new zealand v england

Special NZ law number 14:

If a player realises his tryline is under serious threat and decides to blatantly cheat to prevent a try, it's a pen but not a yellow card.

owens is a good ref but todays effort is not even belwo average

that should be a card, so blatant, kill ball give up 3 but no way you get 5. i'm sick of seeing that from the AB's

Typical England mugs whinging about everything

hes a good ref when england arent involved

well done, travesty if he'd missed that.
half the gamble worked, they didn't get a yellow

Have we ever seen a tryless NZ match?

Typical England mugs wringing about everything

...........shut up you dik!!!!

And NZ kick, and NZ kick, and NZ kick....

if this goes over the draw will be close to odds on. Who would have thought.

from the moment nonu evaded a yellow in first two mins the ref calls have been disticntly home biased

IT won't be anywhere near odds on this far out

long time until odds on the draw tyco

ref will go over for a try in the last minute

5/1 on the draw now. Fair old move from the 100s+ pre-match.

yeah I know thevis... was using the english language roomily. But the movement is amazing

RugbyMan • June 7, 2014 10:01 AM BST
Have we ever seen a tryless NZ match?

1964
scotland 0 NZ 0

that must have been a cracker, i'm guessing it was raining and a bit windy

All Blacks haven't turned up and you's still wont beat them

Yarde gets a yellow.  Surprise,

haha you could not make it up

exact same offence by yarde as committed by n on own line yet he gives them another play, a pen and a yellow

Special NZ law number 9:

When an opponent blatantly cheats to save a try, much further out than the NZ player, it's a yellow card.

that is ******* biased referreeing

Just like your cricket team 10% of your players are actually English

I have no problem with Yarde getting a yellow there, but it's a disgrace to give him one when NZ avoided it earlier. Owens has been crap.

like i said earlier even good refs get blinded by those black shirts

agree 100% - both shoudl have yellow both should have had advantage

where u from cheltenhamroar?

draw still very much worth a go now

He's Irish. And we know the Irish have a great record against NZ....

Can only be Scots, can't he?

if ever owens is officiating in a club or country match where an english team are involved,give the other side at least an extra 6 pts for handicap betting.

and irish sports teams have never been known to field non-Irishmen. Never. Apart from all the time

England looking very tired this past 10 minutes.

that called Multiculturalism CheltenhamRoar's coming you way soon

whatever happens,england have been excellent & easily the better side.

irish eh,seems a very bitter man/woman

i just cant see how owens could blow so early and not give yellow in that incident on nz line. its no like he could have missed it as he gave a pen

chucking it down here in epsom

cmon cips

justice

finally finally finally owens sports the obvious

again that is blatant cheating, why no card???

Wrong coloured shirt

I don't think so northanlite. That's a pen, but nothing more. Difference in interpretation rather than players knowing exactly what they are doing, like earlier.

lovely

You sitting on it Vis, or dripping it back?

Draw would be about fair. Neither team looked particularly likely to score a try, or at least create a try, maybe bundling over from a mistake was possible at times. NZ riding their luck, but England not quite enough cutting edge.

Owens to win it for NZ though.

drip a little bit but like to let these run mostly - though haven't landed one in ages and typically was in the pub last Sat for the aviva

Yup.

Almost fooled the whole english team there

hey rm there was no way he could have stayed on his feet flying in like that. unless the pen was for something other than i saw it was not possible to play the ball

Try or not, that was a shocking decision surely?

what aan idiotic move by NZ

fair play NZ if they have got this over

short

has to be short on that view

hanson must be spitting blood

I don't know, looked like he might have gotten it over

deffo no try

I think they would claim that they were trying to ruck over the ball northanlite. Either way, there's been 2 obvious, 3 actually with Nonu's one, yellow cards and only the England one was given.

what question has he asked?

Just dumb by NZ. Can't see the upside to that call unless they think Barrett can't hit a cow's arse.

