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By:
Henry VIII
When: 14 Oct 12 23:38
thanks Grin
By:
Cider
When: 14 Oct 12 23:42
Don't forget the sh1t acts are put through to make average acts look good. Perception or deception?

It was a ridiculous assumption that D3 would be dumped. Faint praise is the way to get rid of people not a mauling from the judges. D3 were supposed to get through and Maloney culled.

It's not unlucky to lose trying to 'buy' money at short odds, just lazy imo. It's just bonkers to play on those tight margins in any case when there's some much value elsewhere on these markets.
By:
Cider
When: 14 Oct 12 23:44
And Mel had very little going for her, apart from Scottishness.
By:
TheFink
When: 14 Oct 12 23:44
D3 surviving doesn't fit any of the normal conspiracy theories about the show imo.
By:
Henry VIII
When: 14 Oct 12 23:46
Someone mentioned something about them front-loading the show.

Could be due to the loss of the SCD overlap. Cowell hated the overlap because many viewers wanted to see both and, as XF was after SCD, most stayed with SCD during the overlap.

Now no overlap but XF finishes late. So they front-load to grab the audience early on before it gets too late. They may not always do that once they’ve built a series following. They’ll be analysing viewing figures throughout the show and modifying their plans accordingly.
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 14 Oct 12 23:46
A forum darling for a while Cider. Not sucked in, but did back her as pimp last night. Think I got most of my money back bailing out asap
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 14 Oct 12 23:47
Worst pimp display ever I think I said last night. No reason to change my opinion tonight
By:
map
When: 14 Oct 12 23:50
Blush
By:
Cider
When: 14 Oct 12 23:51
As I said if they wanted D3 out they wouldn't have got a roasting imv.
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 14 Oct 12 23:52
Prolly, aye. Didn't think they were bad at all
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 14 Oct 12 23:53
They must be narked not to bag Maloney!  With the old voting he'd be back on the ferry by now
By:
Cider
When: 14 Oct 12 23:53
It was GB1 and coming after Ryland didn't help.
By:
Cider
When: 15 Oct 12 00:00
Reading the prods is one thing but it has to be married to the market. No way was the plan for Mel to go but she was a let down. I don't think the prods could have done much more with her.
By:
judorick
When: 15 Oct 12 00:06
yes

coming after Rylan was a death knell, in fact when I watched the show I assumed Rylan was on last...

and subconsciously many others may have also blanked her out

being crap also helped
By:
Henry VIII
When: 15 Oct 12 00:06

Oct 14, 2012 -- 11:32PM, RMB © wrote:


Oct 14, 2012 -- 11:30PM, judorick wrote:that's all very well as an argumentbut as tonights show revealed one of the boybands is not very popular and was in the bottom twothe majority of the girlies have already chosen and they like UJspot on


But that doesn't contradict my argument at all. So it's not "spot on" but just a statement of the obvious.

By:
judorick
When: 15 Oct 12 00:10
Your argument was based on the premise that half the girlies, roughly, would support each boyband and therefore that when one was eliminated the other would not see a rise in votes

My counter to that was that it looks like far more than half the girlies have already picked their side
By:
Henry VIII
When: 15 Oct 12 00:10

Oct 15, 2012 -- 12:00AM, Cider wrote:


Reading the prods is one thing but it has to be married to the market. No way was the plan for Mel to go but she was a let down. I don't think the prods could have done much more with her.


This is true. In the last few hours of voting they work out the likely B2's and who they'd save in each case and give the judges instructions just before they enter.

By:
map
When: 15 Oct 12 00:10

Oct 14, 2012 -- 11:46PM, GeorgeBrush wrote:


A forum darling for a while Cider. Not sucked in, but did back her as pimp last night. Think I got most of my money back bailing out asap


Back who?

By:
map
When: 15 Oct 12 00:11

Oct 14, 2012 -- 11:46PM, Henry VIII wrote:


Someone mentioned something about them front-loading the show. Could be due to the loss of the SCD overlap. Cowell hated the overlap because many viewers wanted to see both and, as XF was after SCD, most stayed with SCD during the overlap. Now no overlap but XF finishes late. So they front-load to grab the audience early on before it gets too late. They may not always do that once they’ve built a series following. They’ll be analysing viewing figures throughout the show and modifying their plans accordingly.


