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By:
Latalomne
When: 16 Apr 13 12:40
If they're not, Jimmy, they're doing something drastically wrong!
By:
RMB ©
When: 16 Apr 13 12:40
Maybe they're not. Aren't the Scandis on a flat rate charge to seed the tennis markets, so I doubt they are. The horse racing chumps certainly will be.
By:
jimmy69
When: 16 Apr 13 12:42
So many questions and so few answers...I love it!
By:
jimmy69
When: 16 Apr 13 12:45
Adapt your strategies and stop worrying what others are doing...you'll do still do well.
By:
lurka
When: 16 Apr 13 12:56
jimmy why wouldn't they if overall commissions are down because in-play liquidity is down? Same reason a bookie will suspend or restrict you if you are costing them money. This account may make them money but if a lot of others aren't active as a result it could affect overall liquidity/commissions. It doesn't appear that their commissions are down here though, I think you can take that from the fact that they've done nothing about it. You can still make money but perhaps less than normal and using a different strategy. Adapt and change, agreed.
By:
jimmy69
When: 16 Apr 13 13:00
I'm actually not too fussed about this as I don't do a whole lot of in play betting.
By:
DonNo1
When: 16 Apr 13 14:13
RMB, Lurka what happened with the Perform stream inquiries at the end of last year? Interested to see just how quick it is
By:
lurka
When: 16 Apr 13 14:16
Don, I didn't go any further with it. i'd be raging if i had for this event!
By:
DonNo1
When: 16 Apr 13 14:19
Raging in what way?
By:
lurka
When: 16 Apr 13 14:19
Don if you look at when the bets are cancelled (in a normal event with no big money courtsider, not this event), you can get a fair idea of how quick it is. about 1.5-2 secs quicker
By:
lurka
When: 16 Apr 13 14:20
well i'd have paid £700 but wouldn't really have any advantage due to the big courtsider beating me every time
By:
lurka
When: 16 Apr 13 14:21
coursider v perform pics for this event is like perform pics v normal feed for a normal event. £700 for nothing really
By:
DonNo1
When: 16 Apr 13 14:22
True, you could still eak money out of it.  It just depends exactly how quick it is, someone mentioned many of the feeds are the same speed as sky but then how can they charge so much if that's the case
By:
lurka
When: 16 Apr 13 14:25
bf standard video is 6.5 secs ahead of sky for tsonga match. i am on cable, may be quicker with a sky dish but not more than 1-2 secs i'd say. sky get their pics from perform too i'd imagine but have to buffer them a bit to ensure quality and then bounce them off a satellite
By:
DonNo1
When: 16 Apr 13 14:28
Sky is just over 3 seconds behind stream
By:
lurka
When: 16 Apr 13 14:29
are u on a dish?
By:
DonNo1
When: 16 Apr 13 14:29
Yep
By:
AyersRock
When: 16 Apr 13 16:48
no-one was arrested because no crime was being committed.

they were removed from the event for violating its T and Cs.



I know that thats why i said its not illegal, was making the point that there is more than one person courtsiding if u read my previous post Grin
By:
Gerbs
When: 16 Apr 13 17:19
DonNo1     16 Apr 13 14:13 
RMB, Lurka what happened with the Perform stream inquiries at the end of last year? Interested to see just how quick it is

  Lurka
well i'd have paid £700 but wouldn't really have any advantage due to the big courtsider beating me every time

_________
i seen the perform pics last year  they were 4.5secs ahead of sky
sky seems to be more delayed since then


they were 5k a month for 4 streams not 700

so the cheapest you could have had is 1250 a month between 4 of you

the darts were the best pics 4.5s ahead of sky betfair had a 3 secs delay
By:
DonNo1
When: 16 Apr 13 17:45
How did you get to view them Gerbs if you don't mind me asking?
By:
Gerbs
When: 16 Apr 13 18:58
a 2 week trial
By:
RMB ©
When: 16 Apr 13 19:23
I asked for a trial period Don to check it out (just 3 days) but they didn't get back to me. Seems they offered Gerbs one for 2 weeks! 1250pm is a lot to cover and that's post-PC.
By:
lurka
When: 16 Apr 13 20:15
the info i got from them was 7k a month for 10 user licence, so 700 each but you need to have 10 people willing to pay every month. that covers worldwide events. 6k/5k for europe/asian sports only or something like that.

