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How do the Lions win the third test?
How do the Lions win the third test?
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2013 is a better year for the wallabies in terms of injuries. Last year they had 42 injuries. Was nearly a 2nd XV
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Kamikaze
They'll be here on Saturday if you win don't you worry. By the way I agree with your point but that is an image which the Aussie media were fundamental in perpetuating. The Lions were garlanded in your media all the way up to the first test which is the total opposite of how you usually do things. I think a big factor in that was the relative lack of English in the squad. The Aussies feel a much greater kindred spirit with out celtic brethren than the English. |
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What is it you are drinking at the moment Eternal I gotta get some!!
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Mrtopnotch
when I say 'his' I am referring to Roberts not BOD my thinking is that Roberts/Davies was Gatland's preferred first-choice partnership given form in the warm-up matches and the fact they are an established combo Roberts got injured so Davies was moved out of position to 12 and BOD came in for the first two tests Roberts in back so he comes in at 12 and Davies moves back to his usual position of 13 comprendez? |
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Roberts-Davies would've been Gatland's 1st test pick for sure.
Eternal It's the British media that have been spruiking your mob not the Australian media. UK fans are guilty of swallowing the hype. In Australia rugby is a minor sport. The British lions never rated a mention here till recently. Even now,at it's zenith,rugby is not the top story in Australian sport. It's wrong I know but that's how it is. |
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Sexton is the only player on this Lions XV who would significantly improve a full strength Welsh XV, and that is mainly because they are so weak there. And I don't think Sexton is over-performing at the moment.
Think Bowe is a significant improvement on Cuthbert too Ozy, not attack-wise, but certainly in terms of positioning and defense. |
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the stark truth is,,australia are a better side than wales,,,its only been close because australia have been playing poorly,,missed kicks in the 1st and far too many handling errors in the 2nd,,,ausssies turn up ,,thrashing on the cards
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You'd better get some 7/1 on the 12.5+ then
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no need ,,ive already got 5.9 on the series win after the welsh lions lucky 1st test win
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No need to take something at a big price that is apparently very likely to happen? There's a lesson in punting for everyone.
It's a good job that in every rugby game of all time one team has played poorly and thats the only reason the other team got a look in. Would be weird if that ever changed. |
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Kamikaze
I'm not a big reader of Aussie papers but we do get some reports here and that was my impression which was reinforced by the many positive comments by the Aussie players and coaches following the early tour matches. |
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How the fcuk is that a knock on
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Monstrous Bryan 05 Jul 13 16:22
Sexton is the only player on this Lions XV who would significantly improve a full strength Welsh XV, and that is mainly because they are so weak there. And I don't think Sexton is over-performing at the moment. Think Bowe is a significant improvement on Cuthbert too Ozy, not attack-wise, but certainly in terms of positioning and defense. Think Cuthbert is unlucky (a) to have been dropped to the bench after scoring a try in a WIN for the Lions in the 1st test and (b) to be dropped from the squad completely, after being replaced by Bowe, then watching the Lions lose the 2nd test. |
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Monstrous Bryan 05 Jul 13 16:22
Sexton is the only player on this Lions XV who would significantly improve a full strength Welsh XV, and that is mainly because they are so weak there. And I don't think Sexton is over-performing at the moment. Think Bowe is a significant improvement on Cuthbert too Ozy, not attack-wise, but certainly in terms of positioning and defense. I'd have thought one of the other nations would have a 2nd row that could come into the Welsh side and partner Alan Wyn Jones, which would improve the team. |
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MB, I agree about Bowe, certainly a better player than Cuthbert.
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Let's hope he shows this superior ability tomorrow.
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Well, on that note I would say that Youngs has definitely been better than Hibbard at hooker, which surprised me because I had Hibbard as a certain starter a few months back. Healy is better than Jenkins these days for sure, the latter well past his best. O'Connell quite clearly improves the second row. It's a bit of a pick your favourites from 9 in the back-row. Sexton clearly at 10. A few positions like 9 and 13 are the sort of things that can start arguments up and down the land.
As for Cuthbert I think it's been mentioned many times on here that he is a fantastic attacking weapon, but good grief he can look like a lost child in defence at times. I prefer Bowe for sure, although as a neutral I would go for the sheer carnage that occurs around Cuthbert - never dull. No doubt at all that Wales are the best NH team right now, but its a nonsense to think that they are completely dominant. You could turn it around and say that only 3 Welshmen are irreplaceable, 4 if you add Roberts (which maybe we should after the first 2 tests). |
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In fact it has to include Roberts. Struggling to see a Lions victory if Roberts isn't on form tomorrow.
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To be fair he did specify a player in the Lions XV who could significantly improve a full strength Welsh XV, and though I think Parling is better than Ian Evans, would not say significantly better. Would prefer to have Youngs in the team than Hibbard, but again not significantly better
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Healy is better than Jenkins these days for sure
In a fantasy world maybe. |
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Find it a bit bizarre Roberts playing is being regarded as the second coming. He's no Fofana (who probably wouldnt get a game for Gats). If he smashes it up the middle a couple of the times in the the first ten tomorrow and gets nowhere, whats the plan and will that not be hugely demoralising?
