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With the pivotal XF weekend upon us, who’s in the running for Christmas Number One?

Will another charity single triumph? Return to form for the XF? A current chart star? A randomer like Cruz Beckham?

Take a look at the existing runners & riders here:

http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/xmas-number-one-odds-1903064
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Report carpet1 December 10, 2016 9:41 PM GMT
honey g
ffs
Report againstthecrowd December 13, 2016 11:30 AM GMT
Matt Terry looks a bit weak on market , nobody seems to know likely winner though ..

Any views ?
Report bearcub December 13, 2016 1:42 PM GMT
Louis Love
Report bearcub December 13, 2016 3:54 PM GMT
Clean Bandit still ahead on combined sales

7.5K ahead of Louis

who is 4k ahead of matt
Report Tom_Ato December 13, 2016 5:00 PM GMT
Reckon Friends of Jo Cox will get a big push when it is released next week. Emotion mixed with Christmas spirit and goodwill is a powerful combination.

Talking of emotion and Christmas spirit I cry every Christmas after downing a bottle of vodka, while asking myself why I'm still alone.
Report Tom_Ato December 13, 2016 5:02 PM GMT
Does anyone have room at the table for a little one?
Report Tom_Ato December 13, 2016 5:07 PM GMT
*** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKcr1bZMV5s ***
Report Cider December 13, 2016 7:12 PM GMT
In this sales climate, you really need someone behind the campaign pushing hard, with lots media appearances and heavy sm presence.

FOJC seems to totally lack for this, unless it's passed me by.
Report mach December 13, 2016 11:12 PM GMT
FOJC, it's not a stand out charity imo(there are many competing for N.1) or much of a xmas song, no campaign
if you search youtube you get nothing, on facebook you get the song and a few posts with about ten like each
Report bearcub December 13, 2016 11:43 PM GMT
Daily Mail has done an article on FoJC
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4026592/VAT-raised-Jo-Cox-charity-single-donated-foundation.html

Clicked on the link for the twitter page and it had 14 followers Cry

And Jot was 1 of them Laugh


The only place you can buy a physical copy is to order from

http://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/friends-of-jo-cox?referrer=happening

And it's £5  Sad


Worst run campaign since mach fancied his chances of FOTY 2015 Cool
Report Tom_Ato December 14, 2016 1:08 AM GMT
The BBC are a Friend of Jo Cox:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-38293156

Wonder if they'll push it on Radio 2. Looking at the other contenders and how they are downloading/streaming I think FOJC could do it even with a late and average campaign.

When you factor in the mighty trio of David gray, KT Tunstall and Ricky Wilson it becomes apparent that this is over! Everyone else is TOAST! Merry Christmas you filthy animals, enjoy your Bernard Matthews turkey dinosaurs!
Report mach December 14, 2016 1:21 AM GMT
I would be very surprised if it makes top 10 in the chart

I'm sorry that I can't invite you to xmas dinner Tom, I have been unable to source any bernard matthews  turkey products for the event
probably best for you, I have a temper and always feel the need to stab someone when they say retarded sh1t Blush I think it could be passed off as a altruistic act for the benefit of mankindCool
Report Tom_Ato December 14, 2016 1:31 AM GMT
you need to go Iceland mach, they sell turkey dinosaurs, turkey drummers, turkey ham, turkey christmas pudding and turkey eggnog.

It'll be fine mach, i don't talk much while i'm eating. what time shall i come round?
Report Tom_Ato December 14, 2016 1:34 AM GMT
what is your postcode?
Report bearcub December 14, 2016 8:30 AM GMT
I could probably find it for you Tom if he blanks you Wink
Report Tom_Ato December 14, 2016 12:32 PM GMT
thanks bear, inbox me.

Hey mach, will the potatoes be roasted in goose fat? I sure hope so!
Report Tom_Ato December 14, 2016 1:40 PM GMT
Theresa May has spoken Crazy
Report mach December 14, 2016 2:09 PM GMT
Corbyn too
Report Cider December 14, 2016 7:41 PM GMT
At least they're parliamentarians and not marketeers Plain
Report mach December 15, 2016 10:08 AM GMT
Tom, Bear is going to have you round for xmas dinner Cool
He has been unable to get turkey dinosaurs, so he has prepared some Turkey joints in the shape of bearsCrazy hope you enjoy your meal, don't be put of by his Silence of the lambs type face mask, it's for your protection Scared


