The only HG I believe in after tonight is my Mum. She said all along Rosemary wouldn't win!

tbf to the HG Dizzy it anticipated the Ashley price drop days ago.

And it has been ahead of tvpolls in seeing the changing popularity dynamics.

my IAC book ias now entirely based on them counting the votes wrong and Rosie going back in

But also I think desperately low voting numbers are at work here

I think that jolly hockey sticks thing just wore thin in the end.

By the way if a lot of us on here look to be losing big in the Autumn Treble (potentially anyway) who the feck is winning?

Never seen anyone have a great show like that I go out. Guest I can understand, a bit of a koont at the end of the day

Rosie going tonight goes against everything I know about reality TV, those trying to backwards fit the facts into what happened don't have me convinced.

Rosie in that bath must have brought it all back

I’ve just seen the beginning of last night’s show which I missed at the time. I accept Mach that it is scrabbling to find reasons after the event and may not be solid but:

Rosemary’s spiel at the beginning indicated she was quite a game-player. Her regret was about her own situation. She said that she had tried hard to hold her annoyance with Hugo in (because she thought she’d look bad if she kicked off) and secondly she said that she was sure she was leaving that day because of the row.

Most winners are game-players but they hide it.

And Eric saying "ÿou talk down to people and you shouldn't" was another nail in the coffin.

By the way if a lot of us on here look to be losing big in the Autumn Treble (potentially anyway) who the feck is winning?

GB2 - as an aside, why have you been so dead against DVO from the outset?  I know the rationale behind potential reasons she can't win (already trained dancer, ambitious blonde bombshell etc.), but surely she was always one to have on-side?

It goes back to point about being a percentage player.  I would always far rather cover the obvious candidates (whether a DVO or Jahmene) rather than go into a final with a big red.  But that is why I never make as much as the true gamblers on here of course!

Anyway, I have Charlie and David left as my potential wins on IAC (Ashley a small loss, but jumped on the train half way through in case), all bar UJ for a decent profit in XF and Louis / DVO in SCD (small loss on Kimberley, big red the rest).

IAC is a bit different as it's so fast moving and can change very quickly - but in a long game like XF or SCD you really don't ever need to make a loss...

"I thought it was all good stuff, especially the 'i don't give a toss' bit
Obviously I read that slightly wrong and voters sided with Hugo"

Not such good stuff when "I don't give a toss" = "I'm so competitive I give a huge toss and am deeply disappointed in myself."

I think it could be read both ways GB - and therein lies the problem.  I don't think it was apathy - I agree with Henry, her supporters simply skipped a night due to the argument with Hugo and attitude in the fall out.

A shame as I'm sure she'd have bounced back after a great show last night, particularly towards the end.

You might run up a big red on DVO as you may think she'd be early/mid b2

Did anyone really think that GB?  I'm surprised that seasoned specials punters would think that either DVO or Jahmene wouldn't make semi-finals.  That's not after-timing either, they were always likely candidates to go far even if you didn't fancy them to win.

I know you didn't like potato head from the outset, but once his back story became clear (and that was as early as week 2 iirc) then he was always going to be a contender.

And yes, OC people thought DVO could be a surprise B2

Still can

I think DVO has Strictly in the bag - by far and away the best dancer and I'm not picking up much of the negativity predicted by forumites at the start.

Don't see any reason why Louis should beat her now.

I didn't like Marcus at the start, but he grew on me a lot

Perhaps. But then I never thought Rosemary was the bet of the year at 5/2 either!