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By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 09 Jun 12 17:18
Flag out linesman.

Farrell to the bin
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 09 Jun 12 17:18
his own player rugbyman
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 09 Jun 12 17:18
fair play handbags.
By:
furrelli
When: 09 Jun 12 17:19
walsh aint gonna card anyone, lets them get on w it.
By:
RugbyMan
When: 09 Jun 12 17:19
Nah, he hoofed it at England players. If his aim is crap thats his own fault.

2 over-excitable children I think.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 09 Jun 12 17:19
Pienaar finally.
By:
RugbyMan
When: 09 Jun 12 17:20
Would love to see England get a result here, but I think backing SA on the cap earlier was the right thing to do. Look well on top.
By:
curious-cat
When: 09 Jun 12 17:20
Yeah  Yeah  Alain.

It's a game of rugby says Steve Walsh Laugh
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 09 Jun 12 17:21
Bismark must have carried double figures at this stage. Great stuff
By:
big_dunc
When: 09 Jun 12 17:22
I went into this on England +7.5 but am well and truly on SA now. England haven't been out of their half in this 18 mins and have Flood defending the 12 channel where Barritt was.
By:
RugbyMan
When: 09 Jun 12 17:23
Pitch is cutting up a bit. In England's half that is.......
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 09 Jun 12 17:24
Jesus South Africa are just in supercharged now.

Steyn is playing great at 12...making yards with ease
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 09 Jun 12 17:24
pathetic tackle by Brown. Embarresment
By:
furrelli
When: 09 Jun 12 17:25
think the long cap might well come in now, legs have gone, subs now
By:
Kriskin
When: 09 Jun 12 17:29
Boks need tp change theri kicker.  Pinear much better than Steyn
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 09 Jun 12 17:29
South Africa gone to sleep!
By:
bigmickey
When: 09 Jun 12 17:30
66' 16-12
By:
bigmickey
When: 09 Jun 12 17:30
yes gone to sleep
By:
Kriskin
When: 09 Jun 12 17:30
Boks once again switch off in a game.  England still very much in this
By:
RugbyMan
When: 09 Jun 12 17:30
Bugger. 4pts a bit of a nuisance to me. Need more scores now
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 09 Jun 12 17:33
Its almost scary on will how South Africa can just make ground with ease with a scrum half that knows what he is about.
By:
Kriskin
When: 09 Jun 12 17:33
Boks now take the 3 when only 4 ahead.  They were 5 ahead earlier and refuded to take the easy 3.  U couldn't make it up
By:
bigmickey
When: 09 Jun 12 17:33
19-12
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 09 Jun 12 17:36
England Green!!!
By:
furrelli
When: 09 Jun 12 17:36
youngs idiot! kick for touch on the peno & get a lineout on/about boks 22 ffs quick penalty from there is plain stoooopid
By:
bigmickey
When: 09 Jun 12 17:39
v good performance overall Eng
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 09 Jun 12 17:39
Man of the Match surely is

Alberts
By:
RugbyMan
When: 09 Jun 12 17:40
Cant argue with that. Tough man to stop.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 09 Jun 12 17:41
There you go.

Brutally efficently Scrum there...
By:
RugbyMan
When: 09 Jun 12 17:43
Shame for England as I think they have performed well, but SA second half power has just been a bit too much for this young team. Certainly not disgraced though.
By:
bigmickey
When: 09 Jun 12 17:44
78' 22-12
By:
RugbyMan
When: 09 Jun 12 17:47
Sums up my weekend if that's a try. Getting done on a 80th minute try for the 3rd time in two days Cry
By:
RugbyMan
When: 09 Jun 12 17:48
What a kick in the nuts.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 09 Jun 12 17:48
Not seeing really how England beat South Africa next week.

SA should improve massively as they were pretty average first half.

England played well but serious lack of power in the tight over 80 mins.
By:
bigmickey
When: 09 Jun 12 17:48
FT 22-17
By:
furrelli
When: 09 Jun 12 17:49
& theres the cap in for the faithfull
By:
Kriskin
When: 09 Jun 12 17:50
-7.5 Handicap done with last play of the game.  U couldn't make it up.  That refusal of 3 points when leading by 5 cost backers
By:
Ozymandius
When: 10 Jun 12 18:06
Jaysus the English boys took some punishment in that second half.  Great heart to stand up to it and conceed so few tries. 

Both nations approach the game in a similar way.  Strong set piece, kicking game and power.  No real imagination or creativity but huge commitment.  Boks comfortably the better team but their style makes pulling ahead on the scoreboard a real chore.

If England can stand up to the punishment for two more games and keep the score respectable it will be a fine achievement.
By:
RugbyMan
When: 10 Jun 12 21:20
SA don't want to play too complex a game because they don't really have the players (Pietersen playing at 13, and Habana, in super15 suggests a lack in midfield), but at the same time they can name a XV of absolutely huge body-mass. There have been worse times to play SA, with 4th and 5th choice locks for example, but Ezebeth is likely to be a superstar and Kruger is a class act. That second half was brutal, albeit a little bit self inflicted by England.

I thought England did quite well and showed exactly where they are currently. i.e. more organised and with more overall quality than they have had for many years, but still lacking that timing and cohesion on attack. What frustrates me is that 1 game into a tough, tough tour and Dewi Morris and Stuart Barnes are already on about wholesale backline changes. True, the 10, 12, 13 axis didn't create much, but they are defensively very strong and to become effective at this level you either need to be absurdly talented and hit the ground running or you need time together to bed in and learn the moves and how defences react. Still a relatively new head coach and a brand new backs coach - lets give them a chance eh?

Farrell is 20, Barritt 25, Tuilagi 21. There's a lot of time left for those 3 to grow as a trio, but one game in and the pundits are bashing on about Flood and Joseph. I like the look of Joseph a lot, but he is 21 as well and hasn't done anything truly outstanding as yet, while Flood has had endless chances and consistently looks ok, and nothing more. Farrell certainly needs to control the game better, but he was above average in the six-nations and at 20 is learning fast. I don't see how messing around with him, dropping and re-instating, is any sort of positive option.

Alas, with Barritt out for the 2nd test I think it's going to have to be Flood, which probably means Farrell shifted to 12. Joseph could really be given a chance on the wing as Ashton's commitment and concentration is still dubious. Personally I would rather see Farrell, Allen, Tuilagi as Allen has been much better for Leicester than Flood this season and it's less messing around with positions. If you want to play with precision then don't make your 10 move to 12 half way through the tour.

I don't think Tom Johnson is ever going to be the answer at 6, but then England have Wood, Croft and Haskell anyway when they can stay fit. Morgan needs to work harder in training, but Robshaw gets more impressive with every game he plays. Massive shame that Armitage remains out of the picture though as he has been maybe the best 7 in the top14. And Marler's debut was not fantastic, but I have seen many, many worse props playing international rugby and I think he has a big future.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 11 Jun 12 00:07
Too much which initialy appeared relatively innocuous was allowed to be let go in that game. Habana is far too fast to be allowed to run from two sometimes three yards in front of the kicker when that is the game plan from the off and on more than one occasion the receiver was taken before he hit the ground. England need to stop aimlessly giving the balla back to them with loose kicks. By all means kick to put your opponent under pressure but some of the kicking was bizarre and immediately put an already under the cosh side further into trouble in that second half.

Agree about Marler. He struggled but they struggled more when he went off. We need some stronger men in that second row. Neither Botha nor Parling have the phsyciality though Botha ia at least a workhorse.
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