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lustrumm
13 Dec 12 19:26
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Did my pricewise on this game Monday and put in Biarritz -6 and said I'd back them at that. Thought the result flattered Connaught the last day. When I saw bookmakers prices last night at -15 I nealry fell over. Do people not realise that Connaught are a good side now, not the whipping boys of old. Connaught +15 is one of the better bets of the year IMO and the only bet I fancy at this stage. If Munster go +6 I'll be in for that as well

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By:
RugbyMan
When: 13 Dec 12 20:25
Certainly right about Connacht being an improved side and 2 wins in this comp is no fluke. The game is more about Biarritz though - they can not play as badly as last week, it's nigh on impossible, and who knows what the sacking of coaches will do? A huge power advantage, but absolutely none of the sense or handling to capitalise.

If you like Connacht for this it may well be worth finding alternative caps, around the +8 mark, as Biarritz could well implode and Connacht are still in this comp so will break their backs for a bonus point.
By:
lustrumm
When: 13 Dec 12 20:40
Yup I'll be fishing around alright. I was a backer of Biarritz as I felt Connaught were flattered last week but this betting is priced as if it was last year. Connaught shouldn't be 15 point dogs to anyone anymore. Those days are long gone. We see them every week in the Rabo League and no one likes playing them. They are as fit as fiddles, don't tire late on anymore and with Parks revelling in the role of playmaker and place kicking they have all the pieces now except for a few injuries
By:
RugbyMan
When: 13 Dec 12 20:45
Got a few kids in the backs who run decent lines as well. Not convinced they really have the creativity, but they are at least dangerous now if it gets loose and broken.

Back at home, Harry and Yachvilli playing, Biarritz get on top and they could grind the life out of Connacht. Big ask for a team that looked in utter disarray last week though.
By:
lustrumm
When: 13 Dec 12 21:52
It's purely and simply a wrong price play. I was winding up to back Biarritz at -6 and for the life of me cannot fathom -15. Just can't get my head around it
By:
big_dunc
When: 13 Dec 12 21:56
I wouldn't be having counterfeit on Munster this weekend. Saracens' lineout in Thomond, which is a rarity and Farrell had a mare with the boot, yet they still only came away losing by 6. I can't remember Munster exerting any sustained pressure in the Saracens 22 either.

I quite like the look of Edinburgh +2 tomorrow. They had the Racing pack under all sorts of pressure last weekend, but just couldn't get over the line - a familiar tale for Scottish sides. A freezing cold Edinburgh at night, I don't think Racing will fancy it at all.
By:
RugbyMan
When: 13 Dec 12 21:57
Good luck with it. Not a game I am keen to watch (I'm still recovering from watching some of the reverse fixture) so will take the opportunity to have a Friday off. I think I might take a flyer on a bigger price and check in later.
By:
RugbyMan
When: 13 Dec 12 21:59
I thought both Munster and Sarries were hugely disappointing in attack, maybe for slightly different reasons. Home advantage enough for Munster and I would be in no way surprised if the same happened again. Could easily be the 2nd example of two equal teams cancelling each other out (after Leinster and Clermont).
By:
big_dunc
When: 13 Dec 12 22:08
Yes, Edinburgh off scratch probably is a better shout as it's not like a losing BP means anything to them here.
By:
Monstrous Bryan
When: 13 Dec 12 22:43
Waiting to see the teams, but I reckon Treviso +10.5 might be the bet. Even the outright may be tempting. They were excellent second hlf against Leicester once they started emptying the bench.
By:
MCKENNA
When: 13 Dec 12 22:44
Wouldnt have a shilling on Edinburgh lads, they seem to have made wholesale changes and a lot of their 1st choicers aren't involved.  The way they are playing recently couldn't give you any confidence.

Racing still well in touch in the group and a win tomorrow will give them every chance going into the last 2 games, especially if Munster beat Saracens.  Hernandez doesn't start but their bench does look fairly strong. Gotta be the call at -1 or -2.

On the Connaught game, I agree with OP - +15 or +16 on the Westies is great value, even with Hairy Donkey starting at 8 for Btz.  The game Biarritz play will never destroy teams so I think Parks will keep them pinned back and keep them well in touch with pens.  If its close after 60 mins, you could see Connaught sneaking it.  Wonder what will Blanco then do with the new boys in charge?
By:
Monstrous Bryan
When: 13 Dec 12 23:14
lustrumm, Mckenna, worth noting that Leighton Hodges has the Biarritz game, guaranteed to be worth a few points to the home team
By:
big_dunc
When: 13 Dec 12 23:25
Agree with you on the Treviso shout, MB. I think Treviso are constantly underrated and are capable of giving any side a game at home. They almost turned over Leicester the year before last (were leading with 2 or 3 mins to play) and they only gave way to Toulouse in the last 20 mins or so of this year's comp.

Ulster -11 is the only one I've actually pulled the trigger on so far. I don't think there was anything fluky about that win last weekend. They were happy to let Northampton have the ball in the second half and just hold onto what they had, but at home I think they'll be much more inclined to keep the foot on the gas. They stuffed Leicester at home last year and I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar outcome on Saturday. Muller being out is a bit of a balls, but Hartley's absence more than makes up for it. I know he's a headcase, but it doesn't change the fact that Northampton's performances go up a notch or two when he's on the pitch and it will also weaken their scrum which already looked under pressure last weekend.
By:
northanlite
When: 13 Dec 12 23:35
underestimating munster no matter how they have just played or where they are playing next has been the road to the poor house.
in the last few weeks, including the workmanlike performance last weekend, they are starting to impress. with the first choice players available they seem to have a number of ways to play, most of which result in a win
By:
big_dunc
When: 13 Dec 12 23:43
underestimating munster no matter how they have just played or where they are playing next has been the road to the poor house.

