Feb 27, 2026 -- 10:34AM, dustybin wrote:
The sooner the islamo-faction go it alone the better, atm they are taking hostages who are simply propping up their international manifesto.Anyone who voted Green on the premise they think they have morals to keep them warm, have absolutely nothing other than those it seems.
Which is what happened in Tower Hamlets. Piggybacked onto Labour initially, then once they had the numbers, off they went out on their own. Has anyone translated the leaflets that were in Urdu, into English? And was it the only election leaflet those voters could actually read?
And now the allegations about vote fixing. Of course the ever so polite media can't, or won't, offer any detail. Was the family voting, younger family members trying to show older, non English members where to put their X, or was it men telling their women where to so? For the life of me I just cannot see it being the women showing the men.
Feb 27, 2026 -- 10:30AM, Cider wrote:
What's your take, PP?
I think Labour did a fair bit better than what I'd have said a couple of weeks ago.
Reform picked an awful candidate.
Greens mostly won as a protest/keep Reform out vote, but were helped by having a very likeable local candidate who understood local issues.
I'd have expected Advance (was it?) to have done a bit better than they did.
Tories - oh dear.
Feb 27, 2026 -- 12:08PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:
Feb 27, 2026 -- 10:30AM, Cider wrote:What's your take, PP?I think Labour did a fair bit better than what I'd have said a couple of weeks ago. Reform picked an awful candidate.Greens mostly won as a protest/keep Reform out vote, but were helped by having a very likeable local candidate who understood local issues.I'd have expected Advance (was it?) to have done a bit better than they did.Tories - oh dear.
The other day you were expecting Labour to do very well.
I'm surprised you don't think it turned on the sectarian vote.
You're entitled to your own interpretation (obviously!) but on the data, many Labour votes swung to Reform from the last general election. I don't think the personalities are pivotal, it's about the parties 95% of the time. Certainly this by election. And this is pretty much the ceiling for Reform in a seat historically very left wing with a huge Pakistani population. For now that's the exception rather than the norm in the UK.
On Sky's analysis they said it was 55K potential voters in Gorton and 26K in Denton. With Gorton massively muslim.
This is factual from Sky, I'm assuming. I've got to be honest I thought that it was circa 50/50 split across the two regions, I was unaware it was more than 2/3 Gorton. Bit of a miss on my part.
Before the event they were saying 30% of the 75,000 potential voters were muslim.
Which is it?

Feb 27, 2026 -- 12:54PM, Cider wrote:
Feb 27, 2026 -- 12:08PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:Feb 27, 2026 -- 10:30AM, Cider wrote:What's your take, PP?I think Labour did a fair bit better than what I'd have said a couple of weeks ago. Reform picked an awful candidate.Greens mostly won as a protest/keep Reform out vote, but were helped by having a very likeable local candidate who understood local issues.I'd have expected Advance (was it?) to have done a bit better than they did.Tories - oh dear.The other day you were expecting Labour to do very well. I'm surprised you don't think it turned on the sectarian vote. You're entitled to your own interpretation (obviously!) but on the data, many Labour votes swung to Reform from the last general election. I don't think the personalities are pivotal, it's about the parties 95% of the time. Certainly this by election. And this is pretty much the ceiling for Reform in a seat historically very left wing with a huge Pakistani population. For now that's the exception rather than the norm in the UK.
That's why I said a couple of weeks ago re Labour. Starmer turning up indicated they had some hope.
And I'm on record from weeks before the vote on why I thought the Greens should be odds on for it. Genuinely one of the easiest betting heats I've been involved in.
They wouldn't have done either of those things if they thought they were dead ducks.
Deluded till the end.
Feb 27, 2026 -- 4:44PM, SirNorbertClarke wrote:
Excuses are for losers.
Illegal voting is illegal voting.
Either you think the independent observers are lying, or you don't care when it's for a party that you don't mind benefiting from. That mindset is ubiquitous now, anything is on the table as long as it's not impinging on what you want. Cancel elections, yeah well whatever.
Illegal voting is illegal voting
Cider, are you saying this illegal voting took place thousands of times yesterday?
I suppose you believe in fairies as well.
https://x.com/FFS_WhatNow/status/2037966456340578791
How can anyone take these people seriously?
Yeah, because one of the primary things to look for in deciding who is best to run the country is "Can They Rap?"
Good call bro