Be wary of any turkey desert he might offer you, one slip of the tongue and you will be in the sh1tShocked
Report the whizz kids December 15, 2016 11:53 AM GMT
LaughLaughLaugh Massive move on FOJC in the last 24 hrs. I've missed the bigger price but managed to get a fair bit done at 2.39. No doubt the BBC will give this a big push over the next week so maybe backing at 2.39 could be value.
Report mach December 15, 2016 12:22 PM GMT
the only thing that the FOJC single has going for it, is none of the other songs have any momentum
the problem is the FOJC single has even less interest from the public and no momentum what so ever.
Report the whizz kids December 15, 2016 1:18 PM GMT
Very strange why Ricky, KT and Gray have not promoted the single on any of their twitter pages????
Why, because they will push the fck out of it once released it give it its best chance of selling in numbers.
Ricky also works for Xfm which will also boost sales for sure and the BBC will not want the X factor song at No1.
Report mach December 15, 2016 1:25 PM GMT
ok, I guess you could take a little better than even money betting on something that there is no evidence is going to happen in the hope that it does, and then is successful Plain
Report the whizz kids December 15, 2016 1:32 PM GMT
The push will come tomorrow.Wink
Report CLYDEBANK29 December 15, 2016 1:35 PM GMT
There probably isn't a great correlation between people who download music and interest in politics.  No YT video, the politicians have serious day jobs to occupy them, so you are taking a stab that from nowhere, the song can suddenly gain huge interest. 

I listened to Prime Ministers Questions live on the radio yesterday which piqued my interest when FOJC was 3/1, but I could find nothing to give me any confidence to persuade me to back it.  Not a market I've bet on for several years but I've dutched a small interest on Clean Bandit and The RagNBone Man hoping that the potential challengers are hot air and don't amount to much.
Report the whizz kids December 15, 2016 1:36 PM GMT
Think about it, why would those 3 make a song for charity and then not bother to promote it?
Report CLYDEBANK29 December 15, 2016 1:51 PM GMT
Just another political balls up.  It strikes me as a campaign where no one is really bothered and hoping that someone else will run with it.
Report timbuctooth December 15, 2016 2:07 PM GMT
Sorry, whizz, I`m with mach and CB. Charity singles are fantastic, IF the charitable cause pulls at the heartstrings of the nation`s housewives. May sound callous, but I suspect half the chav MEMs have barely an idea who Jo Cox was, and the Defence of Democracy isn`t something that will inspire them. Last year perhaps the most easily identifiable cauee of all, the NHS only just got home in the end, and that was with 1.7 million staff, Chris Evans, and even their main rial, Bieber, telling his fans to help the NHS get the Christmas No1 spot. None of this is happening yet for FoJC, the campaign might get going tomorrow, but I`m doubting the cause is resonant enough with buyers. My humble (and unsolicited!)advice? Take a small profit now, plenty of time to get back on it at bigger prices if so inclined. Max red, for me.
Report the whizz kids December 15, 2016 2:24 PM GMT
If the push doesn't come tomorrow then it's a very poor show indeed trying to promote charity especially with Wilson and the PMs involved. I'm happy to hold out as I can't see much else in the race.
Report mach December 15, 2016 4:36 PM GMT
Saturn 5 Excited
Report Tom_Ato December 15, 2016 8:58 PM GMT
mach, that turkey bear looks delicious, I recommend bearcub to poached it in a water bath overnight then deep fry it for 10 minutes to make all that lovely skin nice and crispy.

ps what is his postcode?
Report mach December 15, 2016 9:06 PM GMT
I'll DM it to you.Excited
Report timbuctooth December 15, 2016 9:45 PM GMT
SW1A 1AA

And, his business;

NR9 5QD
Report Tom_Ato December 15, 2016 10:26 PM GMT
SW1A?

So he is from South Weezy. Interesting...
Report timbuctooth December 16, 2016 12:59 AM GMT
FoJC odds on? The real war hasn`t even started until tomorrow, and we don`t even know if they`re really going to be in the game at all, let alone be a front runner. Laid a bit at 1.9, madness.
Report the whizz kids December 16, 2016 1:22 AM GMT
I've backed 6% of the total market value and not a penny at odds on.WinkWink
Report CLYDEBANK29 December 16, 2016 9:57 AM GMT
Do Shazam and Deezer count towards the charts?
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 December 16, 2016 9:34 PM GMT
For what it's worth i think Bradley Lowrie campaign will really take off. 8/1 earlier on with one online firm has been steadily shortening on here will only require one high profile celebrity to get behind this one and it will be all over!
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 December 16, 2016 9:37 PM GMT
The single is called

OUR SUPERHERO (A Christmas Wish) by an unknown vocalist/guitarist duo from Hartlepool.

The campaign has already saw him score a goal for Sunderland against Chelsea and over 75k (at last count on local news) Xmas cards!!

