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 17:56
ATP just lucky they are in a GOAT era, but when the big 4 are gone who is gonna be there to carry it on Shocked
By:
alun2005
When: 04 Jul 13 17:56
Flip City trousered a handsome 400k for her lame SF exit today
By:
Injera
When: 04 Jul 13 17:57
Apologies aaronh, posts crossed. So they would accept it? Interesting.

Still not the same standard though Silly
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 17:58

Jul 4, 2013 -- 5:56PM, alun2005 wrote:


Flip City trousered a handsome 400k for her lame SF exit today


Novak Djokovic (SRB) [1]
def.
David Ferrer (ESP) [4]     6-2 6-2 6-1

Australian Open 2013

By:
Patb
When: 04 Jul 13 17:59
if the ladies wanted equality, then their right to play matches of equal length to the men would be as big an issue as equal pay. I dont see the WTA making a massive issue and I have never heard one WTA player complaining at a press conference or similar that they demand equality of conditions. It is clearly not that important, the posturing for equality was all about cash and nothing else
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 18:00
are you suggesting they should demand to play 5 sets
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 18:01
tbh, mens or womens tennis.

does anyone other than tennis hardcore fans really want to or have the time to watch 5 sets over 4 and a half hours fully?
By:
TheMadness
When: 04 Jul 13 18:01
Yeah, if they want to be thought of as equal. And even then, they shouldn't get as much as the men.
By:
Patb
When: 04 Jul 13 18:01
come to think of it, are there any other racket sports out there where the ladies play a shorter game than the men?
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 18:03
it's in the slams hands if they want to take them up on that offer
By:
aston
When: 04 Jul 13 18:04
As it is the women have an opportunity to make more money as they can play in the doubles as well.  I think they should make the women play 5 set matches and scrap the rest day on middle sunday(which is absurd) which will make up the extra time you need in the schedule. That way we get to see more tennis especially on the second tuesday, thursday and saturday
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 18:04
And even then, they shouldn't get as much as the men.

why is that

did anyone see C1 about 20% full for Janowicz vs Kubot Wink
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 18:04

Jul 4, 2013 -- 6:04PM, aston wrote:


As it is the women have an opportunity to make more money as they can play in the doubles as well.

By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 18:05
Cry the fact that they play 5 sets mens doubles is stupid and needs to be changed at Wimbledon anyway
By:
yyyy
When: 04 Jul 13 18:06
MAKE WOMEN play best of 5 in GS

There's no such a thing as "fair" thing. Pure invention by losers.
FAIR to who? Do you pay them? I don't. If someone wants to throw the money away, I'd let them do it. As long as it's not my money! Laugh

Women play on lower level than men do, for sure. That's because the nature of the sport.  It has nothing to do with payment.
What I suggest is: MAKE WOMEN play best of 5 in GS. Period.
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 18:07
besides the whole womens can play doubles argument too isn't as relevant as some make it out. Serena plays dubs occasionally, Errani, Vinci and Petrova the only ones who are regular doubles players from what I remember in top 20
By:
TheMadness
When: 04 Jul 13 18:11
"why is that"

Because they're just piggy backing on the interest Federer and Nadal and other men have brought to the game
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 18:12
Laugh
By:
aaronh
When: 04 Jul 13 18:12

Jul 4, 2013 -- 5:50PM, aaronh wrote:


the women were paid less when the WTA was more popular and ATP was in a mug era pre-Fed


^^

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