Couldn't agree more with you there and it's the reason why I didn't pull the trigger on Sarries -3 earlier in the week. As much as I can't be backing Munster with any confidence, I'm not too keen on opposing them either.

I was just disappointed by them last weekend though. Coughlan and Downey punch plenty of holes, but there doesn't seem to be anyone with a bit of craft to take advantage on the follow up. Earls looked like getting through on the outside with a few half breaks, but most attacks ended up just petering out. Credit has to go to Saracens for their defensive organisation. I don't see their lineout going as badly again at home and can see them grinding out another victory.
By:
northanlite
When: 14 Dec 12 00:01
as has been mentioned treviso very possibly being underestimated, as per usual.
By:
benny_ROBS_roy
When: 14 Dec 12 02:17
im happy with my 1.07 lay on leicester
By:
lustrumm
When: 14 Dec 12 11:58
Munster will over perform this weekend and are doughty. I see a close loss and a drab drab game. no tryscorer again worth a tickle. Too much tradition in Munster and again I'll say it Saracens do not have the Heineken cup killing mentality yet.
By:
RugbyMan
When: 14 Dec 12 14:54
I'm not at all sure that's been true about Munster in the past few seasons, in fact the exact opposite could be the case. They were beaten at home by Ulster last season, lost to London Irish the season before and failed to make it to the QFs, and were well beaten at home by Harlequins in the Amlin cup that same season.

I think they are on the up, but any belief that this is the same Munster team as 5+ years ago is completely misjudged.

(although technically underestimating anyone is of course the road to the poor house)
By:
big_dunc
When: 14 Dec 12 15:37
I think Sarries look like they might have the mentality now to get it done in Europe. They went to Munster happy to come away with a losing BP and got it. I fancy they'll back themselves to beat anyone at home and are clearly targetting the Racing game as an easier victory.

RM's point about this Munster side is every bit as pertinent as the points about opposing them. There's no way in hell the Munster team of even three years ago would have lost that game away to Racing that this season's side lost. Munster look vulnerable to me.
By:
RugbyMan
When: 14 Dec 12 15:39
I forgot to even put that game in! For all the people that have knocked Peter Stringer, in his decade or so at Munster I don't think he ever did anything as thick as Murray did against Metro this year. Difference between winning and losing right there.
By:
northanlite
When: 14 Dec 12 16:58
i notice connacht gave away 11 pens last week. if they do similar tonight then with yachvili likely to be less profligate than last week & biarritz likely to have better possession & territory (one would think) then he could kick conn right out of it.
By:
RugbyMan
When: 14 Dec 12 17:04
I think they had a couple binned as well. The trouble for Biarritz may well be the weather which does not look very nice. And the fact that their passing is utterly atrocious.
By:
northanlite
When: 14 Dec 12 17:08
the passing simply cannot be that bad again (can it). if i found out a few of the french players had put a few quid on connacht then at least that would explain it
By:
northanlite
When: 14 Dec 12 17:13
and yes, conn did have two players given yellow cards.
By:
MCKENNA
When: 14 Dec 12 19:15
Pouring rain all day down in the South of France, puddles on the pitch, so looks like unders is the call in this one.  The +16 is also a good bet. Good luck lads, here we go!!
By:
northanlite
When: 14 Dec 12 19:20
any idea if it is windy too? i was thinking the +16 looked too big but then i also have an image of yachvili kicking about half a dozen penalty goals their forwards grinding out a try and biarritz winning something like 25 - 06.
i think i might leave tonights games alone.
By:
Rhino-2k8
When: 14 Dec 12 19:31
Red Card @ 21.00
By:
RugbyMan
When: 14 Dec 12 19:36
That really is a terrible mess of a pitch and it's still pouring down. Connacht should just hoof the thing at the Biarritz back-three all night and wait for the inevitable blunders.
By:
MCKENNA
When: 14 Dec 12 19:38
Don't think its blowing too hard going on the weather sites, although being a seaside town, they always get wind down there.
By:
northanlite
When: 14 Dec 12 19:39
well connacht certainly have the man for that job RM. He's no too good at much else but in poor weather he can be a match winner (to be fair he played very well last week & not just his kicking)
By:
Steveirll
When: 14 Dec 12 19:40
GAME WONT FINISH, PITCH IS WATER LOGGED
By:
TheVis
When: 14 Dec 12 19:41
Yachvilli will be lucky to get any footing for kicking any pens Laugh
By:
northanlite
When: 14 Dec 12 19:41
is it really that bad???
By:
TheVis
When: 14 Dec 12 19:44
They have the usual three lads with plank of wood broom desperately trying to get some of the water off the pitch but the main issue will be it is still raining
By:
RugbyMan
When: 14 Dec 12 19:45
Shocking pitch but if it gets started then it would be ludicrous not to finish. I've played on worse than that before.
By:
Steveirll
When: 14 Dec 12 19:48
crazy if they start this game
By:
Steveirll
When: 14 Dec 12 19:49
are sweeping the rain off the pitch with yard brushes
By:
RugbyMan
When: 14 Dec 12 19:49
Looks nearly as bad as that Bath 3-3 Toulouse game a few years back.
By:
RugbyMan
When: 14 Dec 12 19:51
Amazing the cap hasn't come in further. Biarritz are going to have to go some to beat a 15pt cap in this.
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