Draw layers on suicide watch

Get in

damn and blast

Shame.

great game

may never had a prayer out there on his own

Nice kick

Eng been superb last 3 times v NZ

i know the valiant loser thing is very dull but england really were valiant losers there. we had every reason to think they would get blown away

Shame to lose it like that, so close to the end. England certainly haven't had the rub at all with ridiculous knock-on and yellow card decisions from Owens. Can't get much closer without getting a result.

id like to see the assessors report of owens for this match

what a game. Did a bit of dough but that was an epic test.

great game

how did my over 5.5 tries get on?
must have been close

that wasn't great from the all blacks and comes hot on the heels of their under 20's getting absolutely pumped yesterday.

Nigel Owens was the difference.

Gonna be interesting to see what they make the Handicap for next weekends game

what a patronising interview with robshaw who was the motm imo. i know we are all supposed to revere the all blacks but since the travesty of the last world cup final i'm getting a bit sick of their cynical play overshadowing the undoubted brilliance they show at times

Nothing to revere about that performance. NZ were very average, kicked away everything, and kept getting decisions. Could be a different story next week, they are world number 1 for a reason, but it would be nice to hear it said that they were average and lucky when they are average and lucky.

i seem to remember ireland pushing them all the way a couple of years back then getting spanked so caution advised but for a scratch England side that was very impressive

Is it the black shirts that make their misdemeanors invisible to refs?

Please will everyone write an essay entitled ...

'The All Blacks Are An X-Parrot'

Not more than 50 words.

Yep, Ireland lost by 3 I think, but their heart had gone after that, made a few changes, and got whooped by 60 or so, but it was the last of a 3 match series, not the second game. Don't think that will be the case at all here, but clearly NZ should be better and England will make a lot of changes, which might not help.

I was out but spent most of the match listening to the radio commentary in my car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVz2pqTDg9I

radio impressions were that Ben Morgan had an IMPRESSIVE game and that both sides made a lot of mistakes.

I did see the last 8 minutes though

Congrats England...impressive stuff for a weakened side.

Thought Youngs was slow to get to rucks and generally offered little.

Care pulling out this week certainly didn't help. Used to be that Youngs looked more promising, but Care has gone streets ahead this past couple of years.

on the radio  Ian Robertson and some New Zealander, plus analysis and reaction from Mike Tindall in the studio.

Ian Robertson supported England and Owens and thought they were both great though the New Zealander frequently criticised Owens whenever a decision went against the All Blacks.

Strangely the former All Black criticised Owens for not letting the game flow while Robertson praised him for the opposite.

lancaster is pretty shrewd, he may just keep a fair number of those guys in the team if he thinks they are fit for it and up for a bit of revenge.

FTR

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-union/27746459

New Zealand 20-15 England

New Zealand 20
Try: C Smith
Pens: Cruden 5

England 15 (9)
Pens: Burns 4, Cipriani

Under-strength England pushed New Zealand all the way in the first Test before the All Blacks showed why they are world champions as Conrad Smith's last-gasp try gave them a dramatic win.



New Zealand: Dagg; B Smith, C Smith, Nonu, Jane, Cruden, A. Smith, Woodcock, Coles, O. Franks, Retallick, Whitelock, Messam, McCaw, Kaino.
Replacements: Mealamu, Crockett, Faumuina, Tuipulotu, Vito, Perenara, Barrett, Fekitoa.

England: Brown; Yarde, Tuilagi, Eastmond, May; Burns, Youngs, Marler, Webber, Wilson, Launchbury, Parling, Haskell, Robshaw, Morgan.
Replacements: Gray, Mullan, Thomas, Attwood, Johnson, Dickson, Cipriani, Pennell.

Referee: Nigel Owens (Wales)

It would be good if NZ could play like that in the Bledisloe. We might be a chance.

What price did the draw hit in running?

I laid a bit at around 3/1 can't remember if it went lower

I don't remember it going lower than that, bar for pennies, although I wasn't paying too close attention.

I can remember it being 4's to lay at one stage and took a little but it never went much lower and then blew out again.