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Now, I read that he started at the Racing Post in 1996 when I imagine Winstanley or Taylor were PriceWise.
For sure Segal had become PriceWise by the early noughties when I started to make money backing his tips blind. In those days, bookmakers on Saturday morning would honour the prices they advertised on Friday night. It was suicide for them. But Segal has stuck with the format and keeps delivering, year in, year out. That is why I think he is better than Hugh Taylor.
What makes him different to other tipsters: Segal has no hiding place, he has to price up the television races. Most of us on a bad streak would take pause, he cannot do that.
And he always delivers. Temperament.
maybe Segal wasn't bonkers and he knew everybody now knew the draw massive but now was over factored into price, hence pricewise, personally I would rather have good draw than bad draw no matter price.
I'm sure Winstanley was top speed rather than pricewise.
As I recall Henry Rix occupied the Pricewise column prior to TS. Famously led what turned into a hugely successful public gamble on Pasternak in the 1997 Cambridgeshire. What a day that was.
Nov 8, 2025 -- 7:55PM, MALAY wrote:
collier it was sorry, there was a good article he wrote on secrets of pricewise, but there was other good people at that time, morden was looking at speed figure, potts wrote a good book against the crowd,maybe Segal wasn't bonkers and he knew everybody now knew the draw massive but now was over factored into price, hence pricewise, personally I would rather have good draw than bad draw no matter price.I'm sure Winstanley was top speed rather than pricewise.
Hazy recollection at best but Mark Winstanley was definitely PriceWise c 1995. His byline pic made him look like Billy Bunter even thirty years back but his columns always made you chuckle. Like almost every PriceWise tipster, bar Tom Segal, Winstanley had a premium rate line.
What makes Segal unique is his consistency over decades. To keep ahead of the bookies for that long, you have to adapt your style and Segal has adapted better than anyone to keep one step ahead.
trying to remember top speed guys name, i've texted somebody he will know, in fact while posting i've remembered James Willoughby
Nov 8, 2025 -- 8:46PM, DixieDean60 wrote:
UB - if you are going to call someone the best tipster ever then you have to give some stats to back that claim up surely ?
Difficult to quantify after bookies stopped honouring their prices. But before you can get on layers customarily knock 25% off the price of a Segal tip.
You cannot realistically claim somebody is the best ever without the figures to prove it.
Indeed :p
putting up his tips for everyone to back , just after he has backed them himself .....
How come he can still get on ? Paddy blocked me after PUTTHEKETTLEON
How come he doesn't just back them himself and not let anyone know
Why tell the world , when he is so successful....he must be Woke or Loony Left
Highly fictitious and improbable scenario.
Henry Rix did the Betting Bureau column in the Post.
Nov 8, 2025 -- 9:04PM, DixieDean60 wrote:
Surely the RP (or someone) must keep an advised prices log (maybe along with an SP only log for comparison) otherwise how can you calculate any P/L ?You cannot realistically claim somebody is the best ever without the figures to prove it.
Sorry this link from my favourite newspaper is not quite up-to-the-minute but it does show the deep impact he has had on the betting game; reproduced here for the bits where Tom shares his approach. It is his unflappable nature that has enabled his unique longevity in the hot-seat, I think.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2005/sep/09/horseracing.gambling
I'll put it like this: +/- is hard to pin down because the price is volatile: if the price was guaranteed, we know Tom Segal would still be raping the layers.
A lifetime interest leads me to the claim that the current PW is the best tipster ever. Some cooks need a stopwatch and a temperature prong, the masters magic better dishes from instinct.
Tom Segal is such a magician imo.
you would not advertise it
you would not advertise it
What has that impossible fantasy to do with betting? There would be no betting.
It's quite simple to have a log of P/L to advertised prices as well as SP. that is the only way you can gauge how good a tipster is, not some pie in the sky perception of their merits . I've no issue with Tom Segal, he is a decent tipster but the best ever ? ! You need facts before you can claim that.
to collate it as to who is best tipster.
Obviously a good tipster in racing post with a large
readership is going to move markets, and bookies had to
take action limiting steaks on his selections.
There's been a few good golf tipsters too,, and prices
were routinely chopped so impossible to get on
Steve Palmer certainly shifted markets.
Keith Elliott possibly daddy of golf betting and sadly
clued up a lot of mug bookies about golf betting.
Love them to show us their tickets or copies of all their bets.
Dont go there FFS