As many have mentioned arguing over the individual inclusions is pointless. The issue is the gameplan. If the gameplan were different then the debate over the positions would be valid - if you argue the gameplan is to play like Wales, then simply play the Welsh team. To me thats not what the Lions are supposed to do - its meant to reflect the attributes of the 15 best available 4 nations players. The finlay calder thing on Sky best encapsulated that - England and Scotland were the dominant teams at time, they devised a mix of their styles...they didnt simply say Scotland won the grand slam rucking so lets do that. Last point RM said Wales are clearly the best NH side at the moment. In games that matter I'd still take France every time. Wales benefit massively from their domestic situation being meaningless and everything is centred around the national side. Complete opposite to France but player for player France are better (or could be). Irrelevant to the lions clearly but in a way a lot of what Gatland has been allowed to do is based on Welsh 6N dominance that to my mind is a more to do with poor/transitional Ireland / England and unfocused France than brilliant Wales. Few of this Welsh team would make any neutrals Worlds 15 or even 23. IMO |
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As Manager of the Lions I have no problem with Gatland making whole sale changes(after all that's his prerogative as manager)
Personally I don't agree with them,but am willing to hold judgement until the final result. If the Lions win,dropping Bod will look like a stroke of Genius and forgotten in seconds after the final whistle. Like a few on here I picked up on Bods tackling stats for the 2 Tests he started against Folau who is a complete athlete and managed to shackle him as much as you can someone of his ilk. Personally I think Davies will be fully found out and have loaded up on Folau Anytime Tryscorer,and also had some of him for a Hat trick at 40/1. Live by the Sword,Die by the Sword,and that's part of being a Lions Manager is about. LIONS LIONS LIONS!!! (But I don't see smash and crash rugby having The Wallabies quaking) |
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lions play well and the aussies play poorly=aussies still go close,,,,,,,lions play poorly and the aussies play well=aussie thrashing,,,,,cant believe the hype the lions and especially the welsh are getting,,ffs wales are average..no more
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To be fair he did specify a player in the Lions XV who could significantly improve a full strength Welsh XV,
Exactly, thank you MB. |
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If the Lions win,dropping Bod will look like a stroke of Genius and forgotten in seconds after the final whistle.
Are you kidding me? The depth of feeling that this has created ensures that this will never be forgotten. |
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If the Lions win the series no way can the dropping of BOD overshadow it still.
It's all about a Lions series victory,not even the dropping of BOD should detract away from that. |
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how will they react,the irish,english and maybe a few of the welsh lads must have been shocked at such a decision ,,,,,,,,,,,,,come on aussies bash these welsh boyo's,,send the sheep sha ggers home
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stewardsenquirey 06 Jul 13 08:05
If the Lions win the series no way can the dropping of BOD overshadow it still. It's all about a Lions series victory,not even the dropping of BOD should detract away from that. Agree 100%. If Aussies win the bleating in ireland about the dropping of our hero will be unimaginable, its already close to insufferable as it is |
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really really bad decision
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JOCI Club 04 Jul 13 06:39
Must dominate the scrum, hence the powerful front row. Adam Jones needs to be able to play almost the entire match. Must gain at least parity in the linesout and not lose possession on their throws-in when in opposition territory. Avoid kicking aimlessly to their danger men. Avoid giving away penalties within kicking distance of the posts. That should do it. Must dominate the scrum, hence the powerful front row. Adam Jones needs to be able to play almost the entire match. [CHECK] Must gain at least parity in the linesout and not lose possession on their throws-in when in opposition territory. [CHECK] Avoid kicking aimlessly to their danger men. [JURY'S OUT] Avoid giving away penalties within kicking distance of the posts. [CHECK...JUST] That should do it [CHECK]  |
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State the obvious then self aggrandize after the event. [CHECK]
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Very funny!!!Sorry.
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Eeternaloptimist
Eeternaloptimist Date Joined: 28 Jun 10 Add contact | Send message 05 Jul 13 11:57 Joined: 28 Jun 10 | Topic/replies: 18,718 | Blogger: Eeternaloptimist's blog That'll do me. I don't care how they drag themselves across that finishing line. If there's one thing I don't want it's all the shiit many of the Aussies will be coming out with if they win. I suspect most of them would be happy to win ugly rather than lose gracefully as well. I've just noticed you started a gloating thread on the Aussie forum after the 1st test. |
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joci club,,you are a total wan ker
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but well done lions ,,its great to harmony and enjoyment,,may it come to all,,and u joci club,,apologies for my mong behaviour
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boyce 06 Jul 13 16:25
joci club,,you are a total wan ker Spoiled my weekend now. |
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Monstrous Bryan 06 Jul 13 14:48
State the obvious then self aggrandize after the event. [CHECK] Silly I am treating that comment with the disdain it deserves. |
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the arhcons will take care o u
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the arhcons will take care o u
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