TV will always be slower than standard live video. with perform pics you are getting the pics at the same time as bf (and sky i'd imagine) does, bf just has to rehost them thru its site, sky has to rebroadcast them, hence the delay
By:
lurka
When: 16 Apr 13 20:20
that was the cheapest per head, there was a cheaper option for 4-5 users too i think, prob about 1250 each
By:
Gerbs
When: 16 Apr 13 21:20
RMB

2 weeks was the normal trial that a few  got a couple of years ago it took me 6 months to get mine
By:
Gerbs
When: 16 Apr 13 21:24
correct lurka

but would be impossible to get  10 to pay every month up front and the fee has to come from one account

the 5k was for europe/ asian  but it also included all the tennis worldwide


i was asked to join a syndicate by someone who already had another 2 with him  he went to a lot of trouble setting up a lawyer to get a contract together for 4 of us to sign indicating we would pay it for 12 months minimum and 2 months up front
then he was informed that they would no longer be offering pictures to individuals that did not have a gambling licence and the other syndicates that were running would not be renewed when there contract was up as there was too much talk on forums about it
it was also mentioned that the syndicates that were already in place were not happy at them allowing anyone else to join

i have been told the old crew from the tennis forum who never post now since PC have got the pics  (and its 1.01 they were the ones squeeling about anyone else getting in on it )

most old timers can guess who they are


1.01 they still have them
By:
DonNo1
When: 17 Apr 13 00:30
TV will always be slower than standard live video. with perform pics you are getting the pics at the same time as bf (and sky i'd imagine) does, bf just has to rehost them thru its site, sky has to rebroadcast them, hence the delay


I presume they get issued with two feeds, a live one and a delayed one and they rehost the delayed one.  Can't be much of a delay rehosting it and if you compare betfair with 365etc they're all the same speed.

I presume betfair has the world license but then why does 365 often stream events bf doesn't...
By:
lurka
When: 17 Apr 13 13:49
maybe don, but the fast pics are only about 1.5-2 secs ahead, no need to delay feed, that is enough and any further delay would make it like we are seeing at the masters events. i think the feed delay is the problem!
By:
CaliforniaHereWeCome.
When: 17 Apr 13 20:06
yep the problem is that the stream/feed is delayed at origin by purpose, so all the pics tv sat or pc are suffering of that delay.
By:
baker1975
When: 17 Apr 13 22:31
ive never agreed with a 5 sec betting delay, it reduces liquidity and price discovery.
if there is  to be a delay it should be 2seconds max.
the price movements from those at courtside tell you which player has won the point, which is often faster than the live tv feed
By:
lurka
When: 17 Apr 13 23:19
i think no delay would massively decrease in-play liquidity in tennis, all the 1000s stacked at least 5 ticks either side of the current price would not be there with no delay, but i suppose most of that money never gets matched in any event
By:
henok
When: 16 Jul 13 08:31
good thread
By:
henok
When: 16 Jul 13 08:36
i just checked the website of perform and they dont have information on the price of a subscription to their video streaming and stat sites. does anyone know what the price is for video feed  product (watch and trade)?
By:
lurka
When: 12 May 14 13:56
never been worse than at Rome this week imo
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 14 May 14 16:45
Liquidity seems shot to pieces at the moment too. Perhaps the two are linked.
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 14 May 14 16:49
Has anyone compared the time delay between B365 and BF feeds? Because my hunch is that BF streams are getting slower - across a variety of sports.
By:
lurka
When: 14 May 14 21:43
have the two open for nadal Darlo and bf is v slightly ahead, but that may have to do with which one is opened earlier as there may be buffering after a few seconds, so don't think it's slower. There is no live vid link on the new site that i can see, so you have to go to old site. Might ask them to put a link in the yellow banner on new site
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 14 May 14 21:51
I've asked. Three or four times. The first time was in April, and I've asked again today. They say - and have said before - that they're going to put it back. But it's still not there despite vanishing when the previous Cash Race started last month.
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 14 May 14 21:56
And on an aside, the Nadal stream is way behind the market. The market perhaps reacts two shots before the end of a rally - maybe even more.
By:
lurka
When: 14 May 14 23:32
yes as usual for m1000 or perhaps even slower than ever as i said above, but 365 is the same
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