An endorsement by any celebrity and awareness Neuroglastoma will be all that is required on this one.
Report Froggitt December 16, 2016 9:44 PM GMT
hes on SPOTY on Sunday night
Report bearcub December 16, 2016 9:55 PM GMT
I have been debating on what course of action to take regarding the obscene pictures you have posted of me mach, and also the defamatory statements.

Whilst I understand your disappointment at not being considered for Foty, i feel you have overstepped the mark, and this isn't the first occasion either.

Despite repeated warnings about your conduct, you continue to play to the lowest common denominator, namely Tom.

I therefore have no option but to block you, and submit a report of bullying to Betfair.
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 December 16, 2016 10:43 PM GMT
Well i've done my bit i've tweeted Gary Lineker and Clare Balding with links to the itunes single and facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/LIVnGmusic/?pnref=story

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/our-superhero-christmas-wish/id1180113316?i=1180113402&v0=WWW-EUUK-ITSTOP100-SONGS&l=en&ign-mpt=uo%3D4

If we all do the same and share it i am sure it will happen
Report Cider December 17, 2016 5:19 PM GMT
OCC flash

London Hospices Choir, Rag‘n’Bone Man and Inspiral Carpets lead Christmas Number 1 race after 24 hours

.http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/london-hospices-choir-rag-n-bone-man-and-inspiral-carpets-lead-christmas-number-1-race-after-24-hours__17538/
Report mach December 18, 2016 10:14 PM GMT
The UK Christmas number one race has become a bit of a shocker
(the views in this article may not be the views of the poster)

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/18/the-uk-christmas-number-one-race-has-become-a-...
Report CLYDEBANK29 December 19, 2016 5:44 AM GMT
Article about as useful as a bicycle on The Thames ... and taking any notice will result in the same sinking feeling.
Report CLYDEBANK29 December 19, 2016 6:40 AM GMT
Clean Bandit streamed 4,098 sales on Spotify yesterday.  Then add Deezer, however popular that is. (another 20% of that?) RNBM streamed 1,771.  Hospice will be near zero if not zero and Inspiral Carpets isn't in the top 200, both will be doing well to be top 20 as will that FOJC monstrosity.  The charity kid looks like he won't even be top 40.  Looks to me like Little Mix and Mariah Carey might end up 3 and 4.  If the Bandits are beating their nearest challengers by about 40% after 3 days on my guesstimate that's tough to turn round, even with the benefit of The Rag N Bone Man's track being on SPOTY last night.  By my guesstimate he's got an extra 500 download sales on the night from that, but he's losing 2,500 sales a day to the Bandits on streaming at the moment.  If he gains 20% on streams like he has done on downloads that 2,500 only comes down to 2,000 so he'd still be approx. 1,500 down on the Bandits a day, and he already must be quite a bit behind.
Report Hamsterdam December 19, 2016 11:03 PM GMT
Nobody was going to stream a charity single.....was obvious was always going to be a long time streamer for the number 1 in this case Clean Bandit, with probably the most summery style Xmas number 1 there has been.
Report bearcub December 20, 2016 10:08 AM GMT
Well after timed Hammy Cool
Report CLYDEBANK29 December 20, 2016 10:38 AM GMT
It's good for a decent record to be number 1 for the first time since 2003.  For any old timers, what a market that was!  At that time was easily the biggest win I ever had and then a few months later I got a nice Brucie bonus thanks to IBAS.  Cool.  That market prolly achieved more turnover than every xmas no 1 combined since.  The top 3 market alone possibly hit close to six figures!

My other memory was RATM in 2009.  I had a decent bet on that, but with 2 days to go I thought the figures suggested it had almost no chance and closed out for a loss.  Was sick as a dog when I found out they'd won.  Had tipped a couple of people to back it beforehand and they were thanking me just to rub it in. Sad  Never got involved in the market again in any serious way.
Report CLYDEBANK29 December 20, 2016 10:53 AM GMT
2005 I was tipped up the JCB song by Nizlopi.  Saw the video and just loved it.  I had a decent investment at 16/1.  At that time it was unclear if XF was going to launch a xmas song.  We'd looked at the dates and it looked like the final would be too late.  Recall you could back it at 3/1! at some point.  They ended up releasing the song on the Wednesday and Shayne Ward sold someat like 700,000 copies in 4 days!!  JCB song was a clear second.
Report Mr Ed December 20, 2016 10:53 AM GMT
Your input is always appreciated
Report CLYDEBANK29 December 20, 2016 11:44 AM GMT
Cheers Mr Ed.  Recall you first ever exchange bet was on Will Young.