The running order could also have less significance now due to the voting being open from the start - meaning the previous 'pimp slots' offering less of an advantage? look today for example

By:
Henry VIII
When: 15 Oct 12 00:11

Oct 15, 2012 -- 12:10AM, judorick wrote:


Your argument was based on the premise that half the girlies, roughly, would support each boyband and therefore that when one was eliminated the other would not see a rise in votesMy counter to that was that it looks like far more than half the girlies have already picked their side


No. Strong attachments don't build in one week. Tonight most were voting on the performance.

By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 15 Oct 12 00:12
I backed Mel as pimp, then spent her performance and rest of the evening laying anything I could
By:
map
When: 15 Oct 12 00:13
ah
By:
map
When: 15 Oct 12 00:13
what was the full unning order again? scanned this thread and the other and can't see it?
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 15 Oct 12 00:14
The three eggnogs look a little dated. But still mildly surprised they were b2
By:
map
When: 15 Oct 12 00:18
'. There are till a few eliminations till the tour crew is decided. and it was clear melanie would be easy to nobble at any point. it’s all very strange.
melanie died because she was on after rylan. and becaue the line were open people didn’t need to watch till the end to vote. I was talking to a friend right before tonight’s result and she was saying how she completely forget about melanie because she didn’t watch her performe, dislikes ryan and turned the tv right of during his performance….'
By:
map
When: 15 Oct 12 00:18
makes sense - put someone on after an unpopular act and it could help to topple their chances of getting through when people turn off before the annoying act?
By:
Cider
When: 15 Oct 12 00:22
Gary might be the first judge to get a bounce vote next week lol.
By:
map
When: 15 Oct 12 00:25
he only has 1 act left? lol
By:
map
When: 15 Oct 12 00:25
would that really make any difference to the way people vote Cider / the fact he has one left or the fact his act went last week? I wouldnt have thoguht so
By:
Cider
When: 15 Oct 12 00:28
I'd say there will be some narrative about losing two acts already, the shock of Mel going blah blah and he really needs to pull out the stops for his remaining troops. The core audience love Gary so it might generate some votes.
By:
Henry VIII
When: 15 Oct 12 00:30
Give the guy some credit Map, he's got 2 left, and however manipulative they are I don't think they plan on people switching off.
By:
map
When: 15 Oct 12 00:36
Grin
By:
map
When: 15 Oct 12 00:52
As revealed on the Xtra Factor, next week’s theme is due to be Club Classics, which may already be filling Gary with fear. This theme has historically proved rather poor for the Over 25/28’s category. In the last two years, when the week had this theme, 3 out of the 4 acts in the bottom two came from the Overs, with the eliminated act each week also coming from this category:

Series 8, Wk 5 – Kitty (Overs) & Johnny* (Overs)
Series 7, Semi – Mary Byrne* (Overs) & Cher Lloyd (Girls)
*Eliminated -- so next week might not be a good un for old Gary?
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 15 Oct 12 09:02
Don't think any week is gonna be a good un for Gary
By:
LOU MACARIS TARTAN B
When: 15 Oct 12 09:05
That Kye has been poor so far.  Considered one of the better singers and about third or fourth favourite all along he's done nothing at all to shine.  Just mediocre it wouldn't have surprised me if he was bottom 2 last night.  Like most though I think apart from the top 2 in the betting anyone of the others could have been.  I think it's very close 'down there' between the other 10 or 11 acts.
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 15 Oct 12 09:09
Amazed both Baloney and Kye escaped last night (shame for my bets too), but I don't think it'll be long. It'll be quite embarrassing for Gary when Baloney is the last over and he has to pimp him
By:
LOU MACARIS TARTAN B
When: 15 Oct 12 09:15
Like I said George I wouldn't have been amazed all round really bar the top two.  Next week DIST 3 might well make it which leaves another two in trouble.  I think it's very open at the bottom this year with a case being made for just about all of them to go.  If it were me I'd keep Baloney who I think is decent enough rather than a shockingly bad Lucy and MK1.  Up until now though they've both gone nicely through both weeks so could be polling well.  Near the top even?
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 15 Oct 12 09:16
I'm sure Lucy is in the top 4 or 5 at the moment
By:
hemsby
When: 15 Oct 12 09:20
No reason to spoil that post by adding the ATM part.
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 15 Oct 12 09:31
Laugh
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