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If they're not, Jimmy, they're doing something drastically wrong!
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Maybe they're not. Aren't the Scandis on a flat rate charge to seed the tennis markets, so I doubt they are. The horse racing chumps certainly will be.
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So many questions and so few answers...I love it!
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Adapt your strategies and stop worrying what others are doing...you'll do still do well.
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jimmy why wouldn't they if overall commissions are down because in-play liquidity is down? Same reason a bookie will suspend or restrict you if you are costing them money. This account may make them money but if a lot of others aren't active as a result it could affect overall liquidity/commissions. It doesn't appear that their commissions are down here though, I think you can take that from the fact that they've done nothing about it. You can still make money but perhaps less than normal and using a different strategy. Adapt and change, agreed.
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I'm actually not too fussed about this as I don't do a whole lot of in play betting.
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RMB, Lurka what happened with the Perform stream inquiries at the end of last year? Interested to see just how quick it is
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Don, I didn't go any further with it. i'd be raging if i had for this event!
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Raging in what way?
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Don if you look at when the bets are cancelled (in a normal event with no big money courtsider, not this event), you can get a fair idea of how quick it is. about 1.5-2 secs quicker
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well i'd have paid £700 but wouldn't really have any advantage due to the big courtsider beating me every time
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coursider v perform pics for this event is like perform pics v normal feed for a normal event. £700 for nothing really
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True, you could still eak money out of it. It just depends exactly how quick it is, someone mentioned many of the feeds are the same speed as sky but then how can they charge so much if that's the case
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bf standard video is 6.5 secs ahead of sky for tsonga match. i am on cable, may be quicker with a sky dish but not more than 1-2 secs i'd say. sky get their pics from perform too i'd imagine but have to buffer them a bit to ensure quality and then bounce them off a satellite
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Sky is just over 3 seconds behind stream
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are u on a dish?
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Yep
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no-one was arrested because no crime was being committed.
they were removed from the event for violating its T and Cs. I know that thats why i said its not illegal, was making the point that there is more than one person courtsiding if u read my previous post ![]() |
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DonNo1 16 Apr 13 14:13
RMB, Lurka what happened with the Perform stream inquiries at the end of last year? Interested to see just how quick it is Lurka well i'd have paid £700 but wouldn't really have any advantage due to the big courtsider beating me every time _________ i seen the perform pics last year they were 4.5secs ahead of sky sky seems to be more delayed since then they were 5k a month for 4 streams not 700 so the cheapest you could have had is 1250 a month between 4 of you the darts were the best pics 4.5s ahead of sky betfair had a 3 secs delay |
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How did you get to view them Gerbs if you don't mind me asking?
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a 2 week trial
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I asked for a trial period Don to check it out (just 3 days) but they didn't get back to me. Seems they offered Gerbs one for 2 weeks! 1250pm is a lot to cover and that's post-PC.
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the info i got from them was 7k a month for 10 user licence, so 700 each but you need to have 10 people willing to pay every month. that covers worldwide events. 6k/5k for europe/asian sports only or something like that.
TV will always be slower than standard live video. with perform pics you are getting the pics at the same time as bf (and sky i'd imagine) does, bf just has to rehost them thru its site, sky has to rebroadcast them, hence the delay |
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that was the cheapest per head, there was a cheaper option for 4-5 users too i think, prob about 1250 each
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RMB
2 weeks was the normal trial that a few got a couple of years ago it took me 6 months to get mine |
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correct lurka
but would be impossible to get 10 to pay every month up front and the fee has to come from one account the 5k was for europe/ asian but it also included all the tennis worldwide i was asked to join a syndicate by someone who already had another 2 with him he went to a lot of trouble setting up a lawyer to get a contract together for 4 of us to sign indicating we would pay it for 12 months minimum and 2 months up front then he was informed that they would no longer be offering pictures to individuals that did not have a gambling licence and the other syndicates that were running would not be renewed when there contract was up as there was too much talk on forums about it it was also mentioned that the syndicates that were already in place were not happy at them allowing anyone else to join i have been told the old crew from the tennis forum who never post now since PC have got the pics (and its 1.01 they were the ones squeeling about anyone else getting in on it ) most old timers can guess who they are 1.01 they still have them |
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TV will always be slower than standard live video. with perform pics you are getting the pics at the same time as bf (and sky i'd imagine) does, bf just has to rehost them thru its site, sky has to rebroadcast them, hence the delay
I presume they get issued with two feeds, a live one and a delayed one and they rehost the delayed one. Can't be much of a delay rehosting it and if you compare betfair with 365etc they're all the same speed. I presume betfair has the world license but then why does 365 often stream events bf doesn't... |
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maybe don, but the fast pics are only about 1.5-2 secs ahead, no need to delay feed, that is enough and any further delay would make it like we are seeing at the masters events. i think the feed delay is the problem!
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yep the problem is that the stream/feed is delayed at origin by purpose, so all the pics tv sat or pc are suffering of that delay.
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ive never agreed with a 5 sec betting delay, it reduces liquidity and price discovery.
if there is to be a delay it should be 2seconds max. the price movements from those at courtside tell you which player has won the point, which is often faster than the live tv feed |
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i think no delay would massively decrease in-play liquidity in tennis, all the 1000s stacked at least 5 ticks either side of the current price would not be there with no delay, but i suppose most of that money never gets matched in any event
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good thread
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i just checked the website of perform and they dont have information on the price of a subscription to their video streaming and stat sites. does anyone know what the price is for video feed product (watch and trade)?
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never been worse than at Rome this week imo
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Liquidity seems shot to pieces at the moment too. Perhaps the two are linked.
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Has anyone compared the time delay between B365 and BF feeds? Because my hunch is that BF streams are getting slower - across a variety of sports.
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have the two open for nadal Darlo and bf is v slightly ahead, but that may have to do with which one is opened earlier as there may be buffering after a few seconds, so don't think it's slower. There is no live vid link on the new site that i can see, so you have to go to old site. Might ask them to put a link in the yellow banner on new site
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I've asked. Three or four times. The first time was in April, and I've asked again today. They say - and have said before - that they're going to put it back. But it's still not there despite vanishing when the previous Cash Race started last month.
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And on an aside, the Nadal stream is way behind the market. The market perhaps reacts two shots before the end of a rally - maybe even more.
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yes as usual for m1000 or perhaps even slower than ever as i said above, but 365 is the same
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