Another one of my old gambling stories.  October 2005 I was given a free £10 Exacta bet on The Cesarewitch by the Tote, which was nice considering it was a restricted account that I'd virtually stopped using. I stuck in on Contact Dancer who was about a 20/1-25/1 shot on morning prices to beat Mr Ed who was about 10/1.  When it won I thought I might get close to 300/1, as I thought a relative outsider to beat a fave might get a decent divided, albeit that Mr Ed was a very consistent horse that always seemed to get placed.  Almost felt like a loss when it paid 130/1 (from memory). 

About 2/3 weeks later had probably my biggest ever losing day.  I was trading this horse when I got a phone call, and I got chatting away and forgot all about the trade and then suddenly noticed I'd just lost a grand.  It put me on tilt and I started chasing.  There as an 8/9 runner race on soon after that very much had an ew feel about it, although actually wasn't really an ew thieving race, but I'd lost my composure so I backed 3 of them each way.  The race was won by about 6 lengths by the 66/1 rag Orcadian and none of my bets even placed, so I smashed into a favourite somewhere that got stuffed, before eventually regaining my composure.  That evening was the very first XF and having regained my composure I was on Roberta to be first evicted who was approximately a 10/1 poke on here.  Then, because I think it involved a sing off, rather than just a public vote like Pop Idol, my winnings were voided.  What a shocker!
Report Mr Ed December 20, 2016 12:12 PM GMT
Well remembered about Will Young btw.
I used to do those type of tote bets years ago.... hoping for huge odds.
I also had my worst ever day through a trade I forgot about and then just chased my money with no real plan and within an hour had lost about £8k..... first bet only cost me 400 as well. Luckily I couldnt get more money into my account or it might have been a lot worse.
Report Mr Ed December 20, 2016 1:01 PM GMT
Anyone have any updated figures?

Or is that it until Friday?
Report CLYDEBANK29 December 20, 2016 6:55 PM GMT
someone posted that Clean Bandit are on 29k on Buzzjack Mr Ed which makes sense.  That'll be 4 days downloads and 3 days streams.  The Official charts indicated it's downloads are approximately £3k a day so that's 12k of that 29k, which indicates that it's streaming 5.5k a day. 8.5k a day is 59.5k projection for the week, but I imagine more songs are streamed and downloaded at weekends so that's probably a bit high so my guess would be 58k...55k at worst.  That also indicates that streams outside of Spotify like Deezer account for something like another 35% of streaming sales.  Rag N bone Man must be in the region of 8k down on CB once you add on an extra days streaming 

The Dave Clark 5 song is a Rangers fc football chant for their striker Joe Garner.  I'm very surprised it's doing so well from nowhere considering other similar campaign and charity efforts have done so badly, but even though it's done so well it still needs to do substantially better
Report anubis7 December 21, 2016 12:08 AM GMT
Looks like Clean Bandit then but why is Little Mix's price as high as 80 when they have jumped from no.23 to no.3 on the midweek chart?
Report mach December 24, 2016 7:33 PM GMT
Merry Xmas special peeps Love
Report Froggitt December 25, 2016 2:28 PM GMT

Dec 20, 2016 -- 10:38AM, CLYDEBANK29 wrote:


It's good for a decent record to be number 1 for the first time since 2003.  For any old timers, what a market that was!  At that time was easily the biggest win I ever had and then a few months later I got a nice Brucie bonus thanks to IBAS.  .  That market prolly achieved more turnover than every xmas no 1 combined since.  The top 3 market alone possibly hit close to six figures!My other memory was RATM in 2009.  I had a decent bet on that, but with 2 days to go I thought the figures suggested it had almost no chance and closed out for a loss.  Was sick as a dog when I found out they'd won.  Had tipped a couple of people to back it beforehand and they were thanking me just to rub it in.   Never got involved in the market again in any serious way.


Im guessing that was or wasnt Gary Jules' year CB, depending on who you backed.....

Report CLYDEBANK29 December 25, 2016 11:34 PM GMT
Yeah Gary Jules.  There as a problem with the naming of the act, It wasn't quite exact enough for Betfairs' liking so they voided early bets and reintroduced it.  Personally, I never appealed to IBAS and thought nothing more about it, but someone did, and I found myself £900 richer several months later.
Report CLYDEBANK29 December 25, 2016 11:36 PM GMT
In other news George Michael died today.  Had he died a few days earlier, we might have been looking at Wham's Last Xmas as this years Xmas No. 1
Report attitude adjuster December 26, 2016 12:04 AM GMT
I think the fates have decide that song will never get to no.1 CB

Sold over 1.6 million...the all time best UK seller never to top the charts.


I think Madonna should hide herself for the next 5 days Sad
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